Very disappointing to hear - Stadler build quality is normally far above these sorts of trivial defects!
Maybe if Merseyrail had focused on ensuring snags and defects like this were identified and corrected rather than trying to force DOO...
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Metrocar updates and withdrawals - Tyne & Wear Metro
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Very disappointing to hear - Stadler build quality is normally far above these sorts of trivial defects!
Maybe if Merseyrail had focused on ensuring snags and defects like this were identified and corrected rather than trying to force DOO...
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This is being discussed in the thread: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/tyne-wear-metro-fleet-replacement-awarded-to-stadler.157260
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Class91Joe
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Does anybody know if 555005 will be out doing the same today please?
@Trestrol maybe you might know?
@Trestrol maybe you might know?
DanNCL
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Thanks, will update the list (along with any other changes) this evening.
88 is the most heavily stripped unit to go yet. Completely devoid of windows and doors.
Edit: as of 16:22, 4088 has already been scrapped. So processed pretty much immediately upon arrival and finished in a very short period of time. Same yard in Bishop Auckland as 02 and 83.
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bramling
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List in the opening post updated.
bramling
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Been tipped off that 4070 goes today.
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Hope they're not getting rid of trains with no immediate replacements!
bramling
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The ones scrapped so far have all been long-term out of use and (in at least some cases) very heavily stripped for parts.
That said, 4083 was a bit of an eye-opener as that seemed to go from in service and a good performer to scrap pretty quickly.
Certainly the current situation on the Metro isn’t great by any measures, with the timetable having already been reduced they still can’t deliver a robust service.
These units were non-runners anyway - so no loss.
DanNCL
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Next surely has to be one of 10, 34, 60, 61, 76 or 77? They’ve been stopped the longest.
Still find it staggering that 10, 60 and 76 have been dumped on the avoiding line for basically 2 years now and they’ve still not got rid of them, yet 3 units that have ran within last year have gone for scrap.
I’ll update the list to reflect 70 going for scrap. No other changes have happened in the 24 hours since the last update.
There’s still several long term stopped units to go before withdrawals from the operational fleet begin.
There’s a lot of 555s waiting to come over and the Swiss want their siding space back, so the clear out of old stock from Gosforth has to make progress.
As for 4083, others can probably elaborate more than I can but I seem to recall an issue with it was found that was beyond (economical?) repair.
4040 isn’t any use on its own but hasn’t gone, presumably either it’s a very useful parts donor or Nexus have a departmental use in mind for it.
Still find it staggering that 10, 60 and 76 have been dumped on the avoiding line for basically 2 years now and they’ve still not got rid of them, yet 3 units that have ran within last year have gone for scrap.
I’ll update the list to reflect 70 going for scrap. No other changes have happened in the 24 hours since the last update.
None of the scrapped units have ran more recently than July 2023. For 02, 55 and 62 it had been a lot longer.
There’s still several long term stopped units to go before withdrawals from the operational fleet begin.
There’s a lot of 555s waiting to come over and the Swiss want their siding space back, so the clear out of old stock from Gosforth has to make progress.
As for 4083, others can probably elaborate more than I can but I seem to recall an issue with it was found that was beyond (economical?) repair.
4040 isn’t any use on its own but hasn’t gone, presumably either it’s a very useful parts donor or Nexus have a departmental use in mind for it.
83 was the one that speared thru the school bus in the 80s. I was told the chassis was twisted which made the 3/4 life upgrade at wabtech a non starter. Someone else may know more though.
I’m sure one of the depot lads on here mentioned that the Un-refurbished models can still be coupled up for shunting purposes and the issues with coupling to refurbished units revolve around the SOS button situated in the wheelchair section. If 40 can still be used for shunting thing in and out of the sheds it would save the MAs of passenger serving cars for a while longer. Mind you I vaguely remember seeing 40 sitting complete stripped of even its half of its coupler components, headlight units and parts of body trim. If my memory is right, then it’s not even capable of shunting.
bramling
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Speculation but could 4040 be useful as a source of cosmetic parts for any preservation attempt of 4001? Not that this seems to have helped either 4002 or 4083!
I don't fully buy that was the reason why it was not refurbished especially as it went through an half life refurbishment which included modifying the front ends. Both 4040/83 carried the Emirates livery so might of been to do with the contract of that before it got renew and 2 refurbished sets(4022 and 4033 if memory serves) received an updated version of it.
