Metrocar updates and withdrawals - Tyne & Wear Metro

[Volvictof]

Yeah the thing is the smoke itself could be seen by an individual as a threat to your life if you have breathing issues, meaning an emergency justifying use of the escape handles. As a passenger you would be acutely aware that the driver can’t see what’s going on if you’re in the back car and therefor may not know about the smoke.
I think especially after Grenfell, being told by and official to stay put when there is smoke is not something that a lot of people would feel comfortable doing. That being said, the driver does almost always know best, and usually the smoke isn’t due to a fire and the safest place is on the train.

 

[Paul_10]

Yeah the thing is the smoke itself could be seen by an individual as a threat to your life if you have breathing issues, meaning an emergency justifying use of the escape handles. As a passenger you would be acutely aware that the driver can’t see what’s going on if you’re in the back car and therefor may not know about the smoke.
I think especially after Grenfell, being told by and official to stay put when there is smoke is not something that a lot of people would feel comfortable doing. That being said, the driver does almost always know best, and usually the smoke isn’t due to a fire and the safest place is on the train.

Apparently it wasn't smoke but dust after an air leak but still potentially dangerous for asthma sufferers especially.

I think it's easy to criticise the passengers in this situation but when you hear a loud bang and see stuff coming into the carriage, it's going to cause distress especially anyone with anxiety or if your under the influence. We will probably never know if the train could be able to move if emergency handles wasn't keep on being used but it's a reminder anything could happen and the fact it occured in a tunnel made it even more serious. I'm just thankful there was no fire and hopefully it means the train won't be out of service for long.

 

[Somewhere]

A cloud of dust could easily be ignited with all the vaping and smoking the feral kids do on these trains

 

[wot_u_sayin]

A cloud of dust could easily be ignited with all the vaping and smoking the feral kids do on these trains

Sorry what on earth are you talking about, I'm a long time lurker on this forum and I've just made an account now because I haven't heard of anything so silly..

Vaping could set a light cloud of dust on fire? You do realise how that's not possible.

Welp, at least I have a forum account now

 

[Volvictof]

Sorry what on earth are you talking about, I'm a long time lurker on this forum and I've just made an account now because I haven't heard of anything so silly..

Vaping could set a light cloud of dust on fire? You do realise how that's not possible.

Welp, at least I have a forum account now

I love the username you went with to make this comment .

 

[Paul_10]

Sorry what on earth are you talking about, I'm a long time lurker on this forum and I've just made an account now because I haven't heard of anything so silly..

Vaping could set a light cloud of dust on fire? You do realise how that's not possible.

Welp, at least I have a forum account now

Im gathering the OP does not mean in the literal sense but more the fact how often they see kids smoking/vaping that it could set a cloud of dust on fire...

 

[Tramfan]

4063 is the latest long term stopper to come back into service, seen on 109 with 4071 earlier

 

[Tramfan]

4025 now also back in service

 

[phillogie@tisc]

Thanks to a friend these are the Metro units which were operating each diagram today

101 04/50
102 31/69
103 19/36
104 20/48
105 23/68
106 26/78
107 06/11
108 08/54
109 59/66
110 35/85
111 03/38
112 24/45

121 17/71
122 44/87
123 05*/64
124 57/84
125 53/74
126 32/86
127 42/90
128 13/28
129 63/79
130 58/65
131 39/73
132 12/75
133 81/89
134 09/43
135 25/67
136 49/82

* 05 developed a fault early afternoon and was replaced by 21

 

[Paul_10]

Thanks to a friend these are the Metro units which were operating each diagram today

101 04/50
102 31/69
103 19/36
104 20/48
105 23/68
106 26/78
107 06/11
108 08/54
109 59/66
110 35/85
111 03/38
112 24/45

121 17/71
122 44/87
123 05*/64
124 57/84
125 53/74
126 32/86
127 42/90
128 13/28
129 63/79
130 58/65
131 39/73
132 12/75
133 81/89
134 09/43
135 25/67
136 49/82

* 05 developed a fault early afternoon and was replaced by 21

Good too see a full service operating it would seem and even some spare sets as back up coming into play.

Will be up in the region in around 3 weeks time, will be on the lookout too see if any further long term of out use units come back into play or not.

