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Northern ask travellers not to view adult content on trains

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Porn shouldn't be watched in a public space full stop but I would hope otherwise people would show some common sense as to what is suitable for the time of day and be mindful of the age of fellow passengers. So maybe watch a 15 age rated film on the train home packed with commuters but not on the way to work with school children but if a child does sit next to you then stop.
 
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So maybe watch a 15 age rated film on the train home packed with commuters but not on the way to work with school children but if a child does sit next to you then stop.

If it's a film maybe apply some common sense. Films with 15 and 18 certifications can have actors in them that are younger than that age. It can be one section of a film that makes the difference between being a PG and having an age restriction. If you're watching the section of the family having dinner together at home, there's nothing wrong with that. If it's the section where the mum gets kidnapped it's a different matter.
 

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Northern are pretty clearly telling you not to do this.

It’s perfectly clear to most people what Northern are trying to say.

Does beg the privacy question of, "Well, don't look at my device then!"

Oh come off it. So you’d sit on a train, with hard core porn playing on your device, and if a child saw it your response to their parents would be: “they shouldn’t have looked at my device?”

If you’re in a public space you have *no* expectation of privacy, and you cannot act as you would in the privacy of your own lounge/bedroom.

So Northern block all porn sites on their wifi. I can just use cellular data via my phone, pre download material to my iPad or whatever or do it the old fashioned way and take a copy of Hustler or Readers Wives with me. Either that or play the uncut DVD of ‘9 Songs’ or ‘Blackeyes’ starring Gina Bellman on my laptop.

I’m afraid obtuse responses like this prove exactly why this kind of press release is increasingly necessary.

If it's a genuine problem they're trying to address, they would be better off having posters at stations and on trains, and encouraging guards to make relevant on-train announcements. You don't get press releases touting "see it, say it, sorted" or 61016, do you? It's that sort of issue.

Well perhaps they will need to do so in future if it continues to be a problem. The first step is raising awareness - as I say, there are posters that deal with this sort of thing on TfL. I’d rather they weren’t there, but clearly there is a problem that needs addressing.

It doesn't, but it has a bearing on whether the public see Northern (and the wider railway) as professional, and whether they see them as owning their failures and committing to fix them. The public impression of the railways is that nobody cares - a proper apology and some humility, rather than lecturing the 99% who wouldn't dream of doing this sort of stuff, would go a long way.

So you think the Northern “PR department” shouldn’t do anything but endlessly apologise for poor service (much of which is no doubt down to the DfT). If you look at their news feed there are articles about electrification, using economists to assess travel patterns, a guard that helped find some missing children etc. this is par for the course for most modern businesses. You’ve conceded that putting out that kind of information (or not) has no bearing whatsoever on improving the service, so I’m not sure how you can argue this is evidence of misplaced priorities.

As for lecturing people, the reality is that 99% of passengers wouldn’t dream of sexually harassing someone on their way to work, yet Northern have a section of their website telling people this isn’t acceptable and to report it if they see it. Would you suggest that should be removed? I can’t see how this is much different!

I don't understand why Northern aren't just straight up saying "don't watch or consume pornography on board our trains". It removes any ambiguity. Things like John Wick aren't suitable for children (people's brains are visibly sprayed everywhere in all 4 films) but it'd be ridiculous to say that watching it on board a train isn't allowed. Some of Northern's routes are long enough to watch a film on them (York - Blackpool, Manchester Airport - Barrow/Windermere, Leeds - Carlisle), so banning films would be silly. Having said that, I wouldn't advise watching A Clockwork Orange in a public space.

Because it isn’t just pornography. It’s certain videos on Tiktok, sketches with offensive jokes, violent films being played loudly. The point they’re making is be aware of who is around you and, if you’re in any doubt as to what is acceptable, behave as you would at work.

Not difficult to understand, you would surely think!
 
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You've lost me there - but I defer to your greater experience!

There's a meme knocking around on various universities' headed letter paper instructing students not to, er, enjoy themselves in the lavatories as it blocks the pipes (or some such). They're all fake but they've been done for all manner of universities.

There's also the fake P&O Ferries one instructing people not to use the toilets for cottaging, with a rather amusing French translation.

