- 3 Feb 2013
If there were routes from London to Nuneaton at 21:30 via Bedford, the booking engines did not know about it.There were easements in place allowing Avanti Advance ticket holders to travel via Bedford. In many cases these were being sold on itineraries where the only Avanti leg was the replacement bus between Rugby and Kettering, or between Milton Keynes and Bedford.
That said, if you did not want to use this bus, I am sure there would also have been other tickets which would have enabled you to travel via Leicester without needing to split and/or for less than what you paid.
This was for an event booked and paid for in May 2021. If I'm following you correctly, you're saying that my cheaper choice was not to need to travel at a time when trains are normally running? That's not really a constructive contribution, is it? Your first argument about capacity is reasonable. Your follow-up line saying I made a choice to pay more, was a needless jibe.I have no idea, but part of life is planning around what you want to do and sometimes accepting that your choices have an added cost.
Where did you start from?When the West Coast Mainline is closed for engineering south of Rugby, why are there no easements to allow Nuneaton-London travel via Leicester? Last weekend I had to buy two separate, and much more expensive, tickets for a much longer journey. Seems unreasonable.
Central London on Bank Holiday Monday 2 May. Event finished just after 21:00 and I needed to get home to Nuneaton. Via Leicester with a ticket split at Hinckley was the cheapest option I could find. No options via Bedford were coming up.I travelled back via Bedford & MKC with a Bow Brickhill - London Zone 1-6 travelcard route Bletchley
Where did you start from?
I think you mean via Rugby (as you would also be going via Bedford in order to change at Leicester)? In which case I would agree - the last itinerary via Rugby appears to have been on the 20:45 EMR service from St Pancras, changing at Bedford and Milton Keynes.If there were routes from London to Nuneaton at 21:30 via Bedford, the booking engines did not know about it.
I'd suggest a ticket from Hinckley to London. Available both as route via Nuneaton and Any Permitted (which is valid via Nuneaton or Leicester). You'd need to call at Hinckley and buy an additional ticket between Nuneaton and Hinckley/vice versa, but it's fair bit cheaper than splitting at Leicester for example. Or you could split at Luton Airport Parkway or Kettering.Given that this closure happens quite often, I'd love to know how to find these cheaper tickets via Leicester. Trainsplit and other websites don't seem to know anything that is cheaper than what I pay when the WCML is open.
I agree; it's frankly embarrasing. The rail industry comes up with all sorts of excuses as to why it's OK to charge more for a slower and more inconvenient journey during engineering works. I suppose at the root of it is the fact that most TOCs would rather that passengers didn't travel at all during the engineering work.This was for an event booked and paid for in May 2021. If I'm following you correctly, you're saying that my cheaper choice was not to need to travel at a time when trains are normally running? That's not really a constructive contribution, is it? Your first argument about capacity is reasonable. Your follow-up line saying I made a choice to pay more, was a needless jibe.
I maintain it's unreasonable for the rail industry to expect passengers to pay more for a longer route than usual, when that is the only one available because of planned closures.
Well, you hadn't previously mentioned that it was something you'd booked so far in advance, but I'm afraid that there are always risks with doing that. We can all be caught out by things like that, and at least you had an alternative even if it was at higher cost.This was for an event booked and paid for in May 2021. If I'm following you correctly, you're saying that my cheaper choice was not to need to travel at a time when trains are normally running?
Surely it depends how you interpret ‘Didcot and beyond’? Oxford is beyond Didcot via Swindon, but not via the Cotswold line. Could it be the easement is only meant to apply to the latter?over the weekends of the 16/17 and 23/24 July 2022, customers travelling from Ledbury, Colwall, Great Malvern, Malvern Link, Worcester Foregate Street, Worcester Shrub Hill and Worcestershire Parkway to Didcot and beyond. With tickets priced on routes (00799) LONDON EVESHAM, (00805) VIA EVESHAM and (00433) AP EVESHAM, may travel on trains via Stroud or Cam & Dursley. This fare route easement applies in both directions.There are buses between Charlbury and Moreton-in-Marsh then. The data for the easement is more restrictive than the text, as it does not show the easement as applying to journeys via Oxford (as with a Worcester-Oxford Parkway ticket)
Given it refers to tickets routed via Evesham it would be difficult to argue that Oxford is beyond Didcot.Surely it depends how you interpret ‘Didcot and beyond’? Oxford is beyond Didcot via Swindon, but not via the Cotswold line. Could it be the easement is only meant to apply to the latter?
Entry / exit points to the tube leg for tickets marked with a Maltese Cross.Cross-London journey changes:
Cross-London transfers may now be made from Abbey Wood (ABW), Balham (BAL), Battersea Park (BAK), Brixton (BRX), Canada Water (ZCW), Greenwich (GNW), Lewisham (LEW), Limehouse (LHS), Queenstown Road (Battersea) (QRB), Shadwell (SDE), Stratford International (SFA), West Brompton (WBP), West Hampstead Thameslink (WHP), Whitechapel (ZLW) and Woolwich Arsenal (WWA).I don't know what effect this table has.
Haven't looked into it but I think that one is different as it's an interavailable route? I.e. it's not technically a "cross-London" Underground journey.It shows a through ticket as being valid with changes at Greenford and South Ruislip, whereas neither is listed in this one.
