Nottingham 'Bus War'

[Pigalle]

yes it is i wonder what they be using on it presumably the debranded locallink solos


i heard the electric buses were going to be used on H1

I was told it was the Mickleover as they are being part-funded by Derby City Council and it is that funding that is delaying their introduction. Because of this delay it was also said that they wouldn’t be in service until 2020.

 

[lukesmith]

I was told it was the Mickleover as they are being part-funded by Derby City Council and it is that funding that is delaying their introduction. Because of this delay it was also said that they wouldn’t be in service until 2020.

ok i wonder what would happen to the mmcs on the mickleover then

 

[43055]

i heard the electric buses were going to be used on H1

A demonstrator vehicle was used on the H1 earlier in the year.

 

[lukesmith]

A demonstrator vehicle was used on the H1 earlier in the year.

yh thats the one i meant it would be nice to see electric buses in trents fleet

 

[winterbanker]

Full details of the new X1 service, travel for a penny during the first week
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promo...x1-stagecoach-gold-chesterfield-to-nottingham

 

[Statto]

Full details of the new X1 service, travel for a penny during the first week
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promo...x1-stagecoach-gold-chesterfield-to-nottingham

Reading lower down the page, the explorer ticket will be valid on the whole of the X1 route, when the X1 starts

 

[Llandudno]

Full details of the new X1 service, travel for a penny during the first week
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promo...x1-stagecoach-gold-chesterfield-to-nottingham

Interesting that Stagecoach have introduced this service following losing the East Midlands Rail franchise.

Excellent idea and even a 2300 return from Nottingham on Saturday evenings.

Hopefully it will be successful and maybe the X17 from Barnsley and Sheffield which terminates at Chesterfield could be extended to Nottingham to create some useful cross Chesterfield links like Clay Cross and all the new housing on Derby Road, Wingerworth to Sheffield etc.

 

[Mugby]

Quite some difference in fares between Alfreton and Chesterfield comparing X1 with TrentBarton's 'Comet'

X1, £3.50 single, £6.00 return.
Comet, £4.70 single, £6.50 return (zig-zag)

 

[chessie]

I have just had a walk through Chesterfield Town Centre and every other Stagecoach bus seems to be advertising the introduction of the X1 today with penny travel for first week of service.

As per comments above fares seem very good. I would also look at extending the X1 back to Sheffield if the current route becomes successful as additionally there is also a good student flow at both Nottingham and Sheffield to the intermediary towns en-route that would no doubt change mode of travel from the train if the price was right.

 

[ChrisC]

Interesting that although the X1 is limited stop for most of the route, it seems to be stopping at most stops between Alfreton Bus Station and East Midlands Designer Outlet. Quite sensible because that part of Alfreton and South Normanton do not have any direct buses to Nottingham. It’s quite a densely populated area close to the Nottinghamshire border that currently only has buses to Derby and Mansfield. It’s also an area, although in Derbyshire, which probably looks more towards Nottingham than it does Derby. I can see people from the South Normanton area using the X1 to visit Nottingham for shopping etc in the future instead of Trent Barton Nines to Derby.

 

[howittpie]

It appears Yourbus have ceased trading from today according to a post on Facebook.

 

[Deerfold]

It appears Yourbus have ceased trading from today according to a post on Facebook.

And on their website:
http://www.catchyourbus.co.uk/

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

And on their website:
http://www.catchyourbus.co.uk/

There had been signs but don’t think this was the outcome that was expected.

 

[Alexbus12]

There had been signs but don’t think this was the outcome that was expected.

With them adding 50 vehicles to the license of Preston bus, could we potentially now see internal fleet transfers from Yourbus to Diamond?

 

[Deerfold]

With them adding 50 vehicles to the license of Preston bus, could we potentially now see internal fleet transfers from Yourbus to Diamond?

If they've ceased trading they won't be able to do anything until an Administrator has been appointed. Then anyone can buy any assets.

 

[Robertj21a]

And on their website:
http://www.catchyourbus.co.uk/

No great loss really. I guess Trent, Nottingham and Arriva will be celebrating.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

No great loss really. I guess Trent, Nottingham and Arriva will be celebrating.

I wouldn't say that

Aside from the staff who are now affected, they'll be plenty of people who were inconvenienced this morning. It'll be a headache for Derbyshire CC as well.

Certainly, TrentBarton et al will be happy that a competitor has gone but would always be better to have a structured orderly close down than this.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

With them adding 50 vehicles to the license of Preston bus, could we potentially now see internal fleet transfers from Yourbus to Diamond?

That move might point to an acquisition more locally. Adding discs means expanded operations.

Don't think the acquisition is to be Yourbus. Were this to be a pre-pack, you'd have expected them to keep operating?

 

[Alexbus12]

That move might point to an acquisition more locally. Adding discs means expanded operations.

Don't think the acquisition is to be Yourbus. Were this to be a pre-pack, you'd have expected them to keep operating?

