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Mollington St

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As i had been doing some sorting today , i can across a small batch of Handbills and Flyers for Scottish Region Observation Cars Journeys

So i though i would share a few , i have now scanned them all and have them all up on my site at Transport Past Times

Scans 1+2 are the Summer 1966 Handbill , Scan 3 is 1959 6 page issue , and Scans 4+5 are the single sided issues 1959 and 1961
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I do recall these Observation Cars on all of these routes although I never travelled on any of them at the time. Somewhere in my own 'archives' I have at least one other handbill which if I can easily lay hands on it I will post.
 
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Observation cars were running on the Fort William to Mallaig line in August 1982. Here are 2 shots taken that month at Mallaig and Fort William.
 

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I can recall one journey from Inverness to Kyle which had an observation coach attached, although I didn't travel in it. Haulage was a class 37. This would have been mid-80s, I think. It was a converted class 101 car.

There is a photo here of what I assume to be the same vehicle:
 

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I can recall one journey from Inverness to Kyle which had an observation coach attached, although I didn't travel in it. Haulage was a class 37. This would have been mid-80s, I think. It was a converted class 101 car.

There is a photo here of what I assume to be the same vehicle:

I took a trip to Kyle from Inverness on a 37 in 1994 and the return leg (behind another 37/0 in Dutch livery) had the same converted class 101 in the livery along with the green and cream mk2 set.
 

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Observation cars were running on the Fort William to Mallaig line in August 1982. Here are 2 shots taken that month at Mallaig and Fort William.

I can recall one journey from Inverness to Kyle which had an observation coach attached, although I didn't travel in it. Haulage was a class 37. This would have been mid-80s, I think. It was a converted class 101 car.
I took a trip to Kyle from Inverness on a 37 in 1994 and the return leg (behind another 37/0 in Dutch livery) had the same converted class 101 in the livery along with the green and cream mk2 set.
These 'latter day' Observation Cars came along probably 15 or so years after the original ones had been withdrawn, a Scotrail initiative. Still provided a useful service of course.
I did occasionally travel on the Mallaig one (on duty) both when ex LNER vehicles photographed were in use and later on the ex LMS Engineers Saloon which replaced these.
 

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Which Inverness -> Kyle of Lochalsh line observation car might a certain Michael Palin have travelled on, back in 1980, in his TV documentary "Great Railway Journeys of the World - Confessions of a Train Spotter"?
 

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What was that carriages original design and use?
The streamlined Obs (to use a USA short form for these) in the third attachment was from the 1937 LNER Coronation London to Edinburgh trainset. Stored in WW2, it later got used on odd excursions (Ian Allan knew of it and used to hire it for his early enthusiast excursions, when he and his invited authors etc used to use it for a private party at the rear). It came to the Scottish trains in the 1950s. View out was actually poor and seating was limited, the inner half of it was a buffet-bar, so it was later rebuilt at St Rollox works more squared off, with larger back windows, as seen in the fifth attachment.

We had a discussion here a while ago about, when it arrived steam-hauled at Mallaig, how many shunts were required to get both it and the locomotive separately turned on the turntable and then get both onto their respective ends for the return journey, as there was no shunting locomotive there and given where the turntable was located - it was about 20! Must have taken the best part of an hour.

The separate car in the fourth attachment was an ex-Pullman, rebuilt as such in their own works for the early 1950s Devon Belle from Waterloo to Ilfracombe, which train had been a conspicuous commercial failure and so had not lasted long.

The slightly later "inspection saloon" is I believe a 1930s Gresley coach, built as such. These saloons were used as much by the commercial department to take key customers (principally freight) around the system, rather than for engineering inspections.
 
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The streamlined Obs (to use a USA short form for these) in the third attachment was from the 1937 LNER Coronation London to Edinburgh trainset. Stored in WW2, it later got used on odd excursions (Ian Allan knew of it and used to hire it for his early enthusiast excursions, when he and his invited authors etc used to use it for a private party at the rear). It came to the Scottish trains in the 1950s. View out was actually poor and seating was limited, the inner half of it was a buffet-bar, so it was later rebuilt at St Rollox works more squared off, with larger back windows, as seen in the fifth attachment.

We had a discussion here a while ago about, when it arrived steam-hauled at Mallaig, how many shunts were required to get both it and the locomotive separately turned on the turntable and then get both onto their respective ends for the return journey, as there was no shunting locomotive there and given where the turntable was located - it was about 20! Must have taken the best part of an hour.

The separate car in the fourth attachment was an ex-Pullman, rebuilt as such in their own works for the early 1950s Devon Belle from Waterloo to Ilfracombe, which train had been a conspicuous commercial failure and so had not lasted long.

