Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates

[Bikeman78]

Yes - the delays will be measure against the percentage of services which ran.

Which is of no benefit to the passenger. A cancelled train cannot possibly arrive on time, nor can the passengers who intended to travel on it. I got to see Merseyrail in all its glory at Hooton the other day when they cancelled two consecutive Chester trains. I shall be glad when the 507s are finished as I won't have to go near the 777s or the routes they run on any more.

 

[Bertie the bus]

Yes - the delays will be measure against the percentage of services which ran.

If that is true then that makes those figures misleading at best and dishonest at worst.

 

[DelW]

It's not an unreasonable statement.

ORR stats say Merseyrail had 25,500,000 journeys made for the year 2022-2023, Wiki says the 2021 population of the Merseyside area is 1,423,065.

If you assume a "regular user" to be using the network only 3 days a week (6 journeys x 260 working days), that makes 1560 journeys a year.

Divide the total journeys by this number gives you 16,342 (rounded up) "regular users" even if you asssume no other journeys are made.

This works out as 1.15% of the population of Merseyside. Even if you classed a regular user as only making a return journey every week it only goes up to 18%.

That calculation (in bold) seems to require the regular user to make 10 journeys per day on those 3 days per week. Surely it should be 6 journeys x 48 (ish) working  weeks making 288 journeys per year? That gives 88,512 users or around 6.2% of the population.

It's still not a lot, and your final calculation is unaffected, but it's not quite as bad!

 

[irish_rail]

Which is of no benefit to the passenger. A cancelled train cannot possibly arrive on time, nor can the passengers who intended to travel on it. I got to see Merseyrail in all its glory at Hooton the other day when they cancelled two consecutive Chester trains. I shall be glad when the 507s are finished as I won't have to go near the 777s or the routes they run on any more.

Indeed, Merseyrail is a very sad shadow of its former self. From an operation others looked on at enviously, to the shambles it now is. And those 777s, even if they where running well are really nasty inside. Listening to a conversation recently, it seems "normals" aren't overly fond of the new trains. I also witnessed a rather heartbreaking call from a guy who was apologising for being late for an interview (a 777 had failed and we had been turfed off, the following 777 was also very late).

 

[twpsaesneg]

That calculation (in bold) seems to require the regular user to make 10 journeys per day on those 3 days per week. Surely it should be 6 journeys x 48 (ish) working  weeks making 288 journeys per year? That gives 88,512 users or around 6.2% of the population.

It's still not a lot, and your final calculation is unaffected, but it's not quite as bad!

Indeed, it should have been 48 weeks.

As you say, not as bad but still in the realms of "small" I would say, especially when considering that it doesn't take into account *any* other use of the system.

 

[karlbbb]

Realtime Trains | 6Q80 2053 Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs to Kirkdale C.S. | 25/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 6Q80 2053 departure from Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs to Kirkdale C.S. on 25/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Is the 777 move being late expected or could it possibly be cancelled again?

 

[The_Train]

777022 reportedly entered service today

 

[ExRes]

Realtime Trains | 6Q80 2053 Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs to Kirkdale C.S. | 25/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 6Q80 2053 departure from Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs to Kirkdale C.S. on 25/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Is the 777 move being late expected or could it possibly be cancelled again?

There's a VST schedule showing for tomorrow, 0645 6Z81 Walton Old Jct MSC Sdgs to Wembley Recps 1-7, perhaps that means there is no room at Kirkdale and the units are staying at Walton? the power cars are also scheduled to return to Kings Norton after dropping the barrier array

 

[urbophile]

At least three 777s running on the Hunts Cross line today.

 

[childwallblues]

777022 reportedly entered service today

Excellent news thank you.

 

[Bow Fell]

Any comment on the 100% reliability of the 777/1 battery units for the past 2 (nearly 3) days. No?! Oh well.

Don’t get me wrong it should be the norm, rather than exception of course.

 

[Bertie the bus]

Any comment on the 100% reliability of the 777/1 battery units for the past 2 (nearly 3) days. No?! Oh well.

Don’t get me wrong it should be the norm, rather than exception of course.

The service not collapsing in a heap for a couple of days is unworthy of comment. Let me know when it gets to 2 months and I'll pop the Champagne.

 

[Sam 76]

Any comment on the 100% reliability of the 777/1 battery units for the past 2 (nearly 3) days. No?! Oh well.

Don’t get me wrong it should be the norm, rather than exception of course.

That is significant progress I must say. Potentially hopeful too. They have new announcements so possible software has been updated as well. We can only hope

 

[lrailadventure]

Any comment on the 100% reliability of the 777/1 battery units for the past 2 (nearly 3) days. No?! Oh well.

Don’t get me wrong it should be the norm, rather than exception of course.

There were cancellations due to a fault yesterday at 9am on the Headbolt Lane line, so no.. not 2 nearly 3 days. They've managed today without any faults from what I can tell though.

From Merseyrail on X at 9:46am 25th Jan:

⚠️ Latest Service Updates

ℹ️ Due to a train fault, some services have been altered.

https://twitter.com/merseyrail/status/1750455114223989187?t=uBBfwtahJk7UvA4-SrJKcw&s=19

 

[Bow Fell]

It wasn’t a train fault.

 

[Northerngirl]

Any comment on the 100% reliability of the 777/1 battery units for the past 2 (nearly 3) days. No?! Oh well.

Don’t get me wrong it should be the norm, rather than exception of course.

Don't try to be positive here, it's just becoming a echo chamber

 

[Bertie the bus]

At least 5 Class 777s failed today resulting in cancellations including the first service off Ellesmere Port which didn't even make it off the depot and the second service off Ellesmere Port which managed to get all the way to the next station before failing.

If you want to be positive about the 777/1's not failing for 2 days, when there are only 3 in service anyway and they have 7 to pick from, then go ahead.

