My idea for a new transpennine route

[waterboo]

Would a new route from Scarborough & Hull to Stoke-on-Trent (or further down to Stafford) be feasible?

It would reduce the need to connect at Manchester from stations such as Stockport, Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent, to reach Leeds/York. Additionally if these services were 1tph, it would strengthen services on the hull and Scarborough branches, eliminating the need for northern to provide a shuttle service to Scarborough.

I have embedded an image (albeit a poor illustration) of what the route look like on a map.

Note: This is an idea that assumes that there are no rolling stock constraints.

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[Merseysider]

Interesting.

Would you run this as 2x 3car joining at Leeds? Or 1tp2h alternating between the two destinations?

Presumably you aren't getting rid of the SCA-LIV trains, so this will need additional pathing, yes?

It'd be good to see Hull getting an additional tph, but is northern Staffordshire really the biggest market for journeys to/from Hull?

 

[D6975]

Where's the additional path across the Pennines coming from? It will be at full capacity when the next service pattern change takes place.

 

[mike57]

Well it would help once all the Scarborough services go via Man Vic.

I know why they are moving Scarborough services, but its going to add to journey time to a lot of South of Manchester destinations, its back to the bad old days of having to do the Vic-Pic shuttle. My guess is at least 20 minutes and may be more will be added to journeys such as Stockport from the Scarborough branch. (I personally do Seamer - Stockport probably monthly, I know one passenger doesnt make a case for a new service).

It wont happen, no more paths through Leeds - Man axis.

Maybe they will revive Stalybridge - Stockport service, after all reason for this was to avoid Pic - Vic transfer.

I actually think all the Transpennine plans are flawed, and are not going to deliver what people want-

Northern Transpennine 6 trains per hour is going to fall apart very quickly even if there are minor delays. IMO they should lengthen platforms where needed and run 4 longer trains per hour.

The skip stop idea west of Huddersfield is not going to be popular with either commuters or passengers using TPE as an Inter City Service.

Routing everything through Man Vic is going to lengthen journey times where a change in Man Pic is required

Electrification seems to be as far off as ever

Current rolling stock cannot take advantage of differential speed limits, and dont think new stock will be able to either

Current rolling stock is not suitable for an Intercity service which is what TPE is

Sorry to be negative, but I use Northern TPE every day, and can only see current problems getting worse.

 

[waterboo]

It may perhaps be a 'pie in the sky idea', but if pathing through the pennies is at capacity, perhaps the service I suggested can take over the current NT stopping service from Stalybridge to Huddersfield, making the cross pennine route exclusively for FTPE. This would be handy in disruption.

In terms of frequency. Joining/splitting services would be an operational nightmare in disruption, therefore the 1tp2h, alternating on each branch would be more appropriate.

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[Bertie the bus]

So you'd avoid Manchester in order to serve Stoke!?

Sorry, but a silly suggestion just like the ones that pop up every now and again about running services that avoid Leeds and York to make it quicker for somebody from Dewsbury to get to Thirsk and the like.

 

[northwichcat]

So you'd avoid Manchester in order to serve Stoke!?

If it served Stockport and was an additional service (not a replacement for an existing service) maybe it's not as stupid as you might think. Some morning VT services to Euston can get more passengers boarding at Stockport than at Piccadilly. A lot of people who travel via Piccadilly to get to Yorkshire only have to go in to Manchester because there isn't a faster way avoiding Manchester.

 

[Nean]

If it served Stockport and was an additional service (not a replacement for an existing service) maybe it's not as stupid as you might think. Some morning VT services to Euston can get more passengers boarding at Stockport than at Piccadilly. A lot of people who travel via Piccadilly to get to Yorkshire only have to go in to Manchester because there isn't a faster way avoiding Manchester.

If memory serves correctly it's usually cheaper to get a taxi and go from Stockport heading London/south-wards in the peaks from most of south Manchester due to not going through Piccadilly.

 

[6Gman]

The suggestion seems to mean:

a) an extra path through Standedge;
b) an extra southbound path Heaton Norris to Stoke;
c) an extra northbound path Stoke to Heaton Norris, with conflicting movements at Cheadle Hulme and H Norris.

All of which seems ... challenging.