New TPE timetable

[mike57]

I notice that in the new timetable some TPE Newcastle services are running non stop York Durham.

Is this to speed journeys up, or to reduce loadings.

On a similar note I use 16:50 Preson - Man Ox Rd and this doesn't stop at Wigan, I assume this is because it is often standing only when I join at Preston, so missing Wigan out stops it being totally rammed

 

[SeanG]

Do they use the main lines at Darlo. If so that offers a much easier chance to clear them

 

[swt_passenger]

These (TPE) are presumably the small number of extra extended services from York that are over and above the previous timetable, the inability to make all the normal calls has been pointed out before somewhere, I'll see if I can find it: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?p=2658624&highlight=darlington#post2658624

 

[55z]

The extra TPEXp York to Newcastle running non stop York to Durham are generally booked through platform 4 at Darlington not stopping. The avoiding line is not available as there is an arrival /departure into platform 1 at Darlington clashing. Also I think a XC train is hard on the heals of the 185. Details on REALTIME TRAINS.
Yeaterday (wednesday on the 0826 Manchester Piccadilly to Newcastle went through platform 4 at Darlington non stop. First Group playing at being silly sods again - no seat reservations and train cancelled Manchester Airport to Piccadilly - only just managed to get a seat.

 

[glbotu]

I'm curious about the asymmetry. Why do the Northbound services stop at Durham, where the Southbound services stop at Darlington?

 

[swt_passenger]

I'm curious about the asymmetry. Why do the Northbound services stop at Durham, where the Southbound services stop at Durham?

Have you a typo in one direction there?

Is it because one platform at Durham is on a loop and the other is not?

 

[glbotu]

Have you a typo in one direction there?

Is it because one platform at Durham is on a loop and the other is not?

I certainly do have a typo (now fixed).

But nope, 1P24 leaves at 1227, the next train is 1E82, departs at 1233, which also stops.

The same is true for the rest of them too. If "loops" were the issue, you'd also expect it to be a Southbound fast at Darlington, you can pass the station on the Mains with no conflicts (except possibly the Tees Valley Metro).

 

[swt_passenger]

I certainly do have a typo (now fixed).

OK, then I guess my first answer is no longer relevant! I wonder if it is explained in the track access application, but after searching skip stopping isn't actually mentioned, they simply state the trains all call at Durham and Darlington...

 

[Starmill]

It seems most of the trains booked to pass through the platform at Darlington are doing so. Certainly I did on Sunday, which was a bit odd. The 1203 fro York Sundays only does not call anywhere as it has a tight turnaround at Newcastle. There is one evening one on the down that is booked on the main though, so interesting to see if that's what that does.

 

[Class 170101]

Do they use the main lines at Darlo. If so that offers a much easier chance to clear them

1P52 17:25 Manchester Piccadilly to Newcastle - DML Darlington

 

[mike57]

It seems most of the trains booked to pass through the platform at Darlington are doing so. Certainly I did on Sunday, which was a bit odd. The 1203 fro York Sundays only does not call anywhere as it has a tight turnaround at Newcastle. There is one evening one on the down that is booked on the main though, so interesting to see if that's what that does.

But surely southbound using the avoiding line at Darlington is going to reduce clashes with other services where as Northbound it would cross the path of anything southbound out of Darlington. noted that 12:03 ex York on a Sunday is timed for 57mins to Newcastle, 84mph av speed, not bad for a 100mph max train.

Reading the replies it seems that skipping stops is more to do with timetabling than loading on these services.

On my other example in my OP skipping Wigan I am certain this is due to loading. I use it may be once a week, and its always very busy, and there is a Virgin service stopping at Wigan at 16:58 so a lot of the Wigan passengers would try and cram into the 16:50 if it were to stop there. Very often guard announces 'Next stop Man Ox Rd' or Not calling at Wigan before closing the doors. Saw one couple get off sharpish at that point.

 

[Barracuda]

It's to do with paths and what is available. In the Down going through Platform 4 vice DM can be done if something is in the Up is calling at Darlington as it removes conflicts at the north and south end, you can also run parallel into the bays from Dinsdale and route through Platform 4 non-stop in the down. If there's a clear path trains will route DM. If it's shown DM or UM then it should route that way with ARS.

It takes slightly longer non-stopping the platform vice DM (well it should do...) but still quicker than stopping and it can make a difference between getting a path and not.

 

[Senex]

It takes slightly longer non-stopping the platform vice DM (well it should do...) but still quicker than stopping and it can make a difference between getting a path and not.

The S&C north and south of Darlington is now pretty good for getting to and from the platforms quickly, but what is the speed actually through the platforms for a non-stopping train?

 

[Barracuda]

According to the Appendix 90mph down to 35mph for turning left into the station, rising to 50mph country end of Platform 4 to 125mph once back on the Down Main.

The Pass to Pass sectional running times from Northallerton to Darlington and Darlington to Ferryhill South Junction will both assume the fastest route through the section, i.e. Down Main throughout, so if going through Platform 4 there should really be some adjustment time added to allow for the braking, slower speed and acceleration back to line speed.