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GNRi1959

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I have been a steam fanatic for years and only now am i taking an interest in the rolling stock of NIR.

What locos would i expect to see on the Bangor line in a daily basis?

Can you give loco type and possible numbers please.
 
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None - the only loco hauled passenger trains in NI are the cross-border Enterprise service, operated by GM 201s.
 

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None - the only loco hauled passenger trains in NI are the cross-border Enterprise service, operated by GM 201s.
Indeed, other than the occasional special by the RPSI at Whitehead, the Enterprise and the rare engineering trains are the only examples of loco haulage in the north. Everything else is now in the capable hands of NIR’s CAF C3K (3000 class) and 4CK (4000 class) DMUs (or railcar’s as they are known in Ireland).
 

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Sorry, when i said locos, I should have said DMUs.
also, are there any published or scheduled ballast trains operating on the Bangor line? I don’t live there, i simply visit my daughter there and normally go to Bangor west for pictures.
 

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Everything else is now in the capable hands of NIR’s CAF C3K (3000 class) and 4CK (4000 class) DMUs (or railcar’s as they are known in Ireland)

Excuse the Newbie question but is there any difference in terms of what they are allocated to?

(given that they are both three coach 90mph units)

Last time I was over was the era of the 450s etc, so a lot has changed!
 

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Excuse the Newbie question but is there any difference in terms of what they are allocated to?

(given that they are both three coach 90mph units)

Last time I was over was the era of the 450s etc, so a lot has changed!
The 3000s are preferred for to longer-distance work - such as Belfast-Derry/Portrush as they have two toilets and more table seating, but 4000s were certainly diagrammed two out-and-back Derry line workings a few years ago, so I suspect it's relatively academic.
 

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The 3000s are preferred for to longer-distance work - such as Belfast-Derry/Portrush as they have two toilets and more table seating, but 4000s were certainly diagrammed two out-and-back Derry line workings a few years ago, so I suspect it's relatively academic.

Cheers for confirming - I guess it goes against the experiences in Great Britain where the higher the unit class the more likely they are to run longer distance services!

Certainly a fleet transformed since I was last there, impressive stuff
 

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Certainly a fleet transformed since I was last there, impressive stuff
Indeed. It's unrecognizable from even 15 or so years ago, same goes for the IÉ fleet.

The NIR network has always fascinated me, in particular the rolling stock used. Flickr's 6089Gardener has a wide selection of pics of it from throughout the 90s to more or less the present day. Attached below are two of my personal picks from this part of his collection:

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450 class aka Castle class no. 456 Gosford Castle erupts as it leaves Larne Town with the 1420 from Larne Harbour to York Road - 26th August 1991

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NIR Hunslet 101 class No. 101 (formerly named Eagle) with a ballast train crosses over with IÉ 071 class No. 077 at Belfast Central as it runs round it's train to prepare to take out the 1100 to Dublin Connolly - 27th August 1991

The 450s in particular are a curiosity. In many ways looking for all the world like a 'budget' Class 210 but with the soundtrack of a Thumper, some similarites can also be drawn with the 442s, in that key components from a withdrawn or soon to be withdrawn class were salvaged and reused in both the Wessies and the Castles. Either that, or you could say the 450s in concept/execution predated the Class 424 prototype by about a decade.
 
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Excuse the Newbie question but is there any difference in terms of what they are allocated to?

(given that they are both three coach 90mph units)

Last time I was over was the era of the 450s etc, so a lot has changed!
Some of the 4000s are now six car sets. Seven units are in the process of being extended.

At times in the past the 3000s have worked cross-border services beyond Newry, though I don't know if that's still possible.
 

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Some of the 4000s are now six car sets. Seven units are in the process of being extended.

At times in the past the 3000s have worked cross-border services beyond Newry, though I don't know if that's still possible.
Yes NIR railcars do operate to Dublin from time to time (Rugby extras and Enterprise replacement services etc). Cross border trains need to have compatibility with both systems signaling systems. I don’t think all railcars have that, but some certainly do as I have travelled on them.

As far as longer distance operation is concerned, it’s true that the original publicity said the 2 toilet units would be used on longer distance trains. The reality (I use the Derry – Belfast service) is that both versions are used everywhere. Assume it’s down to what’s available.
 

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I don’t think all railcars have that, but some certainly do as I have travelled on them.
Only C3K units 3001-3006, these have CAWS and IÉ communications equipment to permit use into the Republic. No C4Ks are so-fitted.


As far as longer distance operation is concerned, it’s true that the original publicity said the 2 toilet units would be used on longer distance trains. The reality (I use the Derry – Belfast service) is that both versions are used everywhere. Assume it’s down to what’s available.
I had a read of a piece on the trains in a magazine and it says the C4Ks were intended as:

13 units to replace the remaining 80 Class and the 450s.

5 units for six-car strengthening.

2 units for the Derry Line frequency increase

So it appears 4000s were intended to operate to Derry all the time anyway.
 

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Only C3K units 3001-3006, these have CAWS and IÉ communications equipment to permit use into the Republic. No C4Ks are so-fitted.
Certainly during the last two years, there have been periods where all Enterprise services were railcar operated. As I discovered to my cost!
 

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Certainly during the last two years, there have been periods where all Enterprise services were railcar operated. As I discovered to my cost!
IÉ have four 5-car 22000 Class ICR "Premier" sets and seven 3-car sets which are equipped with AWS/TPWS and NIR train radio for working into the North. Since "Premier" class was withdrawn from all InterCity routes except Dublin-Cork and the one through Dublin-Tralee service, there are plenty of surplus "Premier Class" 22000s - I imagine IÉ would probably use those exclusively to Belfast instead of the 201/D-D sets if given the opportunity.
 
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