I'll not link either here but it doesn't take long with Google to find them.
 

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Will they ban OnlyTrains and TrainHub ?

Sorry a little light humour.


People won't say anything now for fear of assault or worse and the ones playing videos/music/content out loud don't care and are the ones that will try to fight you for stopping them doing what they want.
 

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I don't doubt that there are some people who engage in this sort of inappropriate behaviour, but it speaks volumes that Northern are the only TOC who have engaged in this sort of PR campaign; they have also been outliers on other similar issues. You just get the impression that someone in their PR department feels the need to make a name for themselves and hasn't a clue how to do professional press releases.


If it's a genuine problem they're trying to address, they would be better off having posters at stations and on trains, and encouraging guards to make relevant on-train announcements. You don't get press releases touting "see it, say it, sorted" or 61016, do you? It's that sort of issue.


It doesn't, but it has a bearing on whether the public see Northern (and the wider railway) as professional, and whether they see them as owning their failures and committing to fix them. The public impression of the railways is that nobody cares - a proper apology and some humility, rather than lecturing the 99% who wouldn't dream of doing this sort of stuff, would go a long way.

Northern's PR department just don't have a clue.
I like your posts as you seem very informative - especially in the fares forum however i think your ire towards northern for this is way off the mark. This is becoming a massive problem in society( i deal with some of these people in my line of work) and with young people nowadays watching this stuff on public transport and indeed the only real stories on google will tell you back in 2017 the amount of arrests had trebeled - granted only a small number but i can assure you it has risen so i applaud nothern, for all their other faults, for finally putting something like this out there - all the local northern papers are running with it.

This alongside their sexual abuse campaign is to be rewarded no matter how poorly you may think its worded. for once try and focus on the message and not how it may be presented.

And i really hope other train operators follow suit with somethign similar
 

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The cases of actual porn being watched are probably minimal.
People looking at selfies, memes, youtube etc and maybe sharing them with their travelling companions might not think the stuff 'explicit' so reminding them that it might still be adult content not suitable for those around them is fair enough. There would be loads of Ukraine footage that isn't suitable/wanted for many, if not most, people.
Also gets in that they have wi-fi available....
 

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This thread is bonkers! :lol: Some of the mental gymnastics are absurd. I particularly like how some seem to think Northern's PR team should get a hi-viz on and go and drive some trains. The fact it needs saying at all is what we should all be losing our minds over!

I can't say 20 minutes can be considered particularly accidental, but there are several "memes" out there where a poorly lit or soundtracked video are designed to make you turn it up, look closer, etc, before cutting to some... exuberant activity - a harmless prank in your house, can be a nightmare in public if you're without earphones!

EDIT: I presume, although I don't know, that this press release has come from them reviewing the filter's activity. 10,000 requests to access pornography is probably noteworthy, for example.
 

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This thread is bonkers! :lol: Some of the mental gymnastics are absurd. I particularly like how some seem to think Northern's PR team should get a hi-viz on and go and drive some trains. The fact it needs saying at all is what we should all be losing our minds over!

Well, quite!
 

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I'll never forget the day several years ago now when as a guard, on a busy morning commuter service I had to tap a passenger on the shoulder and inform him that he hadn't plugged in his headphones fully.

The entire carriage had enjoyed/endured the audio of the "adult movie" he was watching on his way to work ..
 

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I remember years ago that Three used to publish a list of the top ten most popular websites searched for on mobile devices. What Three never said in the press releases was that they filtered out certain searches. Pornographic sites were quite high up in the list.

I think saying NSFW material isn't for public areas is perfectly fine. Sure most people get that already, but plenty don't. Plenty of people these days seem to be totally and utterly unaware of the impact on other people for anything they do.
 

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Don't most mobile operators block adult sites unless you go into the store and embarrassingly request it unblocked.
 

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Don't most mobile operators block adult sites unless you go into the store and embarrassingly request it unblocked.

Yes, I think it is the default and you can unblock by making a small payment on a credit (not debit) card.
 

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The PR team will have certain objectives and one of which will be to get newsworthy coverage. They've done their job with this one, as it has got some widespread press and generated quite a bit of discussion. I commend them for that.

