Oldest and newest fleets

[Failed Unit]

Just thinking of fleets that our getting older. FCC which until last year was all ex-br will be getting much older with the extra 313s and 321s but probably offset by the 377s. Southerns will be going up as well as the 313s arrive. I guess northerns will increase as the 150s appear. Do the mk2s count for scotrail as they are hired?

 

[tbtc]

I guess northerns will increase as the 150s appear

142s and 150s replacing the 156s and 180s = an older fleet, sadly

 

[Dennis]

From http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/nav.2026

Table 6.1b Average age of rolling stock by train operating company


Great Britain yearly data 2007-08 Q4 to 2009-10 Q4 (years)



Train operating company2007-08 Q42008-09 Q42009-10 Q4
Arriva Cross Country 9.35 10.60 11.60
Arriva Trains Wales 17.07 18.43 19.43
c2c 7.03 8.03 9.03
Chiltern Railways 12.88 13.88 14.88
East Coast 21.97 22.60 23.69
East Midlands Trains 16.92 17.22 18.22
First Capital Connect 21.96 22.78 23.76
First Great Western 24.24 26.70 23.76
First Scotrail 16.00 17.00 18.00
Gatwick Express 7.34 - -
Island Line 70.25 71.25 72.25
London Midland 13.69 12.45 11.92
London Overground 30.26 31.26 18.48
Merseyside 29.25 30.25 31.25
National Express East Anglia 23.12 24.12 24.95
Northern 19.05 20.03 21.03
Southeastern Trains 10.48 11.48 10.81
South West Trains 11.31 12.31 13.31
Southern 9.70 10.63 10.93
Trans Pennine Express 2.25 3.25 4.25
Virgin Trains 4.79 5.84 6.84

All 14.69 15.70 16.07

Notes:

1. Was National Express East Coast and GNER

2. Includes Gatwick Express from June 2008

L&SE average age has decreased following the introduction of the full class 395 fleet for services on HS1 and the new class 378s for London Overground services.

 

[sprinterguy]

Excellent, some proper figures

Looks like my hastily knocked up spreadsheets were pretty close, that's a relief

And I concede that it would seem that Southeastern are lower than Southern, but only by a whisker

 

[jon0844]

When I was growing up, living in Cheshunt, I remember being so proud of the fact that we had such modern trains (well, the 317s were modern when they were introduced - back when I was a teenager in the late 1980s) so I guess that by getting new trains ahead of some other regions, that still had slam door trains, both the former Wagn routes now have some very old trains, as shown by the NXEA and FCC figures.

 

[tbtc]

Train operating company2007-08 Q42008-09 Q42009-10 Q4
First Great Western 24.24 26.70 23.76
London Midland 13.69 12.45 11.92
London Overground 30.26 31.26 18.48

So, out of the twenty TOCs listed (ignoring Gatwick Express, since there is only one figure), only three have got younger fleets in 09/10 than they had in 07/08?

Eightyfive percent of TOCs having older fleets isn't a great stat

(Cheers for the figures though Dennis - am not shooting the messanger!)

 

[rob-of-the-roc]

Yes, London Overground will shortly be the youngest by a long shot without any need for maths skills to work that out, not sure why I haven't put it on the list really.

Nah! ScotRail will have that trounced when the new 380s are introduced after the reopening of the Airdrie - Bathgate line.

r-o-t-r

 

[MCR247]

I'm not so sure, they have quite a few 156s and 158s

 

[The_Stig]

I'm not so sure, they have quite a few 156s and 158s

And the thirty year old 314's!

 

[ert47]

And the thirty year old 314's!

And once overground get ahold of their 172's their oldest trains would be 2+ years old

 

[richw]

So, out of the twenty TOCs listed (ignoring Gatwick Express, since there is only one figure), only three have got younger fleets in 09/10 than they had in 07/08?

Eightyfive percent of TOCs having older fleets isn't a great stat

(Cheers for the figures though Dennis - am not shooting the messanger!)

obviously fleets will be getting older as there is very little new rolling stock,
what new trains have FGW had to bring their average age down? they got rid of the adelantes which were their newest trains, so with them goen the average should of gone up not down!

 

[Failed Unit]

And the thirty year old 314's!

Do the soon to be 40 year old Mk2's count as they are hired?

 

[pemma]

obviously fleets will be getting older as there is very little new rolling stock,
what new trains have FGW had to bring their average age down? they got rid of the adelantes which were their newest trains, so with them goen the average should of gone up not down!

FGW are getting 150s to replace 142s, which are around the same age. FGW were due to get 11 x 4 car brand new Turbostars - whether the new government has axed that or not is a different question.

Northern will see a significant increase in the age of their fleet in the next two years with 142s replacing 180s and 150s replacing 156s.

 

[richw]

FGW are getting 150s to replace 142s, which are around the same age. FGW were due to get 11 x 4 car brand new Turbostars - whether the new government has axed that or not is a different question.

Northern will see a significant increase in the age of their fleet in the next two years with 142s replacing 180s and 150s replacing 156s.

but these figures were based on the stock at end of 2009, which the 142s were still with FGW

 

[The Box Photter]

If the class 377/5s are discounted (as they really belong to Southern) and excluding the former WAGN part of FCC the class 319s used on the old Thameslink routes are all over 20 years old, with the youngest built in 1990 and the oldest in 1987. Recent "refreshment" can't hide the fact either.

 

[tbtc]

what new trains have FGW had to bring their average age down? they got rid of the adelantes which were their newest trains, so with them goen the average should of gone up not down!

Yeah, I didn't "get" that - to go from 26.70 to 23.76 in a year seemed odd, unless its for the Heathrow 360s?

 

[Failed Unit]

Yeah, I didn't "get" that - to go from 26.70 to 23.76 in a year seemed odd, unless its for the Heathrow 360s?

The pacers are a lot younger than the hst. But they are such a small part of the fleet the wouldn't make that much difference.

 

[Dennis]

Perhaps in FGW land when they reformed some of the 158's to /9s they were counted as new units!

 

[starrymarkb]

Perhaps in FGW land when they reformed some of the 158's to /9s they were counted as new units!

Or less units (3x2car become 2x3car) when combined with Pacers, would the ATW long term hires count towards their total, that's another 5 80s units.