I think HS2 Ltd are less likely to forget it than anyone else would be. Now if he'd given the job to NR...Hope they haven't forgotten the bit between Clay Cross and the HS2 junction towards Alfreton.
I think HS2 Ltd are less likely to forget it than anyone else would be. Now if he'd given the job to NR...Hope they haven't forgotten the bit between Clay Cross and the HS2 junction towards Alfreton.
Quite! Aren't the BR OLEMI Mk3Even less of an excuse then!
That'd give quite the patchwork quilt of OLE systems between London and Sheffield then! Mk3 St Pancras to Bedford, Master Series (Series 1 and Series 2) Bedford to Market Harborough, Alstom CLever (admittedly not a million miles away from Series 2, visually at least) from Market Harborough to Clay Cross, and then SNCF LGV style stuff from Clay Cross onwards!
Quite! Aren't the BR OLEMI Mk3HeadspansDreadspans slated for replacement as well?
It's possible HS2 have already looked at the bit south of Clay Cross as that was never part of anyone else's electrification. But it's also possible neither party has been remitted for that section - a bit like everyone seemed to forget about upgrading south of Bedford.I think HS2 Ltd are less likely to forget it than anyone else would be. Now if he'd given the job to NR...
However if I remember correctly the timescale for completion was extended in autumn 2017 from the end of 2019 to the end of 2020. Presumably the plan that is being kept to is the latest, slowest plan.Sounds like Corby electrification is, for now, going to plan...
That's exactly what happened on the GWML in a few places where the HEX OLE had headspans. Headspans were removed and portals bolted to the original headspan masts during overnight possessions.I would think so, at least in places. If the OLE south of Bedford is being upgraded to cope with 125mph operation, then they would (likely) have to be increasing the tension, which would probably lead to replacement of a large number of the structures. I wonder if it is the plan to convert a lot of the headspans to portals anyway as they have done at Connington and a few other locations.
Similar as well to what's occurring at Conington on the ECML at the moment. I suspect Werrington Jct may be similarly altered when the grade-separation takes place.That's exactly what happened on the GWML in a few places where the HEX OLE had headspans. Headspans were removed and portals bolted to the original headspan masts during overnight possessions.
It's good to see that at last functionality is back being considered more important than aesthetics with critical infrastructure such as OLE.Similar as well to what's occurring at Conington on the ECML at the moment. I suspect Werrington Jct may be similarly altered when the grade-separation takes place.
I think the headspans were more about cost than either...It's good to see that at last functionality is back being considered more important than aesthetics with critical infrastructure such as OLE.
I am the eternal optimist and will bet you a tenner it will be filled with electrical goodies before 2030
Surely Series 1 rather than Series 2 is needed otherwise the MML north of Market Harborough and south of Clay Cross would be limited to 100mph (re Alstom CLever)That'd give quite the patchwork quilt of OLE systems between London and Sheffield then! Mk3 St Pancras to Bedford, Master Series (Series 1 and Series 2) Bedford to Market Harborough, Alstom CLever (admittedly not a million miles away from Series 2, visually at least) from Market Harborough to Clay Cross, and then SNCF LGV style stuff from Clay Cross onwards!
Not quite as simple as that - the idea (from what I remember) is to make use of both series to make the most of their respective strengths. For example, where linespeed is less than 100mph (ie everywhere on the slow line(s) and also the immediate areas around Kettering and Welingborough stations) , you can switch to series 2 style SPS, with series 1 SPS elsewhere. Similarly you can also make use of series 2 support structures which are generally far less visually intrusive than the series 2 stuff.Surely Series 1 rather than Series 2 is needed otherwise the MML north of Market Harborough and south of Clay Cross would be limited to 100mph (re Alstom CLever)
Well, strictly speaking, the OLE south of Bedford is British Rail Mk3 OLE from BR's OLEMI range, so it wouldn't be Series 2.Is it much of a job, time wise and money wise to upgrade the OLE from Series 2 to 1, south of Bedford?
They'll benefit from improved reliability, but they're a 100mph max EMU and I doubt that they'll be upgradedIf the wires get upgraded south of Bedford do class 700's benefit or just the EMT future trains that we have no specifics on yet?
Seems a shame given that they also run up the ECML, that 110mph units like the later 350s weren’t procured.They'll benefit from improved reliability, but they're a 100mph max EMU and I doubt that they'll be upgraded
Seems a shame given that they also run up the ECML, that 110mph units like the later 350s weren’t procured.
Not sure how much difference it would make materially, but possibly the fastest trains could run on the fast lines, and of course a help through Welwyn.
Very little. The difference between 100 and 110 is 3 seconds a mile; because of the various PSRs and allowing for acceleration / deceleration, it would save at most half a minute for a 700 on one of the faster services.
considering most of the new wiring north of bedford is also sub 100mph
Not quite as simple as that - the idea (from what I remember) is to make use of both series to make the most of their respective strengths. For example, where linespeed is less than 100mph (ie everywhere on the slow line(s) and also the immediate areas around Kettering and Welingborough stations) , you can switch to series 2 style SPS, with series 1 SPS elsewhere. Similarly you can also make use of series 2 support structures which are generally far less visually intrusive than the series 2 stuff.
The only example we've seen so far of master series (AFAIK) is around Bromsgrove which has series 1 in the station, but series 2 just outside (and elsewhere on the scheme)
considering most of the new wiring north of bedford is also sub 100mph, you won't get a great deal of extra time improvement.You will gain on acceleration versus meridien or dmu.
might get a few seconds between st P and bedford to clear the fast paths.
might be ok if it's St P, st Albans, luton,bedford,wellingborough(on the slows) kettering, corby.
8 car instead of 5 is a very healthy bonus though
I saw some masts have gone up on the Corby lines between Glendon South Junction and the bridge over the A43 adjacent to Prologis Park Kettering.
I think a few masts / TTCs have gone up South of Weetabix on the slow lines (Burton Latimer)
I saw a lot of piling alongside the up fast between Wymington and Souldrop.
Also, the lack of any activity at Wellingborough Station is starting to suggest to me that the slow line platforms won't be done when the Corby services go electric? Anybody know the timescale for new Platforms 3 and 4 at Wellingborough?