It would be good too see if some of these scrapped units brings more long term out of units back into action because it felt like on my last trip up there, it was the virtually the same units in service day in and day out which leaves very little margin for error and probably does not help with realiability.
70 has also gone as of Wednesday 22/05/2024With the first of the new Stadler units already being at Gosforth, the second unit en-route to Gosforth, and the announcement that the first Metrocar will enter preservation in the next few months, I’ve created this thread to keep track of the outgoing Metro fleet over the next 2 years as it’s withdrawn and units are preserved, scrapped or converted for other uses.
I’ve created a fleet list which I’ll keep updated.
The fleet situation is very fluid, with changes taking place often several times a week.
Key:
Green - operational
Red - withdrawn
Orange - not operational, may return to service in the future
Blue - Under attention
Purple - non passenger use
Grey - removed from Nexus property but survives
Strikethrough- Scrapped
Units marked with * did not undergo the 2010-2015 Wabtec refurbishment, instead receiving corrosion repairs and RVAR mods at Gosforth between 2018-2020. They are not compatible with the wider fleet in service, however may run together empty.
Units marked with = did not receive the new male auto announcements in 2014-2015 and retain the previous female auto announcements. Announcements are controlled by the leading unit, the announcements installed on the leading unit will play through the full formation.
All units stored on the avoiding line have been vandalised.
4001* - stored at Gosforth (avoiding line) pending transfer to the North Tyneside Steam Railway for preservation. Last ran in 2021
4002*- Left Gosforth by rail 03/10/23, removed from Howdon by road same day, scrapped in Bishop Auckland. Last ran in 2022
4003
4004
4005
4006
4007
4008
4009
4010 - stripped for parts, stored at Gosforth (avoiding line). Last ran in 2022
4011
4012
4013
4014
4015
4016
4017
4018
4019
4020 - stored at Gosforth (main depot), missing components, believed to be earmarked for preservation at Beamish Museum. Last ran in early 2023.
4021
4022- Scrapped at Nemesis Rail, Burton-on-Trent, early 2020 - last ran in July 2017. Both cabs have been saved and are at Gosforth depot.
4023
4024
4025 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Last ran no later than April 2024
4026
4027
4028
4029
4030
4031
4032
4033
4034 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Last ran in May 2023
4035
4036
4037 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Last ran no later than December 2023
4038
4039
4040* - stored at Gosforth (main depot), missing components. Not expected to return to service. Last ran 28/07/2023
4041 - training unit at South Shields, unlikely to return to passenger use. Last ran in passenger use in late 2022/early 2023.
4042 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Last ran no later than March 2024
4043
4044
4045
4046
4047 - training unit at South Shields, unlikely to return to passenger use. Last ran in passenger use in late 2022/early 2023.
4048
4049
4050
4051 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Last ran no later than April 2024
4052
4053
4054
4055- Left by road for scrap at EMR Tyne Dock on 28/06/2023. Last ran in passenger use in 2021, was in training use until early 2023.
4056
4057
4058
4059
4060 - stored at Gosforth (avoiding line), presumed withdrawn. Last ran in 2022.
4061 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Last ran in March 2023
4062- Left by road for scrap at EMR Tyne Dock on 29/06/2023. Last ran in passenger use in 2021, was in training use until early 2023.
4063 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Last ran in August 2023?
4064 - stored at Gosforth (main depot. Last ran in July 2023
4065
4066
4067
4068
4069 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Last ran no later than April 2024
4070 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Missing components. Last ran in May 2023
4071
4072 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Last ran no later than April 2024
4073=
4074
4075
4076 - stripped for parts, stored at Gosforth (avoiding line). Last ran in 2022.
4077 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Missing components. Last ran no later than May 2023
4078
4079
4080 - stored at Gosforth (main depot). Last ran in July 2023
4081=
4082
4083*- Left Gosforth by rail 05/10/23, removed from Howdon by road same day, scrapped in Bishop Auckland. Last ran 28/07/2023.
