Northern 150/3

[northernchris]

I've stumbled across a recent Freedom of Information request for unit diagrams for the May timetable change, and it appears that there are to be 6 150/3 diagrams with them working Rochdale - Blackburn / Clitheroe services. Obviously Northern currently have 150001 and 150002 so it looks like there's to be some reforming coming up soon.

Train Diagrams - a Freedom of Information request to Northern Trains Limited - WhatDoTheyKnow

 

[HSP 2]

What is a 150/3? I know of 150/0, 150/1 and 150/2s.

 

[Mack91]

Be interested to see how they form these. Split a few 150/2 sets up and place each carriage into a 150/1 set?

 

[185]

Good lord, this was suggested in the 90s - taken 20 years to do, although the idea then was to make a pile of 4-car sets, by -

- splitting a /2
- reverse those /2 coaches and couple them together cab to cab
then
- split a /1
- stick the /2 coaches in the middle of the /1 coaches

...as this creates not only a totally walkable train, but one that could also quickly be temporarily split in the centre in case of failure, nice dry cabs at each end too.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Does 150/3 not mean 3 car 150 (150/0) or a 150+153 combination? After all, there has been a 153 on almost every diagram to Clitheroe for the past number of months now.

 

[warwickshire]

Be interested to see how they form these. Split a few 150/2 sets up and place each carriage into a 150/1 set?

150209 to get split to form another two.
Leaves another one to split into another two more.

 

[43172]

Maybe placing a 153 in the middle of a 150/1, given that 153's are always coupled to a compliant unit and with cabs at both ends it means that a train could continue in service as a 2 car if required.

 

[skyhigh]

Maybe placing a 153 in the middle of a 150/1, given that 153's are always coupled to a compliant unit and with cabs at both ends it means that a train could continue in service as a 2 car if required.

Nope, it's splitting of 150/2 and placing a carriage in the middle of another 150/2, or so we've been told.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Nope, it's splitting of 150/2 and placing a carriage in the middle of another 150/2, or so we've been told.

GWR did this before, didn't they? Though I think they've been put back the way they were now. They also I think did it with 158s.

If you had a 153 it'd be easier to put it on the end than sandwich it.

 

[PHILIPE]

GWR did this before, didn't they? Though I think they've been put back the way they were now. They also I think did it with 158s.

If you had a 153 it'd be easier to put it on the end than sandwich it.

GWR 158s have the odd vehicle formed from splitting a 2 Car 158 and bolting it on the end of another one. The 3 Car 150s were formed by putting the odd toilet less 150/2 cars (2) which came about by losing their partners to collision damage necessitating their withdrawal. Central formed up 3 Car 150 formations by splitting 2 Car Sets and there were placed in the middle.

 

[jonesy3001]

Which numbers will they have,
150/0, 150/1 or 150/9?
Personally I hope they keep there own numbers just change the middle car number.

 

[fgwrich]

GWR 158s have the odd vehicle formed from splitting a 2 Car 158 and bolting it on the end of another one. The 3 Car 150s were formed by putting the odd toilet less 150/2 cars (2) which came about by losing their partners to collision damage necessitating their withdrawal. Central formed up 3 Car 150 formations by splitting 2 Car Sets and there were placed in the middle.

However, GW did have the odd few temporary 150/9s formed up of accident damaged 150/2s, with 938 Being one of them.

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[JonathanH]

If you go far enough back, Regional Railways North West operated 150133-150142 as 3-car 150 units with split 150/2 cars back in the early 1990s.

I think that all of the 50 150/1s, only 18 units 150101/02/20/23/24/28-32/43-50 have not operated as 3-car units.

 

[Kite159]

I bet the users of the Clitheroe can't wait to get downgraded from 2+2 seated 156/158 + 153 combos to 3+2 seated 150s.

 

[Wyrleybart]

I bet the users of the Clitheroe can't wait to get downgraded from 2+2 seated 156/158 + 153 combos to 3+2 seated 150s.

That will be the same Clitheroe whlch lost it's service in the Beeching cuts and went without for 30 years.

 

[Ant158]

They have recently been extending the platforms at Ramsgreave and Wilpshire Station on the Clitheroe line to accommodate 4 car trains. This seems like a waste of money and time if the route is to retain 3 car trains.

On another note, I wonder if this plan to split 150/2 units has anything to do with the smaller number of them allocated to the west side services at the moment?

Losing the 158s especially from the line is a backwards move. Though most Clitheroe line users will be used to mainly class 150 sprinters with some class 156 runs (pacers were banned from the line for a long time) as they are all that used to operate the line until a few years ago.