 

[Bikeman78]

At least 5 Class 777s failed today resulting in cancellations including the first service off Ellesmere Port which didn't even make it off the depot and the second service off Ellesmere Port which managed to get all the way to the next station before failing.

If you want to be positive about the 777/1's not failing for 2 days, when there are only 3 in service anyway and they have 7 to pick from, then go ahead.

Is there a reason why the battery units should be any less reliable than the others? On a more general note, will the 777 ever reach the same miles per failure as the 507s? How bad were the 507s 11 months in?

 

[ExRes]

A suggestion, not yet confirmed, that it's 777029 being hauled to Long Marston on 0749 6Q45 from Walton Old Junction, currently the power cars and barriers are due back at Walton on tomorrows 5Z46

 

[HST125Scorton]

A suggestion, not yet confirmed, that it's 777029 being hauled to Long Marston on 0749 6Q45 from Walton Old Junction, currently the power cars and barriers are due back at Walton on tomorrows 5Z46

Confirmed 777029 is on the way to Long Marston. Question is for storage or other for issues unknown?

 

[Peter Sarf]

A suggestion, not yet confirmed, that it's 777029 being hauled to Long Marston on 0749 6Q45 from Walton Old Junction, currently the power cars and barriers are due back at Walton on tomorrows 5Z46

Heard something is running to convey a 777. Now last Wednesday 777029, 777043 & 77045 were at Dollands Moor ready to go to Walton Old Junction. Lost track if 777043 & 777045 have moved onwards to Kirkdale but 777029s quick move away from Walton Old Junction suggests space needed for yet more 777s through the tunnel. Surely 777029 has not been in the UK long enough for anyone to discover problems ?.

Lets see what the next move is - will 777043 & 777045 follow 777029 to Long Marston. Or was it not 777029 ?. Confirmed - see below.


EDIT

Confirmed 777029 is on the way to Long Marston. Question is for storage or other for issues unknown?

You've answered that question while I was typing !.

 

[HST125Scorton]

Heard something is running to convey a 777. Now last Wednesday 777029, 777043 & 77045 were at Dollands Moor ready to go to Walton Old Junction. Lost track if 777043 & 777045 have moved onwards to Kirkdale but 777029s quick move away from Walton Old Junction suggests space needed for yet more 777s through the tunnel. Surely 777029 has not been in the UK long enough for anyone to discover problems ?.

Lets see what the next move is - will 777043 & 777045 follow 777029 to Long Marston. Or was it not 777029 ?. Confirmed - see below.


EDIT


You've answered that question while I was typing !.

I would imagine 777043/045 may end up going to Long Marston once 5Z46 arrives. I can only think 3x 777s are due to arrive in Dollands Moor ready for transfer up North. That been said I'm sure I heard that Walton MSC was due to be all cleared out of all units along with the wagons from Traffic Sdgs directly across the line.

 

[8A Rail]

Updated Arrival List as follows:
Kirkdale C.S. = 001 to 028 inclusive, 030, 031, 032, 034, 036, 049, 140, 142, 144, 146, 148, 150 and 152.
WOJn MSC Sidings = 043 and 045.
Long Marston = 029

 

[nigelsporne]

It has been very quiet on the Merseyrail front the last couple of days. Does this mean things are running properly?

 

[YorkRanger]

@8A Rail has provided a helpful list of which units have arrived on the Merseyrail network, but does anyone have a list of which units have now been put into passenger service? I have it down as 001 to 020, 023, 024, 031, 036, 049, 140, 142, 144, 146, 148, 150 and 152. Are there any that I have missed out?

It has been very quiet on the Merseyrail front the last couple of days. Does this mean things are running properly?

There are still train faults occurring on the network, however, a quick scroll through Merseyrail's X page, makes it seem like there might* be fewer faults than in previous weeks (based on post #6276 upthread where 11 faults had been reported in a single day by 1pm and post #6349 where there were 4 faults reported before 10am).

*might because its only a quick scroll and I can't see any details more than "service alterations due to a train fault", which could mean anything from full cancellations for some services to a unit just running fast and not calling at some stations.

 

[karlbbb]

It has been very quiet on the Merseyrail front the last couple of days. Does this mean things are running properly?

5 tweets so far today mentioning train fault; 5 yesterday. Still not exactly plain sailing, and the weather has warmed up a bit too!

 

[nigelsporne]

Thought I was tempting fate!

 

[meld3]

@8A Rail has provided a helpful list of which units have arrived on the Merseyrail network, but does anyone have a list of which units have now been put into passenger service? I have it down as 001 to 020, 023, 024, 031, 036, 049, 140, 142, 144, 146, 148, 150 and 152. Are there any that I have missed out?

Units that have worked include 022 and 025 but also not sure if 144 has worked yet ?

 

[Sam 76]

Thought I was tempting fate!

What id like to know is, what is it with the first Ellesmere Port Services which almost every day seem to end in a train fault. Its very strange indeed.

 

[childwallblues]

@8A Rail has provided a helpful list of which units have arrived on the Merseyrail network, but does anyone have a list of which units have now been put into passenger service? I have it down as 001 to 020, 023, 024, 031, 036, 049, 140, 142, 144, 146, 148, 150 and 152. Are there any that I have missed out?



There are still train faults occurring on the network, however, a quick scroll through Merseyrail's X page, makes it seem like there might* be fewer faults than in previous weeks (based on post #6276 upthread where 11 faults had been reported in a single day by 1pm and post #6349 where there were 4 faults reported before 10am).

*might because its only a quick scroll and I can't see any details more than "service alterations due to a train fault", which could mean anything from full cancellations for some services to a unit just running fast and not calling at some stations.

022 026 and 030 have been reported as in service.