Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates

[Sam 76]

Yes there has and I’m led to believe we may see a few short term changes to 777 running over the coming days to fix these software issues.

Well at least there is a cause. It seemed pretty drastic given how much better it had been. Hopefully they get it right this time

 

[Wezz]

From tomorrow all 777's will be pulled from the Kirkby line until further notice due to the number of faults, Kirkby services will be formed of 507/508's once again.
x3 777's will remain in service on the Ormskirk line.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

all 777's have been pulled from the Kirkby line until further notice due to the number of faults, Kirkby services will be formed of 507/508's once again.
x3 777's will remain in service on the Ormskirk line.

Why are they remaining on Ormskirk but not Kirkby, is it something with the Kirkby line that's problematic?

 

[Wezz]

Why are they remaining on Ormskirk but not Kirkby, is it something with the Kirkby line that's problematic?

Just halving the number of units in service whilst stadler figure out what's causing the PIS issues, that way we have backup units when they decide to throw a tantrum.

 

[Sam 76]

Just halving the number of units in service whilst stadler figure out what's causing the PIS issues, that way we have backup units when they decide to throw a tantrum.

That’s such a shame hopefully it’s not for long. Keeping them on the line that’s furthest from the the depot is a odd decision as well

 

[karlbbb]

Just halving the number of units in service whilst stadler figure out what's causing the PIS issues, that way we have backup units when they decide to throw a tantrum.

Seemed like 2 out of 3 had issues this morning. 15 minute delay on the 0704 from OMS to LVC due to "technical issues" which then terminated at Sandhills to make up time. The unit behind (which I was on) seemed fine but was 5 minutes behind, and also had to pick up everyone from the first unit at Sandhills. The other unit went past in the other direction and all outer destination boards had "NOT IN SERVICE".

Not a great look that it's taking to long to get to the bottom of these software issues.

 

[prod_pep]

My source reports 777001 has just failed (again!) at Sandhills, Ormskirk-bound. This unit is a particular rolling disaster.

 

[LPJOHN]

My source reports 777001 has just failed (again!) at Sandhills, Ormskirk-bound. This unit is a particular rolling disaster.

777 001 formed the 16:46 to Ormskirk.

I wonder what these cables are for? I assume they temporary, they look like network cables and maybe coaxial or fibre.

Was Sunday the first Sunday that the 777 ran on the Ormskirk line, does anyone know?

 

[Sam 76]

777 001 formed the 16:46 to Ormskirk.

I wonder what these cables are for? I assume they temporary, they look like network cables and maybe coaxial or fibre.

Was Sunday the first Sunday that the 777 ran on the Ormskirk line, does anyone know?

Just a guess have they got the computers hooked up so they can see everything in real time leading up to faults ?

 

[Skie]

I wonder what these cables are for? I assume they temporary, they look like network cables and maybe coaxial or fibre.

Looks like an antenna and coax cable (blue) and a network cable. Could be to monitor the signal strength of the trackside wireless network.

 

[ainsworth74]

Apologies if this has been covered, I've had a glance through but there's a lot of posts here! But two quick questions 1) Are the 777s running many (if any) services on Sunday's yet and 2) If one does want to find them is it just the Ormskirk and Kirkby lines where they can be found (and is it both on Sunday, assuming they run)?

Many thanks

 

[pokemonsuper9]

If one does want to find them is it just the Ormskirk and Kirkby lines where they can be found

So far they have been the only lines to have it run on, but as post #4893 says (quoted below) currently there's no 777s on the Kirkby line.

From tomorrow all 777's will be pulled from the Kirkby line until further notice due to the number of faults, Kirkby services will be formed of 507/508's once again.
x3 777's will remain in service on the Ormskirk line.

Not really sure about Sunday diagrams.

 

[ainsworth74]

So far they have been the only lines to have it run on, but as post #4893 says (quoted below) currently there's no 777s on the Kirkby line.

Ah I skimmed a bit too quickly, thanks.

 

[Sam 76]

Work continues at Southport for the platform extension and 8 car running. The new gate line though not yet in use is in place and the old one removed

 

[L401CJF]

777008 and 777009 both failures today. 777008 returned to depot with 507032 coming out to replace it. PIS faults both times again.

 

[315801]

Is it not recognising where any particular unit is at and is consequently failing as a result ?