 

[Starmill]

I bet the users of the Clitheroe can't wait to get downgraded from 2+2 seated 156/158 + 153 combos to 3+2 seated 150s.

To be fair, 150s have been going there for a really very long time now.

They have recently been extending the platforms at Ramsgreave and Wilpshire Station on the Clitheroe line to accommodate 4 car trains. This seems like a waste of money and time if the route is to retain 3 car trains.

On another note, I wonder if this plan to split 150/2 units has anything to do with the smaller number of them allocated to the west side services at the moment?

Losing the 158s especially from the line is a backwards move. Though most Clitheroe line users will be used to mainly class 150 sprinters with some class 156 runs (pacers were banned from the line for a long time) as they are all that used to operate the line until a few years ago.

I don't think there's any suggestion that there won't be four cars going there in the future. There are other routes too, including the Penistone line, where Northern need 3*20m sets.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

That will be the same Clitheroe whlch lost it's service in the Beeching cuts and went without for 30 years.

What relevance is that? Just because they got their railway service back that was wrongfully taken away from them, doesn’t mean they should be so grateful that they accept a considerable downgrade in rolling stock

 

[Sprinter107]

If you go far enough back, Regional Railways North West operated 150133-150142 as 3-car 150 units with split 150/2 cars back in the early 1990s.

I think that all of the 50 150/1s, only 18 units 150101/02/20/23/24/28-32/43-50 have not operated as 3-car units.

150143 - 150150 have all worked as 3 car units, between approximately 1988 and 1993. Some had more than one different centre car, as they seemed to swap them about.

 

[RPI]

Central trains/London midland had loads of them, they were only re formed back to two cars when they went off lease to FGW, apart from, as posted above, vehicles 57209 and 212 which were "orphaned" after losing their 52 vehicles in accidents.

 

[Class172]

Central trains/London midland had loads of them, they were only re formed back to two cars when they went off lease to FGW, apart from, as posted above, vehicles 57209 and 212 which were "orphaned" after losing their 52 vehicles in accidents.

Yes, I can’t remember how many there were but they were all numbered in the 150/0 series (I believe I recall numbers going up to at least 150018). The central cab doors made for a very convenient way to get on/off the train quickly when other passengers were jostling to get on busy services.

 

[JonathanH]

Yes, I can’t remember how many there were but they were all numbered in the 150/0 series (I believe I recall numbers going up to at least 150018).

Central Trains formed up 150003-19/22 - the departure of the 'Anglia' 150/2s to Wales in 2007 led to a need to put some back into 2-car formations.

 

[physics34]

Does 150/3 not mean 3 car 150 (150/0) or a 150+153 combination? After all, there has been a 153 on almost every diagram to Clitheroe for the past number of months now.

Thats what i was thinking. It might just be the way they have written it on the diagrams. Sometimes companies do things their own way.

 

[skyhigh]

Does 150/3 not mean 3 car 150 (150/0) or a 150+153 combination? After all, there has been a 153 on almost every diagram to Clitheroe for the past number of months now.

No. There's more diagrams than there are 150/0s so it can't be meaning those. If it was 150+153 the diagram would say 150/1 and there would be a matching diagram with 153. Each unit has it's own diagram (and specifies if it's coupled to another unit diagram).

 

[jonesy3001]

150003 to 150006 are the numbers for the future 3 car 150/0s, car 57209 is being prepped as a middle car for 150116 and renumbered 150003.

 

[fgwrich]

150003 to 150006 are the numbers for the future 3 car 150/0s, car 57209 is being prepped as a middle car for 150116 and renumbered 150003.

I wonder if that'll mean 57209/212 will end up receiving a fresh coat of paint as a result, unless the large Blue swoop is vinyl?

 

[jonesy3001]

150209 has lost its obstacle deflector, BSI coupler, which is replaced by a solid bar coupler ready for insertion as a middle car.
Source from the sprinter group on facebook.

 

[Geeves]

150112, 116, 117 and 147 are the /1s

209/212 and 224 are the /2s

150003, 0004, 0005 and 0006 on the cards for renumbered units.

 

[Ryry]

150003 is a gwr unit isn't it so that should be somewhere on the network

 

[PHILIPE]

150003 is a gwr unit isn't it so that should be somewhere on the network

GWR haven't had any 150/0s for 2 years now and which were 150001 and 150002. These were prototype units so 150003 doesn't now exist but will shortly as explained.