Not Stopping in correct position

[jonf14]

Can I ask what does this mean, train delayed by not stopping at correct position in the station?!

 

[dk1]

Can often mean it’s overshot the station or stopped short & released doors.

It may not necessarily be that train that’s done it.

 

[manmikey]

Some through platforms have more than one place for trains to stop at , so you can get 2 or 3 shorter units onto a long platform. It's possible that if the train doesn't stop at its booked place it can't then get off the platform again, it could for instance get "buried in" by another train.

Ipswich is a good example it has 3 berths on each of its through platforms, on platform 2 for instance there is 2A, 2B and 2C

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Also could have stopped on the AWS grids. Drivers at New St have to be very aware of this.

 

[dk1]

Also could have stopped on the AWS grids. Drivers at New St have to be very aware of this.

Do you mean TPWS grid? Would be an AWS magnet.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Do you mean TPWS grid? Would be an AWS magnet.

Yes, sorry. Was meant to put a / between them

 

[dk1]

Yes, sorry. Was meant to put a / between them

No problem. Both can cause issues mate.

 

[voyagerdude220]

It was a Northern one which overran Heald Green.

 

[FManc]

There’s been a few station overruns this evening (Heald Green, Cheadle Hulme and Styal) due to the very poor railhead conditions in the North West/Manchester area.

 

[Northerngirl]

Saw the opposite today at Huyton, 319 stopped with only the front 2 cars at the platform, but after a bit of yelling from the driver it rolled to the right place

 

[Horizon22]

Whilst overruns are something that whilst not common are also not completely rare at this time of year, 50 minutes to resolve the issue seems like quite a long time.

 

[Rail Quest]

There’s been a few station overruns this evening (Heald Green, Cheadle Hulme and Styal) due to the very poor railhead conditions in the North West/Manchester area.

Wonder why it's particularly bad today. My 150 was slipping like mad on the mid-cheshire line this evening as well. I also noticed there seemed to be a lot more leaves flying out from underneath the train this evening. Could the particularly strong winds this afternoon have blown a load of leaves onto the tracks and caused some bonus slippage?

 

[Train_manager]

Also could have stopped on the AWS grids. Drivers at New St have to be very aware of this.

No AWS at New st.

 

[CHAPS2034]

Wonder why it's particularly bad today. My 150 was slipping like mad on the mid-cheshire line this evening as well. I also noticed there seemed to be a lot more leaves flying out from underneath the train this evening. Could the particularly strong winds this afternoon have blown a load of leaves onto the tracks and caused some bonus slippage?

A weather front went through the South Manchester area about 1630-1645.

Wind was gusting up to 35mph for a short while and went round towards a more northerly point. The temperature dropped by 2 degrees in 10 minutes and the whole thing was accompanied by around 20 minutes of that nasty penetrating drizzle.

No doubt this all changed the adhesion conditions in a very short time as there are still plenty of leaves still on many trees.

 

[185]

Wonder why it's particularly bad today.

My guess, the leaves have started to turn mouldy, so the green stuff is flying around, the last few days everywhere has been constantly damp without drying and the odd rain shower has led to railhead conditions of double red... think going to the ice rink but wearing roller skates thinking it's gonna be fine.

In my experience, the leaves aren't ever on the line, that's a poor description by the railways - it's actually tree & leaf mould, the bright green stuff on garden fences.

As for this thread, when I read the title, I made the assumption first that a certain signaller at Piccadilly has been playing train jenga again... 11 empty bay platforms and 8 trains dumped back to back on platform 6 with passengers all boarding the wrong set.

 

[M60lad]

Out of interest what actually happens in this instance when a train overruns a station? What's the actual procedure when this happens as I know a train can't reverse back into a station?

Was it this that caused most of the problems at Manchester Piccadilly last night as according to Realtime Trains quite a number of trains in/around Manchester area were running heavily delayed or cancelled?

 

[EZJ]

Wonder why it's particularly bad today. My 150 was slipping like mad on the mid-cheshire line this evening as well. I also noticed there seemed to be a lot more leaves flying out from underneath the train this evening. Could the particularly strong winds this afternoon have blown a load of leaves onto the tracks and caused some bonus slippage?

RHHT (RailHeadTreatmentTrain) had failed and lots of areas around Manchester had not been treated. Ironically it was a wheel slip issue.

 

[dk1]

RHHT (RailHeadTreatmentTrain) had failed and lots of areas around Manchester had not been treated. Ironically it was a wheel slip issue.

