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HighlanderAB

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Evening folks,

Currently filling out the online application for scotrail. What can I expect on the assessment days if I’m successfull? I’ve seen one day is paper and the 2nd more practical? What does the paper one consist of? Any maths questions etc

Thanks in advance!
 
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Stigy

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Evening folks,

Currently filling out the online application for scotrail. What can I expect on the assessment days if I’m successfull? I’ve seen one day is paper and the 2nd more practical? What does the paper one consist of? Any maths questions etc

Thanks in advance!

What role have you applied for? It'll vary depending on the role. If it's a driver/guard role, the assessments are pretty generic across the board, but for other oles it very much depends on the specific company.
 

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Evening folks,

Currently filling out the online application for scotrail. What can I expect on the assessment days if I’m successfull? I’ve seen one day is paper and the 2nd more practical? What does the paper one consist of? Any maths questions etc

Thanks in advance!

Hi @HighlanderAB,

As @Stigy said, it's difficult to say without knowing what role it is. This message refers to Trainee Train Driver. For any other role, please disregard this message.

I've posted this experience and advice elsewhere:

I attended an assessment day with a TOC which accepts national standards.


I understand that many TOCs have around 20-25 people taking the tests on that day. The TOC which assessed me, however, assesses fewer people at once (8 were due to attend but only 5 did). Of the 5 who attended, two worked for the TOC in guard or ticket office roles, and at least one of the absentees, too.


The TOC should have e-mailed you an information pack telling you what tests would be conducted, the procedures for them and giving your ideas for practice before the day.


The tests are designed to be psychometric, hence they assess your capabilities. I saw that when doing the tests. There are some people I know who I think could practice full time and still never pass. It assesses innate abilities, although, of course, some practice in advance can help you a little.


Initially, we were asked to wait in a waiting room. We were asked 1-by-1 to go into an interview room where our identity, including NI number, was checked. We were also given a colour-blind test. In this test, you have to read the numbers which you can see in circles made of different colours. Warning: There are some trick ones! There are no numbers on some of them - don't try finding one; just say you can't see one!


When that was conducted, we were taken to a room where we each had a desk with stationery provided. I brought my own pens which I usually use which I find comfortable.


The first test was the Group Bourdon Test. This is the test which most people find the hardest and I recommend that you spend most time practising. You need to find groups of four dots. There's a downloadable online tool: https://www.railforums.co.uk/attachments/bourdon-zip.36183/. I initially started doing it online and then moved on to printing and doing them on paper. You do get used to the patterns of dots on the tool, and they are different on the actual test, although the skills are transferrable. There are various people on this forum who quote how many lines you need to complete and how many errors you can make to pass. I was doing about 9 or 10 lines on the printouts from the tool with only 1 or 2 mistakes per page and I passed. Be very sceptical of people who say you need to complete 14 or 15 lines with no more than one mistake! (Of course, some TOCs require enhanced testing, which may require slightly more.) There was also a practice section at the start. The practice grids in the information booklet were less helpful than the tool (using letters rather than dots).


We then had a break while the test was marked. One person was asked into the interview room to be told that he failed so he was sent home.


The next test was the Test of Everyday Attention (TEA-Occ). This measures attention to multiple things and how well you can multi-task.

Part 1 required us to listen to beeps (some with low tones, others with 'high' but I'd call them moderate-to-low). You will need to count just certain tones (can't remember if it was low or high). An example is available here, but there weren't so many tones for each question: https://traineetraindriverinfo.com/low-tones-test-track-1/

Part 2 required us to do some simple telephone directory work. I think it was finding companies in a particular trade with a rating of three stars and with a phone number with a particular area code. It wasn't rocket science and probably doesn't need much practising, but it is designed to make you work quickly. You might not finish and don't need to.

Part 3 was the hardest, combining both part 1 and part 2. You hear number 1 read out and a number of beeps (only one tone this time). You need to write the number down when told. This continues. At the same time, you have a telephone directory task similar to part 2. You are told that both parts are of equal importance. You must use different pens for both tasks. When doing it, I got a good sense that I was truly multi-tasking. It's a good test, actually!

The booklet gives you some activities to help you. Recognising symbols probably isn't too difficult for most people. If you have somebody who could play patterns of two tones on a keyboard or piano (written down first so the answers can be assessed), that might help you, and also if they can play similar tones while they asked you to do a reading task / telephone directory task / wordsearch. However, I didn't practise much for this test and I know some others didn't either, and we passed.


