November 2007 franchise changes—mid-timetable?

[Eagle]

What the title says basically. On November 11, 2007, there was a big shakeup of midlands franchises, thus:

• London Overground took over Silverlink's London suburban routes
• London Midland took over the rest of Silverlink and the Birmingham-centric parts of Central Trains
• Midland Mainline and most of the rest of Central Trains went to East Midlands Trains
• CrossCountry took over most of VXC's routes, plus the Birmingham–East Midlands routes of Central Trains, minus routes via Preston which went to Virgin WC and Transpennine Express

Now, this was in the midst of the May 2007 timetable, and it resulted in some service patterns being changed (particularly with regards to XC, who completely recast the connectivity through Birmingham). Did these changes happen immediately the franchise change, or were they delayed till the next timetable change in December 2007? If so does that mean AXC ran services through Preston at any point?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

December 2008 for all those recasts I think, though LOROL has been continuous, not just one big change.

 

[Eagle]

December 2008 for all those recasts I think, though LOROL has been continuous, not just one big change.

Not December 2008, I'm sure. I have a XC timetable book from the first time I travelled with them in November 2008 and the patterns are as now (albeit the Guildfords going to Brighton).

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Not December 2008, I'm sure. I have a XC timetable book from the first time I travelled with them in November 2008 and the patterns are as now (albeit the Guildfords going to Brighton).

2008 I am certain of, that is when Brighton went and the services were standardised. EMT MML was also recast then.

 

[Eagle]

2008 I am certain of, that is when Brighton went and the services were standardised. EMT MML was also recast then.

Okay, but they weren't running on the WCML by 2008.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

That transferred to VT in December 2007, I've just found VT's E/F timetable from then.

 

[northwichcat]

Manchester-Scotland was operated by Virgin Cross Country until Nov 2007. Virgin West Coast operated it for an interim period using Voyagers until TPE took it over in Dec 2007.

 

[Eagle]

From the WayBack Machine, dated January 2008:

http://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/SiteImages/Assets/3/Route_Map.pdf

(Notice it's identical to the relevant portion of the big old VT map, and the colours have been handed down to the current XC timetable books, whereas the other colours have been handed down to the VWC timetables... I do pick up on things like that )

 

[MCR247]

The Central trains services affected by the franchise changes (ie Nottingham - Hereford) had all ready been split to avoid complication etc