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Missing the last train from Berney Arms

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This thread brings to mind a book which some might find of some interest. Published within the past couple of years – it’s Tiny Stations, by a chap called Dixe Wills – who I’d never heard of before I happened on the book. Wills is an author and journalist, specialising on writing about eco-friendly travel, mostly in Britain. He’s not a railway enthusiast as such; but the book gives some interesting insights into a particular aspect of Great Britain’s railways, from the perspective of a mostly sympathetic non-gricer. I found him sometimes, from my point of view, a bit irritatingly socially and politically right-on; and equally irritatingly, tending to be facetious and “whimsy” (“a touch of the Bill Brysons”) – but nonetheless, on balance enjoyed the book.

It basically concerns his setting out to explore, in Great Britain, those national-network rail lines featuring stations which, above all, appear in the timetable as “request” stops: said stations and halts often physically very small, and / or difficult of access other than by rail, and / or served by overall, extremely few workings. Berney Arms shows up in the book; as do Dovey Junction, Sugar Loaf, and Corrour, all mentioned in this thread. Another venue featured is Shippea Hill, on the Ely – Norwich line; whose service if I have things rightly, is just: Mondays to Fridays, one morning working eastbound (nothing in the opposite direction) -- and Saturdays, one morning working eastbound and one a couple of hours later, westbound. I am in many ways not immensely well-up on the present-day (IMO largely depressing) British “real”, as opposed to preserved, rail scene; and was unaware until recently, how surprisingly large, to me, a number of stations on the network are extremely meagrely served – to the point of their practical usefulness seeming almost nil.

Because it is cheaper to stop that one train a day (or week) then it is to go through the process of closing the station.

Hence why you have the likes of Pilning, Teesside Airport, Shippea Hill, Golf Street (etc) which see a practically useless service
 
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Because it is cheaper to stop that one train a day (or week) then it is to go through the process of closing the station.

Hence why you have the likes of Pilning, Teesside Airport, Shippea Hill, Golf Street (etc) which see a practically useless service

I had a vague notion of this -- (plus?), should matters work out in the future that bringing the station back into meaningful traffic, would make sense: formally closing it and then formally reopening it would be, legally, Parliamentarily, and financially, what the Yanks call "a real four-eyed offspring-of-not-legally-married parents" -- connected with a thing called, I believe, the "Speller Act".

Didn't get into this in my post, feeling reluctant to over-complicate said post. Dixe Wills in his book, seems unaware of such subtleties -- his musings on the issue appear just to boil down to, "railways are weird".
 

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I had a vague notion of this -- (plus?), should matters work out in the future that bringing the station back into meaningful traffic, would make sense: formally closing it and then formally reopening it would be, legally, Parliamentarily, and financially, what the Yanks call "a real four-eyed offspring-of-not-legally-married parents" -- connected with a thing called, I believe, the "Speller Act".

Didn't get into this in my post, feeling reluctant to over-complicate said post. Dixe Wills in his book, seems unaware of such subtleties -- his musings on the issue appear just to boil down to, "railways are weird".

Isn't there a Paul Merton fronted show which is meant to be showing at some-point this year where he visited some of the stations featured in Mr Wills book (although IIRC it was going to be shown on More4)?
 

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This thread brings to mind a book which some might find of some interest. Published within the past couple of years – it’s Tiny Stations, by a chap called Dixe Wills – who I’d never heard of before I happened on the book. Wills is an author and journalist, specialising on writing about eco-friendly travel, mostly in Britain. He’s not a railway enthusiast as such; but the book gives some interesting insights into a particular aspect of Great Britain’s railways, from the perspective of a mostly sympathetic non-gricer. I found him sometimes, from my point of view, a bit irritatingly socially and politically right-on; and equally irritatingly, tending to be facetious and “whimsy” (“a touch of the Bill Brysons”) – but nonetheless, on balance enjoyed the book.

It basically concerns his setting out to explore, in Great Britain, those national-network rail lines featuring stations which, above all, appear in the timetable as “request” stops: said stations and halts often physically very small, and / or difficult of access other than by rail, and / or served by overall, extremely few workings. Berney Arms shows up in the book; as do Dovey Junction, Sugar Loaf, and Corrour, all mentioned in this thread. Another venue featured is Shippea Hill, on the Ely – Norwich line; whose service if I have things rightly, is just: Mondays to Fridays, one morning working eastbound (nothing in the opposite direction) -- and Saturdays, one morning working eastbound and one a couple of hours later, westbound. I am in many ways not immensely well-up on the present-day (IMO largely depressing) British “real”, as opposed to preserved, rail scene; and was unaware until recently, how surprisingly large, to me, a number of stations on the network are extremely meagrely served – to the point of their practical usefulness seeming almost nil.