4084
4085
4086
4087
4088- Left Gosforth by rail 21/06/24, removed from Howdon by road and scrapped in Bishop Auckland same day. Last ran in July or August 2023
4089
4090
Stats:
Operational: 63 units
Under attention: 0 units
Stored:13 units (25/34/37/42/51/61/63/64/69/70/72/77/80)
Non-passenger use: 2 units (41/47)
Withdrawn, still on Metro network: 6 units (01/10/20/40/60/76)
Scrapped: 6 units (02/22/55/62/83/88)
Preserved: 0 units
Battery locos:
BL1 - stored at Gosforth (main depot)
BL2
BL3 - stored at Gosforth (main depot)
Updated 21/05/24 - 88 has left for scrap. 25, 51, 69 and 72 are stored. 33 was stored for at least 6 months but is back in service. 11 has spent a period out of action but is back in service
Any updates to this list would be greatly appreciated30/04/23 - 15, 16, 48, 68, 69 and 89 have all returned to service
05/05/23 - 03 has returned to service
08/05/23 - 01 and 10 have moved to avoiding line, 20 and 46 have moved to main depot, 08, 21 and 59 have returned to service, 28,29,30,35,74,86 under attention, 60 and 76 presumed withdrawn
11/05/23 - 28,29,30,35,74,86 have returned to service
22/05/23 - 12 and 61 have moved back to Gosforth under their own power for further storage after a period of storage at Howdon. 04, which was under attention, is once again stored. 07, 34 and 70 are stored at Gosforth. 77 is missing components. 01 has been vandalised.
24/05/23 - 07 has returned to service
07/06/23 - 03 and 42 are under attention, both have electrical faults. 84 is believed to be stored and is now marked accordingly
10/06/23 - 03, 12, 42 and 84 have returned to service
28/06/23 - 55 has left Howdon to be scrapped at EMR Tyne Dock
29/06/23 - 62 has left Howdon to be scrapped at EMR Tyne Dock. 13 is under attention following accident damage. 20 is earmarked for preservation at Beamish and now presumed withdrawn. 41 and 47 are not expected to return to passenger use.
07/07/23 - 46 and 64 have returned to service after an extended period in storage.18 and 78 have been stored. Storage locations of units at Gosforth depot changed in connection with ongoing demolition work.
08/07/23 - error corrected, 18 and 78 are not stored and remain operational
13/07/23 - 25 has returned to service
28/07/23 - 04 has returned to service after an extended period in storage
31/07/23 - 64 and 80 have been stored. 20 is missing components
16/08/23 - 40 and 83 have been withdrawn. 19, 56 and 88 are stored. 38 and 90 are under attention.
23/08/23 - 90 has returned to service
10/09/23 - 13, 19, 38 and 56 have returned to service. 64 has moved from the avoiding line to Gosforth (main depot), remains in store
03/10/23 - 02 has been dragged to Howdon and removed by road the same day for scrap. 63 is stored at Gosforth. 46,48,58,59,79,84 are under attention
13/04/24 - overdue update, 46, 48, 58, 59 and 84 have returned to service, 83 has left for scrap, 37 and 42 are stored, movement of some stored units from avoiding line into main depot
21/05/24 - 88 has left for scrap. 25, 51, 69 and 72 are stored. 33 was stored for at least 6 months but is back in service. 11 has spent a period out of action but is back in service
I have a sneaky feeling this is BS so dont shoot the messenger, but i've heard the next 555's due over are 555010 and 555014
Not until July are they due.
phillogie@tisc
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I walked alongside the depot yesterday and noticed that the avoiding line has now been cleared of units. There were 4 units I could see which appeared to be out of service they were 52 coupled to 34, 80 & 63.
Class91Joe
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555023 is the latest to be built incase you haven't already seen and wanted to update your list @DanNCL
Interesting, the sidings must be full of trains with pans down, hopefully this means the scrapping of these trains will be occurring soon. Be interesting too see if another 2 or so will leave next week.
Arrived at scrap yard at Shildon about 30 minutes ago.
Looks like we may get 2 units going a week then for the time being? Could see quite a good number of units leaving the system in the coming weeks.
Anyone know which unit was involved in the incident with the tree on the coast line today?
Looks like some damage done to the train aswell with the drivers cab bearing the brunt.
Anyone know which unit was involved in the incident with the tree on the coast line today?
Looks like some damage done to the train aswell with the drivers cab bearing the brunt.
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