The next test was the Trainability for Rules and Procedures Test (TRP), Part 1 which assesses how well you can learn new things. The railway rulebook is huge for a start, and you will also need to learn about fault finding and repairing, not to mention route knowledge. We were given a two-page information sheet explaining how "GLOP" is applied to the rails using a locomotive and application vehicle operated by a driver and a guard, including what controls there are, the colours and locations of them, when they should be used, the signalling system between the driver and guard, etc. We also heard a recording of this. We then had to hand back the information sheet and answer questions on the procedure. I found this quite easy, but some people don't pick up new information well, especially when there are lots of details. They give a very clear example in the booklet sent before the day.

Part 2 is sometimes known as the “dials” test. You get sets of 3 dials with pointers pointing to the number on each dial, and you have to put them in order (I believe starting with the largest). However, each dial has a different number range (one might go from 0-150 and another might go 0-500) so in that example, halfway on the dial going up to 500 would read '250' but the whole way on the dial going up to 150 would be only '150'. You have 43 questions to complete in 8 minutes and I don't think that anybody ever completes them all. Apparently, you are scored for correct answers but not penalised for wrong answers.


The final written test was the Written Communication Test (WCT), although I understand that this is no longer compulsory and some TOCs no longer do this. We were given a cartoon strip showing a taxi booking, a taxi picking a person up on time, delays on the route, and arrival at destination late. We had to write what happened. The only thing that matters is clarity so your writing needs to be legible, but not necessarily neat. You do not need to write in sentences - bullet points are acceptable. Grammar and spelling is not important if it does not obscure meaning. You can continue to look at the cartoon strip during the test - you do not need to turn it over or have it collected. I have been told that almost 100% pass this test - if your handwriting is legible and you can convey a simple story, even just in bullet points, you're fine!


Again, we were sent to the waiting room while the tests were marked - this took a long time (almost an hour, I think)!


The final tests were the computerised tests. There might not be one computer per person so some people might have to take the test while other people are waiting.


I think the first computerised test was the ATAVT Perception Test. You will view a picture of a street scene for approximately 0.5-1 second. You will then have to choose from the list (pedestrians; motor vehicles excluding motorcycles; bikes, motorcycles or scooters; road signs; traffic lights) what was in the picture. There might be as few as one or as many as five in any one picture. Many pictures are busy scenes and you will notice the presence or absence of some things, but for most of the time, you will not be certain that you have got them all right - there will be some guesswork or subconscious decision-making involved. This will suit people who are observant and can process quickly.

This video will give you a good idea of the test, but I think the pictures disappear more quickly in the assessments than shown on this video:

Asking a friend or family member to download some pictures from the internet and test you on them (giving you only a brief peek) might help.


I think the second test was the 2Hand Co-Ordination Test. You will have two joysticks, one will only go up and down, and the other will only go left and right. You have to control a ball around a track trying not to let it go off of the grey track, which includes curved sections. You will hear a screech when it does. This is repeated many times. It is aimed to be difficult and most people will not keep it on the track all the way around. We all thought we did really badly on this!


The final test was the WAFV (Vigilance) Test. You will see a grey square flashing on the screen. When it changes colour to a different shade of grey, you press the large green button as quickly as possible. This continues for 30 minutes, sometimes for long periods between changing. Also, your eyes imagine it changing when it doesn't. It's a good assessment because if you can't concentrate on being vigilant for 30 minutes, being in charge of a train might not be a good idea! When your eyes lose focus, move closer to or further away from the screen. Also, surprisingly, the colour changes aren't random but pre-programmed. Therefore if one person starts their test, another starts two seconds later and another starts two seconds later, you will hear the first person press their button, then about two seconds later the next person, and another two seconds later the next person.


We were then asked to wait in the waiting room again while the results were generated.


Finally, we were congratulated for passing the tests and advised about the next procedures in the application process. We were also given some basic pieces of advice for the DMI.


Hope that this is helpful. Feel free to ask any further questions!

Usually, if assessments are all done on the same day (as above), the MMI will be done on a different day.

If assessments are done over two days (as in your original post), it's likely that all the pen and paper tests will be done on day one. On the second (not usually consecutive) day, you will usually do all of the computerised tests and the MMI.

The above experience does not refer to ScotRail, but the assessments above are standard (not TOC specific).

Hope that this is helpful.
 

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Go over your document you've been sent, the more time spent practicing the better, looking to increase speed and accuracy. If successful you'll have a managers interview then if successful another assessment day which will be all computerised then a mmi interview. Practice practice.
 

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Go over your document you've been sent, the more time spent practicing the better, looking to increase speed and accuracy. If successful you'll have a managers interview then if successful another assessment day which will be all computerised then a mmi interview. Practice practice.
I’ve never known a DMI to be before the MMI or stage 2? Doing it this way sort of defeats the object and wastes time as they could say you’re successful but then you could fail the other parts of the process anyway.
 

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I’ve never known a DMI to be before the MMI or stage 2? Doing it this way sort of defeats the object and wastes time as they could say you’re successful but then you could fail the other parts of the process anyway.

Scotrail do it this way!
 

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I’ve never known a DMI to be before the MMI or stage 2? Doing it this way sort of defeats the object and wastes time as they could say you’re successful but then you could fail the other parts of the process anyway.

Some TOCs do all assessments except MMI one day, then DMI another day and MMI another day.

I had assessments > DMI > MMI, as have some others on this forum.

Agree though that I've never known a TOC do computer assessments after either interview - I don't think that happens.
 

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Some TOCs do all assessments except MMI one day, then DMI another day and MMI another day.

I had assessments > DMI > MMI, as have some others on this forum.

Agree though that I've never known a TOC do computer assessments after either interview - I don't think that happens.
It happens I've just been through it!
 

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Some TOCs do all assessments except MMI one day, then DMI another day and MMI another day.

I had assessments > DMI > MMI, as have some others on this forum.

Agree though that I've never known a TOC do computer assessments after either interview - I don't think that happens.
I know it happens the way you described now I think about it. I just found it strange about the stage 2 being after the DMI. I’ve had a DMI before an MMI before but was told the DMI was the MMI....all very confusing :)

At the time I didn’t think much of it as it was for a depot driver role so I assumed it was because of this (I didn’t have the xlerience with the process I’ve since gained lol). Generally, at my TOC it goes: All assesments in one day apart from the MMI. Then DMI on a separate day altogether.
 
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I’ve never known a DMI to be before the MMI or stage 2? Doing it this way sort of defeats the object and wastes time as they could say you’re successful but then you could fail the other parts of the process anyway.
The same could be said regardless of the arrangement of the process. A candidate could pass all tests and MMI, but then in the DMI it's deemed they're unsuitable (bad work ethic or attitude, doesn't integrate well in teams, doesn't have a good understanding of what's expected in the role, etc.).

I guess each TOC has their own way of doing things, which they think best fits their structure and recruitment resources.
 

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The same could be said regardless of the arrangement of the process. A candidate could pass all tests and MMI, but then in the DMI it's deemed they're unsuitable (bad work ethic or attitude, doesn't integrate well in teams, doesn't have a good understanding of what's expected in the role, etc.).

I guess each TOC has their own way of doing things, which they think best fits their structure and recruitment resources.
I see what you’re saying, but what I was saying or meant to say, is that as the MMI is part of the assesment process whereas the DMI isn’t. If one is successful at their DMI and offered a job, they could then still fail the MMI. If somebody passes all assessments including the MMI and then is offered a job, all that’s holding them back is the medical and references. Seems better sense to cut out the middle man and not introduce the DMI until the assesments have been passed.
 

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I see what you’re saying, but what I was saying or meant to say, is that as the MMI is part of the assesment process whereas the DMI isn’t. If one is successful at their DMI and offered a job, they could then still fail the MMI. If somebody passes all assessments including the MMI and then is offered a job, all that’s holding them back is the medical and references. Seems better sense to cut out the middle man and not introduce the DMI until the assesments have been passed.
You dont get to do the mmi and 2nd assessment if you don't pass the DMI interview
 

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If the MMI follows the DMI are the questions usually the same?
The questions for MMI are competency based and very structured. There’s a few standard questions typically (out of 10 or so, the TOC will use 6...or 5? Can’t remember exactly). With the DMI, it’ll still be competency based, but each TOC or FOC has their own questions they ask, although all will be of a similar nature and based around safety and customer service.
 

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The questions for MMI are competency based and very structured. There’s a few standard questions typically (out of 10 or so, the TOC will use 6...or 5? Can’t remember exactly). With the DMI, it’ll still be competency based, but each TOC or FOC has their own questions they ask, although all will be of a similar nature and based around safety and customer service.
That's great thank you.
 
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