It isn't risk aversion though, as investigations into similar incidents where people are trapped for hours have shown, passengers just self evacuate which increases the risk.
Probably would've made it more complicated to get services back on the move when the block was mitigated. Easier if all trains are cancelled so they don't have a bunch of passengers dotted around the network in places that make it harder to assist in moving the faulty train.
Why would they?
They did.
Is that the failure from yesterday? Labelled up as 5T61 on open train times. Curiously, realtime trains only shows trains using platform 2 from 12:46 but no schedule for 5T61. A 5T62 14:05 to Kirkdale schedule has just appeared.
I was on the following Hunts Cross departure from Liverpool Central 15 minutes after the errant 777 028 departed which was formed of 507 017 and 507 020. We terminated at Liverpool South Parkway and were told the train in front had failed. The train crew expected that we would be turned back fairly quickly using the crossover just north of the station. However, a short while later we were told the train wasn't going anywhere as the route had been set up for 777 028 and we could not at that time be signalled out.
It was. 6-car. I saw it from the bridge as I was heading for the non-existent train towards Central.
When? My daughter had to get a replacement bus from Moorfields at approx. 17.00.
That's a bit strange. The failure was quite a way away from Liverpool South Parkway. It's a signalled move off the up platform back towards Liverpool and is protected by signal 99 shown on the map below.
www.opentraintimes.com
Well if the errant 777s are in Platform 3 any Merseyrail services reaching Hunts Cross will have to use Platform 2 which is third rail fitted.
I disagree. It is strange. Why would it be designed like that? Granted the exact location of the failure was unfortunate.
You can be so risk adverse to one risk (getting passengers onto the tracks in an evacuation) that you end up increasing the risk of other things happening. So yeah, it’s still being risk adverse, and ironically so.
Maybe that is what happened but it would take time to organise. According to RTT the train behind mine (2U19) that was stuck at Cressington arrived at South Parkway at 13:42 some 151 minutes late. For that to happen 2U18 had to have vacated the platform it occupied.
This is what happens when politics gets in the way of common sense… I’m sure Stadler just despair at this point. Imagine effectively saying the /1s are not ready and someone who’s not on the industry forcing them in anyway to save face
It's charming replies like this and your previous one that makes this place such a warm and cosy environment...
I guess this is what happens when people bitch and moan about having to ride on 40 year old clapped out contraptions and the mayor feels he has to get the new stock in place when it's not ready to keep people happy...
There’s absolutely that too. I just refuse to believe that all the blame can be put on Stadlers door. They didn’t become terrible over night at building trains. So when the mayor goes demanding answers, when they were told they weren’t ready what does he expect them to say ?
I'm sorry, but what else could he do, they had been sitting in the very visible depot for 3 years, without any obvious progress, which it just ridiculous. Stadler need to sort themselves out, just look at the 555s, just constant delays. Now over a year in and they are still hopless, how much more testing would they need to be introduced flawlessly
In my opinion the local rag The Liverpool Echo does the Mayors bidding for him.
This is a fair point. The Echo were apparently blissfully unaware of all the strife on the Kirkby line with the 777s until a couple of people tweeted one of their 'journalists' directly. They have been astonishingly obtuse in covering the roll-out if their website is any yardstick.
Very surprised it's still stuck! I guess if the report a few pages ago that they couldn't drop the pickup shoes is true then that could explain it. I guess that would also preclude charging of the "depot" batteries meaning they likely can't even power the train on at all.