 

[Bertie the bus]

777008 and 777009 both failures today. 777008 returned to depot with 507032 coming out to replace it. PIS faults both times again.

So much for withdrawing 777s from Kirkby services so they have enough spare units to replace like for like when they fail.

 

[LPJOHN]

So much for withdrawing 777s from Kirkby services so they have enough spare units to replace like for like when they fail.

On the Kirkby line today:

777 001
777 013
507 001

 

[py_megapixel]

I have to wonder why anyone thought it was a good idea to configure a fleet of trains in such a way that they can't run in service if the PIS isn't working. Faulty PIS isn't exactly rare on the network at large.

 

[MTN 24J]

Evening all, new to the forums and find it very interesting to read..

My main Q is, what issue is the PIS having, and why is it required for the train to run?

My trip from Liv Central > Kirkby got ended at Sandhills around 1700hrs, which was a bit of a pain.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Welcome to the forums!

My main Q is, what issue is the PIS having, and why is it required for the train to run?

For why it's required:

The PIS is now linked to a whole host of things, including the CCTV, the 'panel' that guards tap back on and weirdly part of the fire system (the logic was if smoke was detected the announcements would automatically be linked so they can tell passengers to move out of the affected area).

So I'm guessing some of the PIS faults are affecting the guards ability to tap back on the train (therefore can't dispatch) and the fire system (therefore probably not safe to run if the alarms won't work) so the trains have to be pulled out of service until the faults are rectified.

 

[D821]

Evening all, new to the forums and find it very interesting to read..

My main Q is, what issue is the PIS having, and why is it required for the train to run?

My trip from Liv Central > Kirkby got ended at Sandhills around 1700hrs, which was a bit of a pain.

I think someone on here, a few pages back, suggested the PIS was classed as part of the safety system on the train so a fault with it would lead to withdrawal of the unit.

 

[Sam 76]

On the Kirkby line today:

777 001
777 013
507 001

Have they been out all day or have they been sent out later on? Was under the impression there wasn’t any but did see 507001

 

[MTN 24J]

Welcome to the forums!

For why it's required:

Ah amazing thank you. Here's hoping Stadler get it sorted soon, but I do prefer the comfort, and opening windows of the 507/508's!

 

[Wezz]

Apologies if this has been covered, I've had a glance through but there's a lot of posts here! But two quick questions 1) Are the 777s running many (if any) services on Sunday's yet and 2) If one does want to find them is it just the Ormskirk and Kirkby lines where they can be found (and is it both on Sunday, assuming they run)?

Many thanks

We have a few running on the Ormskirk Line on Sundays.

 

[Parjon]

The PIS is now linked to a whole host of things, including the CCTV, the 'panel' that guards tap back on and weirdly part of the fire system (the logic was if smoke was detected the announcements would automatically be linked so they can tell passengers to move out of the affected area).

So I'm guessing some of the PIS faults are affecting the guards ability to tap back on the train (therefore can't dispatch) and the fire system (therefore probably not safe to run if the alarms won't work) so the trains have to be pulled out of service until the faults are rectified.

So in other words these faults are likely the result of the late change in spec from driver controlled doors to modify for the ability for guards to tell the driver to close the doors.

This would make sense. Retrofitting and modifying hardware controlling software to integrate different features is always going to be problematic.

It would also explain why this wasn't a problem in testing (albeit perhaps the testing wasn't full enough).

 

[ainsworth74]

We have a few running on the Ormskirk Line on Sundays.

Thanks

 

[52290]

I have to wonder why anyone thought it was a good idea to configure a fleet of trains in such a way that they can't run in service if the PIS isn't working. Faulty PIS isn't exactly rare on the network at large.

Someone's taking the PIS!

 

[Sam 76]

The 777 problems seem to be knocking on to services now. Two ormskirk services normally 6 cars 3 this evening

 

[OutdoorM]

The arrogance of Steve Rotherham, the Labour Metro Mayor. He has simply dismissed peoples concerns / complaints withe the 777's as first world problems.

See linked report from liverpool echo where Mayor dismisses publics complaints re new trains as first World problems

Metro Mayor says new train complaints are 'first world problems'

Steve Rotheram responded after passengers said seats on the new trains were too hard

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk