New rail study suggests reintroducing direct train service between Great Yarmouth and

[WestCountry]

Not sure there is capacity on the ECML for an hourly King's Cross to Norwich service given that the two per hour fast KX-Cambridge services will both in the near future project to King's Lynn. Unless they intend for a 4 coach EMU to attach to one of the King's Lynn-KX services at Cambridge thereby avoiding the need for an extra path through Welwyn.

I believe the second hourly Lynn service will be an extended Liverpool St - Cambridge, rather than another King's Cross one.

 

[Bald Rick]

I believe the second hourly Lynn service will be an extended Liverpool St - Cambridge, rather than another King's Cross one.

You can believe what you like, but the off peak 2nd hourly Lynn service will be operated by GoVia Thameslink from Kings Cross. If it happens.

 

[dk1]

You can believe what you like, but the off peak 2nd hourly Lynn service will be operated by GoVia Thameslink from Kings Cross. If it happens.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Class 170101]

You can believe what you like, but the off peak 2nd hourly Lynn service will be operated by GoVia Thameslink from Kings Cross. If it happens.

Agree with this.

AGA are very unlikely to serve Kings Lynn beyond what they do today. I would suggest their electric services will go no further north than Ely mainly to serve demand between Ely and Cambridge particularly but not exclusive to Cambridge Science Park and to improve connections at Ely.

 

[Suraggu]

With ERTMS available paths should increase and with most GTR service to plunge into the thameslink tunnel platform space at KGX will increase.

Mind you a Norwich -KGX express service, Il wait till pigs learn to fly.

 

[al.currie93]

Unless they intend for a 4 coach EMU to attach to one of the King's Lynn-KX services at Cambridge thereby avoiding the need for an extra path through Welwyn.

I generally feel that more use of attachments and detachments will solve many capacity issues that we have at the moment

 

[andrew bell]

Indeed. The A12 takes up pretty much the whole formation down to Gorleston.

As someone who spent 4 happy years in Gorleston, living literally the first house behind what was then the Station Hotel, and a stones throw from the old railway line which became the A12 relief road shortly after my family moving there, I feel reasonably qualified to speak on transport matters affecting that part of the world.

As I pointed out, the old railway line became a road so the most direct route from Yarmouth to Lowestoft can't be resurrected. I therefore see absolutely no attraction of travelling via Reedham, when, as someone pointed out, there are 8 buses an hour between the two towns.

When I lived there it was the 601/2/3 buses (from memory), all of which took ages due to their routes via Hopton and Corton, so maybe then a rail alternative would have been attractive. Bus travel has come on leaps and bounds in that area in recent years, and the X1 has certainly blown any benefit of a direct rail route from Yarmouth to Lowestoft out of the water. If faster links between the two towns are needed, then maybe divert some of the X1's via the A12 Gorleston Relief Road.
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The X1 will never be diverted from Gorleston High Street, at anytime of the day it's well used, even with the I think 18 buses per hour during the day between there and Yarmouth, and the 8 or so an hour to Lowestoft. Plus the X1 only real diversion between Gorleston and Lowestoft is a housing estate between the high street and James Paget hospital, apart from that it's on the A12 from there to Lowestoft

 

[CockneySparrow]

Not sure there is capacity on the ECML for an hourly King's Cross to Norwich service given that the two per hour fast KX-Cambridge services will both in the near future project to King's Lynn. Unless they intend for a 4 coach EMU to attach to one of the King's Lynn-KX services at Cambridge thereby avoiding the need for an extra path through Welwyn.

Can the train not go the other way rather than Welwyn

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The X1 will never be diverted from Gorleston High Street, at anytime of the day it's well used, even with the I think 18 buses per hour during the day between there and Yarmouth, and the 8 or so an hour to Lowestoft. Plus the X1 only real diversion between Gorleston and Lowestoft is a housing estate between the high street and James Paget hospital, apart from that it's on the A12 from there to Lowestoft

I am glad to see that someone has highlighted the excellent service frequency of the X1 service and of the actual route taken by it.

 

[Trainfan344]

Add on the fact that it has new buses, and a pre-existing customer base then it seems stupid to try and introduce a rail service...

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Can the train not go the other way rather than Welwyn

Considering that this thread concerns a most localised rail project between the two closely-related settlements of Great Yarmouth and Lowestoft, comments about Welwyn seem to be a most novel extremely long middle-section route diversion...:roll:

 

[Trainfan344]

Paul, this thread concerns the rail study posted at the beginning of the thread, he was replying to a post about the proposed Norwich to KX service

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Paul, this thread concerns the rail study posted at the beginning of the thread, he was replying to a post about the proposed Norwich to KX service

Thank you for this. Perhaps a separate thread should now be set up to allow discussion upon the matter of a proposed Norwich to KX service.

 

[anti-pacer]

The X1 will never be diverted from Gorleston High Street, at anytime of the day it's well used, even with the I think 18 buses per hour during the day between there and Yarmouth, and the 8 or so an hour to Lowestoft. Plus the X1 only real diversion between Gorleston and Lowestoft is a housing estate between the high street and James Paget hospital, apart from that it's on the A12 from there to Lowestoft

Does the X1 go via the Magdalen Estate?

My point about missing Gorleston High Street out was in the event of demand dictating faster links from Yarmouth to Lowestoft, they could have a bus that travelled non-stop via the A12. This was meant in addition to, not instead of, current services. That said, 18bph is a hell of a lot! Even in my days of Blue Buses, the red Eastern Counties, and also the legendary Flying Banana's, I'm sure there was never that many. Some major cities would be envious of that frequency.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Even in my days of Blue Buses, the red Eastern Counties, and also the legendary Flying Banana's, I'm sure there was never that many.

As a brief aside, remembering some past days long gone now, was it Flying Banana who operated one of the very few examples of an open-top minibus?

 

[anti-pacer]

As a brief aside, remembering some past days long gone now, was it Flying Banana who operated one of the very few examples of an open-top minibus?

I don't recall any in Great Yarmouth.