As for the issue of inappropriate viewing habits, sadly I've witnessed it a number of times on Northern and Avanti services. Usually people trying to watching something discretely, that you might catch a glimpse of, but on a couple of occasions highly visible and audible stuff. I certainly raised it with staff, who then sorted it directly. Had I not been within proximity to staff, I probably would have commented directly as they were upsetting other passengers.
As others have said, the issue here isn't the press release, but the lack of social decorum.
 

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Will I no longer be able to read Viz magazine in a northern train? I think I'll wrap it up in Private Eye magazine whilst enjoying the adventures of Fru T Bunn and his randy gingerbread ladies.
That should fool 'em!
 

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I confess to not really being sure why this has to be said. The press release genuinely leads with the expression "wait till you get home" in the headline. Wait for what o_O
The Indecent Displays (Control) Act of 1981 states that: “If any indecent matter is publicly displayed the person making the display and any person causing or permitting the display to be made shall be guilty of an offence.” https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-parish-broke-law-by-watching-porn-in-commons
 

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No they don’t. You can however set a parental filter with many operators.
I'm pretty sure all networks agreed to impose the adult filter by default, but if you're clearly an adult and buy a phone/SIM on contract then they'll either ask or perhaps lift the block at the point of sale. Buy a prepaid SIM to activate at home (or online) and it will be barred.

The adult filter is not just porn sites. It includes gambling and more. Details of which are likely available from the network or Ofcom.
 

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I'm pretty sure all networks agreed to impose the adult filter by default, but if you're clearly an adult and buy a phone/SIM on contract then they'll either ask or perhaps lift the block at the point of sale. Buy a prepaid SIM to activate at home (or online) and it will be barred.

The adult filter is not just porn sites. It includes gambling and more. Details of which are likely available from the network or Ofcom.
Female colleague - "I innocently googled that (ordinary thing with very different meaning sometimes....) and got some surprising images!"
Me - "So you turned family filter off then?"
Her - "errrr no, must have been default"
Me - "Nope, you have to change it"
Her "errr....errrr...."
 

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I think you're talking about Google safesearch, which isn't a filter set at network level. If you access Google on an O2 hotspot (and likely many others) you'll notice that safesearch is enabled and you can't turn it off (bar using a VPN).

In any case, that's irrelevant to my point which is the block is on by default and you either ask for it to be removed, and have to prove you're over 18, or the sales operative does it because you are clearly over 18.

I'm certain that all Icomera based onboard Wi-Fi also filters content and forces safesearch - as well as blocking many file sharing services (including Google Drive).
 

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"At work" is a relatively poor test, of only because whilst it might be perfectly clean I would be concentrating on what I was doing and wouldn't want a distraction. Also unsolicited (and unexpected) pop-up applications have been known including adult material due to virus-like program activity.

I think you're talking about Google safesearch, which isn't a filter set at network level. If you access Google on an O2 hotspot (and likely many others) you'll notice that safesearch is enabled and you can't turn it off (bar using a VPN).

In any case, that's irrelevant to my point which is the block is on by default and you either ask for it to be removed, and have to prove you're over 18, or the sales operative does it because you are clearly over 18.

I'm certain that all Icomera based onboard Wi-Fi also filters content and forces safesearch - as well as blocking many file sharing services (including Google Drive).

Is there video blocking as well (like Youtube) over issues like data usage rather than content? Hence people with a cellular data plan might want to use that instead.
 

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I think streaming services were once blocked entirely but now they can simply deliver a lower quality bitstream. I guess that's down to each TOC, but many will encourage people to access content stored locally on the train (something IC operators do, not your suburban commuter services).
 

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I think you're talking about Google safesearch, which isn't a filter set at network level. If you access Google on an O2 hotspot (and likely many others) you'll notice that safesearch is enabled and you can't turn it off (bar using a VPN).

In any case, that's irrelevant to my point which is the block is on by default and you either ask for it to be removed, and have to prove you're over 18, or the sales operative does it because you are clearly over 18.

I'm certain that all Icomera based onboard Wi-Fi also filters content and forces safesearch - as well as blocking many file sharing services (including Google Drive).
No there is filter set by networks on phones which is usually on by default. I never managed to get my three Internet filter off (Too embarrassed to walk into a store) but I did with o2
 
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