The slightly later "inspection saloon" is I believe a 1930s Gresley coach, built as such. These saloons were used as much by the commercial department to take key customers (principally freight) around the system, rather than for engineering inspections.
Thanks Taunton helpful and interesting info. It was more the origins of the vehicle in post #3 which intrigued me, having never seen that pictured before, so thanks to @Gloster for adding some info on that.

Ref the two you outlined it was good to read more about them. I've seen / ridden on the ex Coronation one that is at the GCR (Not sure if it still there, not seen it for a while), not sure if that was the one altered at St Rollox however, and the ex Devon Belle one at the Paignton and Dartmouth steam railway - both very well restored. Am I correct to think the ex Devon Belle one was repatriated from the USA before its restoration?

Some interesting interior pictures towards the bottom of this page that I just found
 

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Others will be more knowledgeable about where cars are now, but I do believe the whole lot are preserved somewhere, and that one of the two Coronation cars has actually been rebuilt back to its original form.

The Devon Belle car after its Scottish service went to the USA with the infamous Flying Scotsman visit of 1970. When the loco returned all the carriages were bought by the Victoria Station themed restaurant chain. Most of the carriages went to their key prestige location in Los Angeles; I ate in one once (separate topic!) but the observation car went to the chain's headquarters behind the waterfront in San Francisco where it was used as the boardroom. When the chain went out of business it was eventually brought back to the UK.
 
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Others will be more knowledgeable about where cars are now, but I do believe the whole lot are preserved somewhere, and that one of the two Coronation cars has actually been rebuilt back to its original form.

The Devon Belle car went to the USA with the infamous Flying Scotsman visit of 1970. When the loco returned all the carriages were bought by the Victoria Station themed restaurant chain. Most of the carriages went to their key prestige location in Los Angeles; I ate in one once (separate topic!) but the observation car went to the chain's headquarters in San Francisco where it was used as the boardroom. When the chain went out of business it was eventually brought back to the UK.
Thanks Taunton

Of what was presumably the last observation car to be used (the converted class 101 vehicle), I do recall pictures of that in railway magazines during the period it operated

@Mollington St - v nice to see the scans you uploaded - thanks for sharing these - very interesting. There services must have been well publicised as I was previously aware of this dedicated BR poster as reproduced here

 

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I believe the One : One Collection in Margate has one ex-LNER Coronation Observation Car, and that is the one restored to original condition.

The Strathspey Railway I believe has the other, on loan from the Great Central Railway, and that one is in BR rebuilt condition.
 

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I believe the One : One Collection in Margate has one ex-LNER Coronation Observation Car, and that is the one restored to original condition.

The Strathspey Railway I believe has the other, on loan from the Great Central Railway, and that one is in BR rebuilt condition.
Thanks - so it's probably the BR rebuilt one I saw at the GCR, now at Strathspey. Design as featured in that BR poster
 

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Thanks - so it's probably the BR rebuilt one I saw at the GCR, now at Strathspey. Design as featured in that BR poster
No problem, I hope to travel on the rebuilt one on the Strathspey before it returns to the GCR, whenever that's due to happen.
 

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I remember the 'Hebridean Heritage' railcar as a kid, must have been in its last few years - it was brilliant!
 

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Others will be more knowledgeable about where cars are now, but I do believe the whole lot are preserved somewhere, and that one of the two Coronation cars has actually been rebuilt back to its original form.

The Devon Belle car after its Scottish service went to the USA with the infamous Flying Scotsman visit of 1970. When the loco returned all the carriages were bought by the Victoria Station themed restaurant chain. Most of the carriages went to their key prestige location in Los Angeles; I ate in one once (separate topic!) but the observation car went to the chain's headquarters behind the waterfront in San Francisco where it was used as the boardroom. When the chain went out of business it was eventually brought back to the UK.

The Devon Belle: Car 14 is on the Swanage Railway, Car 13 is on the Paignton and Dartmouth Railway.

Both have been extensively restored and refurbished. Due to the flexing of the wooden bodies there have been issues with water ingress but afaik the problem on Car 14 has been sorted out.
 

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Slightly off topic , but think it still adds to the thread

Ticket for Observation Car on Llandudno to Bettws-coed , not sure of stock used for this run and for how many years
 

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Ticket for Observation Car on Llandudno to Bettws-coed , not sure of stock used for this run and for how many years

The LNWR built one vehicle in 1911 and two more in 1913 for seasonal use on the line; they remained in use until DMUs took over in 1958. One is now on the Bluebell Railway.
 
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