multiple breaks of journey on Manchester Metrolink

[185143]

can you make multiple breaks of journey on a standard off peak return or would I need to purchase a travelcard to do this?

 

[maniacmartin]

A ticket either permits unlimited breaks of journey or it permits none at all. For a standard off-peak return, this depends on the ticket's restriction code, which depends on what the origin and destination stations printed on it are.

Can you gives us more detail on the ticket and the journeys that you wish to take?

 

[185143]

A ticket either permits unlimited breaks of journey or it permits none at all. For a standard off-peak return, this depends on the ticket's restriction code, which depends on what the origin and destination stations printed on it are.

Can you gives us more detail on the ticket and the journeys that you wish to take?

Would that apply to Metrolink as well? I thought that restriction codes only applied to National rail.

If so, Rochdale to Altrincham alighting Shaw, Oldham, Market Street and Brooklands. Return would be direct, with the necessary change.

 

[maniacmartin]

I should read post titles before wading in! Will have to defer to someone else regarding Metrolink as I don't know

 

[Muzer]

I think he probably missed the Metrolink in the title (you didn't mention it anywhere in the actual post)

I did a quick google, apparently the only criterion is that for the out portion, you have to complete the entire journey in ninety minutes (there are no restrictions for the return). I don't know how true this is as it's from another poster on this forum quite a while back.


(Also, I can't remember last time I went - how do they know when you've started your journey? Are there mainland-Europe-style validators? Or is it actually ninety minutes from when the ticket was bought at the TVM?)
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Just found a credible source:

To make
a journey
between two
specific stops on the network
for one
day only, choose

Return Tickets. Remember that


you must complete your
outward
journey within 90 minutes
of buying
your ticket.

www.metrolink.co.uk/Documents/PocketGuide.pdf‎

(Sorry for the weird formatting, that PDF is odd)

 

[sheff1]

Isn't a Travelcard the cheapest fare for this journey anyway ?

 

[bb21]

can you make multiple breaks of journey on a standard off peak return or would I need to purchase a travelcard to do this?

Do you mean when holding a through ticket from a National Rail station to a Metrolink destination and vice versa?

 

[andyb2706]

Hi Muzer is right, an outward journey of a return ticket has to be completed within 90 minutes. No time limit(except that it needs to be completed on the same day of course) on the return journey so I can not see how a "no break" policy can be enforced on the return leg. The link below is to the offical Metrolink tickets FAQ page.

http://www.metrolink.co.uk/contactus/Pages/Tickets.aspx

 

[Muzer]

Presumably if disruption occurs the 90 minutes restriction is waived?

Also, are there no end-to-end journeys where 90 minutes might be pushing it a bit even without a break? (Seems surprisingly short for me...)

 

[maniacmartin]

I can not see how a "no break" policy can be enforced on the return leg.

Whether something is able to be practically enforced does not affect its actual validity

 

[andyb2706]

Presumably if disruption occurs the 90 minutes restriction is waived?

Also, are there no end-to-end journeys where 90 minutes might be pushing it a bit even without a break? (Seems surprisingly short for me...)

Actually Altrincham to Rochdale might be pushing close to the 90 minute rule, not done that run yet so I can not confirm it yet. Although if you are doing that run it may be better to get the day travel card as it is the same price but gives you the flexibility to do what ever you want
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Whether something is able to be practically enforced does not affect its actual validity

I fully understand what you are saying but would your return ticket be valid if for example you went to Bury to meet some friends and then via some other form of transport ended up in Radcliffe and went for the tram back to Manchester from Radcliffe instead of Bury. Technically you have not broken your return leg because you have not even started it. That is what I mean when I say can a "no break" policy be practically be enforced because no one in their right mind is going to buy a single from Manchester to Bury and then Radcliffe to Manchester as the cost is astronomical.

Anyhow that is just a rhetorical question as I do not think any of us can answer the original question that has been posted, so I have e-mailed Metrolink on the general enquiries and are waiting a response from them. As soon as I know anything I will post a reply here.

 

[Starmill]

Do you mean when holding a through ticket from a National Rail station to a Metrolink destination and vice versa?

This makes for an even more interesting question. I'm not personally convinced that the ticket restrictions of through-tickets apply to the Metrolink services. Do the NRCoC apply there? No.

If you buy a return Metrolink ticket, it says on it that its valid until 'End of Service' and then the date. Of course, the 90 minute rule for the outward journey still applies but... I have a strong feeling that if you buy a ticket - even a single - from a Metrolink TVM to any of the 'Rail Zones', it still says its valid until the 'End of Service' too. They couldn't very well say that that national rail journey has to be completed within 90 minutes could they?

In any case, with possible multiple changes and the delays which plague Metrolink there's every reason for some journeys to take more than 90 minutes these days. The limit will have to be revised before the Airport line opens (as will the suitcase policy!) so I say get on with it sooner rather than later...

 

[bb21]

The part of the journey on National Rail will be subject to the NRCoC. There is no doubt about it, and the relevant Conditions of Carriage will apply to the part on Metrolink.

If it is a through single/return ticket, then I would imagine relevant time restrictions will apply on the Metrolink part of the journey for the relevant portion. (Enforceability is another issue.) The only complication would arise out of period return fares but do such fares exist? My understanding is that only Day Returns exist so this might not be a problem after all.

 

[Starmill]

The part of the journey on National Rail will be subject to the NRCoC. There is no doubt about it, and the relevant Conditions of Carriage will apply to the part on Metrolink.

If it is a through single/return ticket, then I would imagine relevant time restrictions will apply on the Metrolink part of the journey for the relevant portion. (Enforceability is another issue.) The only complication would arise out of period return fares but do such fares exist? My understanding is that only Day Returns exist so this might not be a problem after all.

http://brfares.com/#faredetail?orig=WML&dest=SRF&rlc= &rte=43&ldn=0&tkt=FOR

You mean like those...? Note the route...

However it occurs to me that it's difficult for Metrolink staff to enforce the time restrictions on yellow tickets, but with a ticket like that, it'd actually be impossible.

 

[andyb2706]

I have had a reply from Metrolink in regards to breaking your journey on a return leg of your journey. Their response is below. I hope this answers the question.


"Yes you can break your journey on the return leg just not on your outgoing journey.


Regards


Customer Services

Metrolink House, Queens Road, Manchester M8 0RY

T. 0161 205 2000 F. 0161 205 8699"

 

[Manchester77]

I don't know how they'd check though unless PSRs are onboard and see the origin isn't the station have just got on at. I'd imagine that a lot of us metrolink enthusiasts must have broken it especially when new lines are opening! I know I have. But even for none enthusiasts surely its a bit silly as say if you're going to do a bit of shopping or something and you want to go to Chorlton and then see a film alighting at East Didsbury that'd break the rule idk

 

[bb21]

http://brfares.com/#faredetail?orig=WML&dest=SRF&rlc= &rte=43&ldn=0&tkt=FOR

You mean like those...? Note the route...

However it occurs to me that it's difficult for Metrolink staff to enforce the time restrictions on yellow tickets, but with a ticket like that, it'd actually be impossible.

Yes, these are the type of tickets I had in mind.

Enforceability would be a major issue.