From Simon Dunn on the West Mindlands Bus Forum or what ever it's called...

Rotala looked at acquiring YourBus through its Preston Bus Ltd subsidiary, and hence why there was an additional operating centre added.

In the end we couldn't agree a deal.


Simon

 

[Robertj21a]

I wouldn't say that

Aside from the staff who are now affected, they'll be plenty of people who were inconvenienced this morning. It'll be a headache for Derbyshire CC as well.

Certainly, TrentBarton et al will be happy that a competitor has gone but would always be better to have a structured orderly close down than this.

It really is no great loss. They only did a bit of tendered work, all the rest was competitive against the established operators. No effort ever put in by Yourbus, no risks taken, just targeting routes that kept the established operators profitable.
Their National Express work was rubbish and they lost all the contracts after some serious issues arose. Their demise, without any forewarning, is only what you might have expected from such an operator. The industry as a whole is better off without them.

 

[Mitch in Notts]

It really is no great loss. They only did a bit of tendered work, all the rest was competitive against the established operators. No effort ever put in by Yourbus, no risks taken, just targeting routes that kept the established operators profitable.

Quite a bit of tendered work - Ashbourne/Matlock area 110-111-113-114-216-217. Alfreton/Ripley/Heanor/Ilkeston/Sandiacre areas 11-14-29-138-147-148-151-152-153. The commercial Y10 & Y59 were also not in competiton with anyone. That has left a large number of villages/residential areas bus free today!

 

[winston270twm]

Quite a bit of tendered work - Ashbourne/Matlock area 110-111-113-114-216-217. Alfreton/Ripley/Heanor/Ilkeston/Sandiacre areas 11-14-29-138-147-148-151-152-153. The commercial Y10 & Y59 were also not in competiton with anyone. That has left a large number of villages/residential areas bus free today!

No doubt they'll soon picked up by another operator!

 

[Sprinter153]

It’s a shame to see them go. I used the Y5, 20 and 26 regularly and I found them to be reliable, good value and customer-focused. They were a refreshing antidote to the slapdash Arriva operation in Derby and Trentbarton’s tendency to over-promise and under-deliver (more so since Alex Hornby left).

 

[Mitch in Notts]

No doubt they'll soon picked up by another operator!

But who? It's only a few years since the demise of Doyles. Holmes have stopped service work. Littles run the Crich and Alfreton area tenders. High Peak might consider the Matlock/Ashbourne but it's a fair way from Dove Holes. And I suppose companies such as Littles/Hulleys etc have only so many spare vehicles/drivers to call on at short notice......

 

[Anthony ross]

Just seen this on Hulleys twitter page

 

[carlberry]

But who? It's only a few years since the demise of Doyles. Holmes have stopped service work. Littles run the Crich and Alfreton area tenders. High Peak might consider the Matlock/Ashbourne but it's a fair way from Dove Holes. And I suppose companies such as Littles/Hulleys etc have only so many spare vehicles/drivers to call on at short notice......

In cases like this the local large operator can usually step in to cover a lot of work quickly as they have enough management staff available to deal with the planning and interviewing, plus they can usually call on a few spare vehicles. For the staff it's usually a case of how willing the closing operator is to contact it's ex staff so that other operators can get in touch with them

 

[ag51ruk]

Notts and Derby may be interested in the stuff around Ashbourne and Belper, they already do a fair bit on contract to Derbyshire County Council. They may be able to take on some of the ex Yourbus drivers. Many passengers will have lost money on their Yourbus smart cards unless the administrators are able to eventually pay that back.

In separate news, Trent are launching their new ticket machines on Sunday 6th October. Had an email from them today saying the new machines can't accept Mango or Robin Hood cards so they are also leaving the old machines (presumably just the readers currently used to check out but modified to check in as well?) All seems a bit odd, will be interested to see how it works in practice.

 

[winston270twm]

But who? It's only a few years since the demise of Doyles. Holmes have stopped service work. Littles run the Crich and Alfreton area tenders. High Peak might consider the Matlock/Ashbourne but it's a fair way from Dove Holes. And I suppose companies such as Littles/Hulleys etc have only so many spare vehicles/drivers to call on at short notice......

Someone will cover them, give them chance! Yourbus only ceased trading this morning....

There's currently a load of unemployed Yourbus drivers..... so drivers shouldn't currently be an issue.

 

[ag51ruk]

Trent Barton have said they will accept Yourbus tickets today and welcome applications from drivers/engineering staff

https://www.trentbarton.co.uk/news-and-media/travel-updates/article/yourbustickets

 

[Deerfold]

Quite a bit of tendered work - Ashbourne/Matlock area 110-111-113-114-216-217. Alfreton/Ripley/Heanor/Ilkeston/Sandiacre areas 11-14-29-138-147-148-151-152-153. The commercial Y10 & Y59 were also not in competiton with anyone. That has left a large number of villages/residential areas bus free today!

Not good and that looks like a long list, but it's about 14 buses.