 

[Tramfan]

4015 and 4029 are both the latest to return after periods out of service

4047 noted back in service today after being out of service since December 2022

 

[Paul_10]

4015 and 4029 are both the latest to return after periods out of service

4047 noted back in service today after being out of service since December 2022

Was up in the region last week aand was very surprised too see 4047 in service, sadly I was heading in the opposite direction so couldn't catch it but did manage to catch 4064 which was a longer term out of use unit in the last year.

The list in the OP definately need many updates it seems, really good too see so many units back in service mind and the infamous gaps in service message is less frequent(unless there is disruption).

 

[DanNCL]

The list in the OP definately need many updates it seems, really good too see so many units back in service mind and the infamous gaps in service message is less frequent(unless there is disruption).

It is on my to do list, just not had much time lately. I’ll get it done as soon as I can.

 

[Lesterhoss]

I am coming up to Newcastle the first weekend of October hoping to see my 4 last units 4003/4046/4071/4089. A month ago a member listed, thanks to a friend of his, pairings and rosters for that day. Not knowing how permanent these pairings last, subject to no faults occurring, I am wondering if anyone has the latest pairings for my 4 units.
Also on my last two visits I have taken photos of the units at a number of stations when travelling the network and then mainly standing at 2 stations Sth Gosforth and West Jesmond. I was hoping to do more photography this time but reading that the management effectively ban enthusiasts from taking photos but allow selfies beggars belief. So can anyone recommend a location somewhere between Sth Gosforth and Pelaw that is near to a station but off the network where reasonable photos can be done. Many thanks.

 

[bramling]

I am coming up to Newcastle the first weekend of October hoping to see my 4 last units 4003/4046/4071/4089. A month ago a member listed, thanks to a friend of his, pairings and rosters for that day. Not knowing how permanent these pairings last, subject to no faults occurring, I am wondering if anyone has the latest pairings for my 4 units.
Also on my last two visits I have taken photos of the units at a number of stations when travelling the network and then mainly standing at 2 stations Sth Gosforth and West Jesmond. I was hoping to do more photography this time but reading that the management effectively ban enthusiasts from taking photos but allow selfies beggars belief. So can anyone recommend a location somewhere between Sth Gosforth and Pelaw that is near to a station but off the network where reasonable photos can be done. Many thanks.

To be honest, I’d just go ahead and take photos on the stations. You’re very unlikely to be challenged, as staffing isn’t exactly Nexus’s strongpoint.

I’d avoid South Gosforth though, as that’s one place you are likely to encounter staff, and if you do see staff then it might be worth hiding the camera for a bit or moving to somewhere else. Also worth being aware the users on the metro aren’t used to seeing people with cameras, so use a bit of judgement, especially in the more dodgy parts of the system.

 

[steve_k_67]

I am coming up to Newcastle the first weekend of October hoping to see my 4 last units 4003/4046/4071/4089. A month ago a member listed, thanks to a friend of his, pairings and rosters for that day. Not knowing how permanent these pairings last, subject to no faults occurring, I am wondering if anyone has the latest pairings for my 4 units.
Also on my last two visits I have taken photos of the units at a number of stations when travelling the network and then mainly standing at 2 stations Sth Gosforth and West Jesmond. I was hoping to do more photography this time but reading that the management effectively ban enthusiasts from taking photos but allow selfies beggars belief. So can anyone recommend a location somewhere between Sth Gosforth and Pelaw that is near to a station but off the network where reasonable photos can be done. Many thanks.

Spent 90 minutes or so on the network today between Felling and Monument and observed the following:
101 - 59/35
102 - 14/11
104 - 04/??
105 - 19/63
106 - 38/32
107 - 29/79
109 - 49/27
111 - 08/47
112 - 58/65

121 - 86/89
122 - 16/45
124 - 20/71
125 - 57/78
127 - 17/24
131 - 39/73
132 - 74/43
133 - 13/23
134 - 18/69
135 - 15/90
136 - 48/03

Hope that helps.

 

[Lesterhoss]

Hi Steve, thanks for your reply. It does help as it proves that the pairings do change as 3 of the 4 required 4003/4071/4089 are now paired with different ones than seen and listed a month ago.
Unit 4046 does not appear on either listing so I dont know if it is in service and eluded both yourself and the previous correspondent or if it is out of service.
Hi Brambling, If conditions are ok I am thinking of using my phone camera rather than my SLR.
Regards to you both.