I too would recommend 'Tiny Stations'.

I visited (Dent, Forsinard, Altnabreac) and travelled through writing about (Corrour, Coombe Junction, Dovey Junction, Sugar Loaf) for my book 'The Next Station Stop' a couple of years ago. At Dent there's a notice with advice on what passengers should do if they miss the last train.
 

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........I really do wonder if some of the posters on this thread ever go out walking in the country? Yes paths can be muddy, yes there are cows, yes if it rains you'll get wet, yes you'll need a torch if its dark.:roll::roll: A map may well be advisable, although perhaps not necessary for Yarmouth.

I wonder how a thread that is just a bit of fun can cause such indignation and rolling of the eyes, twice. ;)

Pay a visit this summer, walk to Reedham (it's nicer) rather than Great Yarmouth (but mind those cows :lol: ). If you're lucky you may get a photograph of Reedham swing bridge open to river traffic from the road bridge over the railway, an unusual shot. Then enjoy a pint by the river.
 
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I too would recommend 'Tiny Stations'.

I visited (Dent, Forsinard, Altnabreac) and travelled through writing about (Corrour, Coombe Junction, Dovey Junction, Sugar Loaf) for my book 'The Next Station Stop' a couple of years ago. At Dent there's a notice with advice on what passengers should do if they miss the last train.

Just posting to endorse your book as excellent.
 

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I too would recommend 'Tiny Stations'.

I visited (Dent, Forsinard, Altnabreac) and travelled through writing about (Corrour, Coombe Junction, Dovey Junction, Sugar Loaf) for my book 'The Next Station Stop' a couple of years ago. At Dent there's a notice with advice on what passengers should do if they miss the last train.

Interesting that several people express warm approval of Wills's Tiny Stations. My liking for it is somewhat "qualified" -- it's grand however, when something gives plenty of pleasure to multiple folk !

Essexman, I've Googled your book as mentioned by you above -- I'll look out for it.
 

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I don't suppose I'm allowed too post details but it's on amazon - The Next Station Stop - Fifty Years by Train.
 

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I wonder how a thread that is just a bit of fun can cause such indignation and rolling of the eyes, twice. ;)

Pay a visit this summer, walk to Reedham (it's nicer) rather than Great Yarmouth (but mind those cows :lol: ). If you're lucky you may get a photograph of Reedham swing bridge open to river traffic from the road bridge over the railway, an unusual shot. Then enjoy a pint by the river.

Many, many years ago, as part of the Profumo Affair Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice-Davis stayed at the pub beside the swing bridge at Reedham, it was owned by a Band Leader but I cant remember who it was, could have been Alan Breeze. It was their escape from the press at the time. However, from the signalbox you had a very good view of the roof terrace of the pub where they both used to sunbathe, sometimes topless. As a young teenager I found that quite interesting! Of course, they didn't think that the signalbox was a problem, it was just there and nobody appeared to be there!
 
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From a driver's perspective, before the days of pesky data recorders and CCTV, several usually would trundle slowly through places like that. Open the window, remind them they don't stop there, and wait and see what the reaction is from the passenger.

Assuming the passenger doesn't go off on a dopey rant and they ask politely, the drivers door would often swing open. Seen it happen at Glazebrook with the old Irlam turnbacks and on the Wrexham - Bidston with an empty stock. Even seen a Wrexham Bidston set back 1/4 of a mile after a request stop was forgotten about.. don't get that nowadays :)
 

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I've been on the platform at Berney Arms for the last train of the day when it failed to call. The story of how myself and my companions got home is for another day but assure you that the TOC coughed up in full for all expenses incurred, including the unreceipted ones....
 

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Latching onto this thread, because of its "diverting" into discussion of books about little-used British stations. A fair number of people seem to be writing about this topic, nowadays: see the below, recently sent to me by a contact.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36196948
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Latching onto this thread, because of its "diverting" into discussion of books about little-used British stations. A fair number of people seem to be writing about this topic, nowadays: see the below, recently sent to me by a contact.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36196948

I see that I'm "late to the party" here: there's already a thread on "UK Railway Discussion" -- "The man who has photographed every train station (sic) in Great Britain" -- about this guy.
 
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