Overspeeding near Manor Park, 24 September 2024 (RAIB report)

[jammmmmsssssss]

In commuting on Greater Anglia, I can only remember being diverted onto that loop many years ago. That was to get round a failed train, and taken at low speed.

I think it's used pretty regularly for moves to Ilford depot

 

[Harpo]

Where they belong, in the museum.

High on a pedestal for 150 years of continuous reliable service along with their brilliant Victorian mechanical computers. (OK - Interlocking)

 

[Horizon22]

I think it's used pretty regularly for moves to Ilford depot

Only because there has been an issue with the points on the Down Main getting into the depot I believe. Might have been rectified now.

 

[Class15]

Only because there has been an issue with the points on the Down Main getting into the depot I believe. Might have been rectified now.

Isn’t the Avoider the most convenient way? It avoids crossing the Up Electric line.

 

[Horizon22]

Isn’t the Avoider the most convenient way? It avoids crossing the Up Electric line.

Depends what time of day. There's 8tph on the Electric lines off-peak and up to 14tph in the peak. So you may end up delaying something further back. Either way GA units to/from Ilford can cause delay if not timed almost perfectly.

 

[Teddyward]

Used to have a set of empties mon-fri that was down main to down avoiding every morning in the previous may timetable then back to the main at gidea park for some reason. Could never work out why.

 

[Horizon22]

Used to have a set of empties mon-fri that was down main to down avoiding every morning in the previous may timetable then back to the main at gidea park for some reason. Could never work out why.

Maybe it was just keep that route refreshed?

 

[TrainSailing]

I will admit I haven’t had a chance to read the report yet. As somebody that signs this route my first thought was the driver may have got the speed confused with the Up avoiding line which breaks off the UM Just after Pl1 at Ilford and rejoins the UE around Manor Park. The max speed over these points is 50mph. This is also more commonly used so the driver may have had this speed in his/her head.

 

[jonb]

Only because there has been an issue with the points on the Down Main getting into the depot I believe. Might have been rectified now.

The majority of ECS moves to Ilford Depot run via the Down Avoider, it’s unusual to go via the Down Main route. I believe those points have been rectified now, there was an incident a few weeks’ back where a VSTP was input to run across from the DML - Ilford Depot and had to be set back due to the aforementioned points not being in use. Much work has been undertaken between GA, MTREL and NR to reduce the risk of reactionary delay in this area with the uplift in services over the previous few years. In the upcoming May timetable change, there’ll be some further tweaks following direct feedback from Control teams managing the PM Peak recently…