 

[northeast10]

46 has been sat by itself for a good few weeks on depot. You can see it when you travel from regent centre to south gosforth.

 

[Paul_10]

On my recent trip a few weeks back, I saw 4046 in the depot in the same spot on consecutive days but with the pantograph up which possibly means it's active but not 100% sure.

I get the feeling apart from the units that are highlighted in red and yellow, the only units that are shown as active in the OP that might not be active based on my observations and the pairings that been posted on here are 4033 and 4056.

 

[Lesterhoss]

Thanks guys. I will keep a lookout for it.

 

[Stepford Guy]

4041 has apparently returned to service today

 

[Tramfan]

4041 has apparently returned to service today

It's on 105 with 4054.

4033, 4046, 4056 and 4087 are parked up at the depot with their pantographs down.

 

[DanNCL]

Understand that the latest long term absentee to return to service is 4080, back in service this morning.

A full update to the list in the opening post is coming. Sorry it’s taken me so long and that updates are irregular, I’ve had very little time lately.

With two units returning to service this year that had been out of action for over 12 months, I think the only (surviving) units it’s safe to assume as permanently withdrawn are 01, 07, 10, 40, 60 and 76.

 

[Tramfan]

Understand that the latest long term absentee to return to service is 4080, back in service this morning.

A full update to the list in the opening post is coming. Sorry it’s taken me so long and that updates are irregular, I’ve had very little time lately.

With two units returning to service this year that had been out of action for over 12 months, I think the only (surviving) units it’s safe to assume as permanently withdrawn are 01, 07, 10, 40, 60 and 76.

With 4080 returning as well, I make it 5 units back in service recently that have been out of use for over 12 months - 4020, 4041, 4047 and 4064 being the other 4.

4034 is the latest car to return to service after longer than a year out of use

 

[7522]

4033 in service today with 4071 on yellow line.

 

[Lesterhoss]

Just returned from a successful 2 day stint having now seen my last 4 units on both days. Many thanks to northeast10 & paul10 who advised that 4046 was outside the depot visible from the Airport line.
I can confirm that apart from Dan's list of 6 doubtful units that all the original stored ones are now operating on the network. I surmise that Nexus originally had no intention of using these units once they became faulty etc but owing to the continued delay in introducing the new Stadler units it has become necessary to repair them in order to maintain service availability.
On Monday I saw units 4025/4031 on the Rail Head Treatment Train firstly crossing the Tyne Bridge and later South Gosforth.

 

[Class91Joe]

I understand that 4061 is very soon due a return to service (if it hasn't already). It was rumoured to have been up to Airport & back on test a few days back. Very surprising to see because if I remember correctly this was one of the more heavily cannibalised cars on the avoiding line a little while ago?

 

[Paul_10]

I understand that 4061 is very soon due a return to service (if it hasn't already). It was rumoured to have been up to Airport & back on test a few days back. Very surprising to see because if I remember correctly this was one of the more heavily cannibalised cars on the avoiding line a little while ago?

Think it was very heavily graffitied but not necessarily heavily cannibalised. I think the only ones which going by photos and videos that are cannibalised notably are 4001, 4010, 4040, 4060(?) and 4076. I remember however Steve King saying on the photography group the only ones which are definately withdrawn are 4001, 4007, 4010 and 4040 so in theory, the others still got a chance to return to service.

I'm more surprised we have not seen anymore units gone for scrap, space I'll imagine must be pretty tight at the depot.

 

[En]

Sorry what on earth are you talking about, I'm a long time lurker on this forum and I've just made an account now because I haven't heard of anything so silly..

Vaping could set a light cloud of dust on fire? You do realise how that's not possible.

Welp, at least I have a forum account now

not aware of the concept of the ;dust explosion' then ... odd given it's a KS 3 science demo ( or used to be )

 

[Peter Sarf]

not aware of the concept of the ;dust explosion' then ... odd given it's a KS 3 science demo ( or used to be )

But a dust explosion needs to be triggered by a spark iirc, does a vape produce any spark ?.