Been a few incidents that way with wheelslip I’ve heard.

 

[driver9000]

Out of interest what actually happens in this instance when a train overruns a station? What's the actual procedure when this happens as I know a train can't reverse back into a station?

Depending on the circumstances a train can be authorised by the Signaller to set back into the platform. It takes time to do this due to the conversation needed and the Driver has to change ends in order to move the train back into a platform.

 

[12LDA28C]

Out of interest what actually happens in this instance when a train overruns a station? What's the actual procedure when this happens as I know a train can't reverse back into a station?

Was it this that caused most of the problems at Manchester Piccadilly last night as according to Realtime Trains quite a number of trains in/around Manchester area were running heavily delayed or cancelled?

Returning a train back to the platform it has overshot is allowed for in the Rule Book as long as certain conditions are met, but ultimately it's the signaller who decides if that can happen or not. A 50-minute delay does seem a little excessive but it can happen if a driver does not follow the correct procedure when returning to the platform. Also permission to continue with the journey might not be granted if that driver has a history of such incidents although if the overshoot was caused by poor adhesion rather than driver error there should be no problem.

 

[dk1]

Depending on the circumstances a train can be authorised by the Signaller to set back into the platform. It takes time to do this due to the conversation needed and the Driver has to change ends in order to move the train back into a platform.

As long as within 400m and no AHB between the stopping point and platform. Darn rule book always rings in my head

 

[12LDA28C]

As long as within 400m and no AHB between the stopping point and platform. Darn rule book always rings in my head

These conditions are often met but it's still the signaller's decision and it's often a 'no'.

 

[dk1]

These conditions are often met but it's still the signaller's decision and it's often a 'no'.

Thankfully something I've only done twice in 25 years driving and both were covered up.

 

[PacerTrain142]

These conditions are often met but it's still the signaller's decision and it's often a 'no'.

In these cases will the passengers who wanted to get off but couldn’t and had to travel to the next station and get off and catch another train back again be compensated for the extra single ticket they would have to have bought (or just risk getting on without buying and hope the guard doesn’t catch you).

 

[12LDA28C]

In these cases will the passengers who wanted to get off but couldn’t and had to travel to the next station and get off and catch another train back again be compensated for the extra single ticket they would have to have bought (or just risk getting on without buying and hope the guard doesn’t catch you).

Clearly, in that situation passengers would not be expected to have to buy another ticket because their train failed to call at their desired station. If challenged by the guard they would simply explain what happened and it would be easy enough for the guard to check, if they weren't already aware.

 

[185143]

Clearly, in that situation passengers would not be expected to have to buy another ticket because their train failed to call at their desired station. If challenged by the guard they would simply explain what happened and it would be easy enough for the guard to check, if they weren't already aware.

Well you say that...

Wrong train

Hi all , I am a student that travels from Hatfield to Welwyn garden city each day to college …I usually buy a ticket with return which I did same yesterday .but unfortunately when I was returning I got into the wrong train bcz it came at the same platform and same time I was expecting my train...

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[LAX54]

As long as within 400m and no AHB between the stopping point and platform. Darn rule book always rings in my head

Well you say that...

Wrong train

Hi all , I am a student that travels from Hatfield to Welwyn garden city each day to college …I usually buy a ticket with return which I did same yesterday .but unfortunately when I was returning I got into the wrong train bcz it came at the same platform and same time I was expecting my train...

www.railforums.co.uk

But is that not a different scenario altogether ?

 

[12LDA28C]

But is that not a different scenario altogether ?

Indeed.

 

[Towers]

Returning a train back to the platform it has overshot is allowed for in the Rule Book as long as certain conditions are met, but ultimately it's the signaller who decides if that can happen or not. A 50-minute delay does seem a little excessive but it can happen if a driver does not follow the correct procedure when returning to the platform. Also permission to continue with the journey might not be granted if that driver has a history of such incidents although if the overshoot was caused by poor adhesion rather than driver error there should be no problem.

The driver may also have declared himself as unfit to continue, of course, either temporarily or requiring a relief driver.

 

[12LDA28C]

The driver may also have declared himself as unfit to continue, of course, either temporarily or requiring a relief driver.

That would be quite rare, more common is the driver not being permitted to continue by their employer due to being classified as an 'at risk' driver who is to be relieved upon having an incident, such as a station overrun.