If an easemeent is implemented in a fairly straightforward way (as this one is), "beyond Didcot" means "somewhere you go through Didcot on the way". If you take advantage of this easement to travel via Bristol Parkway and/or Swindon to Oxford Parkway, then you will pass through Didcot on the way.Surely it depends how you interpret 'Didcot and beyond'? Oxford is beyond Didcot via Swindon, but not via the Cotswold line. Could it be the easement is only meant to apply to the latter?
That's what they are, but not what they do. I know that, if I search for a journey from West Brompton to Ealing Broadway on nre.co.uk, it won't suggest I use the District Line, simply because the data it uses doesn't mention that route.Entry / exit points to the tube leg for tickets marked with a Maltese Cross.
I don't know anything about that, sorry. I do notice that "via Greenford" tickets don't have a Maltese Cross on them, so maybe the decision to do that was based on similar reasoning.Haven't looked into it but I think that one is different as it's an interavailable route? I.e. it's not technically a "cross-London" Underground journey.
This seems to be an example of a route permitted by the 3-mile rule being overruled by an easement. (Eastleigh to Southampton Airport Parkway being 1.25 miles one way or 2.5 miles return.)700993 (Doubleback) Customers travelling to Chandlers Ford or Romsey on journeys that travel via Winchester may not doubleback between Eastleigh and Southampton Airport Parkway. This circuitous route easement applies in both directions.This is a negative double back easement, although the routeing guide states that those are always positive. nre.co.uk may have implemented it as a circuitous route one instead, as the site appears to block some routes because of it which don't involve a double back. Other web sites may have implemented it in a different way.
The double back via Southampton Airport Parkway remains useful, even if it needs different tickets, as it makes a return journey between Chandler's Ford and London around 45 minutes shorter.
Yes, most of these journeys would have been accepted going "the wrong way around the loop" in the past. If that's the route I'm thinking of.700997 (Local) Customers travelling from Cardenden, Lochgelly, Cowdenbeath, Dunfermline Queen Margaret, Dunfermline Town and Rosyth to Kirkcaldy, Glenrothes with Thornton, Markinch, Dalgetty Bay, Aberdour, Burntisland, Kinghorn and Ladybank may travel via Inverkeithing. This local easement applies in both directions.The rail service in Fife has been reduced, with the service to Glenrothes with Thornton becoming an hourly train to Edinburgh via Dunfermline, with a few extras. This easement goes some way to compensate for this by making through tickets valid on a longer route via Inverkeithing.
They aren't available in the DTD feed yet either, so journey planners won't be implementing them yet.The data files for these changes aren't available on opendata.nationalrail.co.uk, and I can't see any evidence of them on their journey planner, so it may take a couple of days before they start to affect what web sites do.
0700 includes the changes @kieron mentioned re map EU and easement 700999. I don't recall the feed lagging like this before - does it happen often?A new set of data came out on the DTD feed yesterday evening. I don't know if this is the update above or something else, though.
That was the data for that update, and there were no nasty surprises in it.
701000 (Circuitous Route) Customers on journeys from or via Ash Vale that also include travel via Farnborough Main may not travel via Woking. This circuitous route easement applies in both directions.
While the easement doesn't specify an order, Ash Vale-Woking-Farnborough (and reverse) is probably the most useful one affected by this easement. You can still change at Brookwood for this sort of journey, but that usually makes journey opportunities slower and less frequent.
701001 (Fare route) During engineering work diversion on Saturdays 06 August, 13 August, 03 September and 10 September 2022 tickets priced on fare route (00099) NOT VIA DARLINGTON will be valid for travel via Darlington
A line closure west of Huddersfield means the service to Middlesbrough will be reduced. This easement may reduce the inconvenience for passengers.
It would be helpful to me, if you could state which TOC applied the easement for the NOT via Darlington fares during this period of reduced service frequency. Thanks.
Agreed, just means someone from Winchester/Salisbury will need to change trains at Basingstoke to catch the stopper to Brookwood then change to an Alton train. Whereas previously they would have stayed on to Woking (assuming the train called there) changing over to an Alton train at Woking to save quite a bit of time (depending on connections).This change will cause aggravation to passengers from Alton, Farnham and Aldershot heading west. For many, many years they've changed at Woking to go to Southampton, Salisbury, Bournemouth etc and I doubt they will change their habits now.
The "old" rule as I understand it (and I don't know how it was coded in journey planners) was that these passengers were required to change at Brookwood for stations to Basingstoke, but were allowed to continue to Woking for journeys to stations west of Basingstoke. As far as I can see, no fares were being undercut by permitting this, so this change is unhelpful to say the least.
Just means more people will ignore the railway and use a car, or will simply change at Woking with the risk of running into a RPI when changing platforms.
I would imagine RPIs will get a brief to say tickets for stations on the Alton branch (Ash Vale etc) are not valid at Woking if from Farnborough or other stations west....who will do nothing, as almost nobody knows the minutea of the Routeing Guide on the ground, unless eticket scanners have started querying it? It's really just turned into a way of influencing what journey planners show (within reason).
I don't think RPIs will get any such briefs. The level of staff information over fares and ticketing changes is generally very limited.I would imagine RPIs will get a brief to say tickets for stations on the Alton branch (Ash Vale etc) are not valid at Woking if from Farnborough or other stations west.
(I've seen RPIs in operation on the bridge at Woking before, checking tickets)
I don't see how is it reasonable to double back between Brookwood and Woking to make a change.I don't think RPIs will get any such briefs. The level of staff information over fares and ticketing changes is generally very limited.
The bigger issue here is that reasonable and fastest routes are being barred.
I don't see how is it reasonable to double back between Brookwood and Woking to make a change.