Oyster fares - Canary Wharf to Richmond

[anti-pacer]

What would the above journey be classed as in terms of the Oyster fare?

Canary Wharf is in Zone 2, Richmond in 4 (I believe), or is it 5?

Would this be charged as a Zone 2-4/5 fare despite actually travelling through Zone 1? The off-peak Oyster fare by tube is £1.50 single, which sounds astonishingly cheap.

 

[pne]

Richmond in 4 (I believe), or is it 5?

Looks like 4 to me.

Would this be charged as a Zone 2-4/5 fare despite actually travelling through Zone 1?

I would expect not.

You'd have to avoid Zone 1 if you didn't want to pay a Zone 1-4 fare; for example, by travelling via Canada Water and Clapham Junction on the Overground and using the pink card readers at those two stations to confirm that you took that route.

Similarly, a trip from Watford Junction (sort-of Zone 9) to East Croydon (Zone 5) isn't going to be charged at Zone 5–9+WJ rate; you’d need at least Zone 2–9+WJ and possibly 1–9+WJ since you’d be travelling through those zones on your way.

In other words, you can’t just look at the origin and destination zones but also have to consider which zones you pass through.

The off-peak Oyster fare by tube is £1.50 single, which sounds astonishingly cheap.

The tube doesn’t get you to Richmond, though, so you have to look at the National Rail through fares (see page 5 of that PDF), which gives £2.10 for an off-peak 2–4 ticket and £4.20 if you want to travel via zone 1 (e.g. the obvious route via Waterloo).

The fare you quoted is only for travel exclusively by tube/DLR/LO.

 

[yorkie]

What would the above journey be classed as in terms of the Oyster fare?

Canary Wharf is in Zone 2, Richmond in 4 (I believe), or is it 5?

Would this be charged as a Zone 2-4/5 fare despite actually travelling through Zone 1? The off-peak Oyster fare by tube is £1.50 single, which sounds astonishingly cheap.

You've not given us enough information to answer the question, as you've not said which Canary Wharf station you're entering, nor have you said what route you'd be taking.

However the single fare finder makes it clear that the £1.50 fare is for "Avoiding Zone 1" and requires use of a pink route validator.

(Yes, there are occasions when you may be charge a fare that assumes you avoided Zone 1 when you did go via Zone 1, but let's not get into that now)
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The tube doesn’t get you to Richmond.

People generally (depending on context) refer to the big LU trains as "the tube" even though they're not tube trains and don't run in tubes. This is because LU is known colloquially as "the tube" even though the original lines built by the proper railway companies that pre-date LU were cut-and-cover. (But let's not go any further than that on this thread )
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The fare you quoted is only for travel exclusively by tube/DLR/LO.

Fares are sometimes charged based on assumptions; sometimes the assumption has to be that you will use the cheaper of the routes.

Also some NR routes are charged at TfL rates (LO is charged at the cheaper of the two rates), so it's not necessarily a case of a particular TfL rate fare being for travel "exclusively" by TfL sponsored services. For example, the use of Greater Anglia between Stratford & Liverpool St would not invoke NR rate charging.

 

[Busaholic]

You've not given us enough information to answer the question, as you've not said which Canary Wharf station you're entering, nor have you said what route you'd be taking.

However the single fare finder makes it clear that the £1.50 fare is for "Avoiding Zone 1" and requires use of a pink route validator.

(Yes, there are occasions when you may be charge a fare that assumes you avoided Zone 1 when you did go via Zone 1, but let's not get into that now)
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People generally (depending on context) refer to the big LU trains as "the tube" even though they're not tube trains and don't run in tubes. This is because LU is known colloquially as "the tube" even though the original lines built by the proper railway companies that pre-date LU were cut-and-cover. (But let's not go any further than that on this thread )
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Fares are sometimes charged based on assumptions; sometimes the assumption has to be that you will use the cheaper of the routes.

Also some NR routes are charged at TfL rates (LO is charged at the cheaper of the two rates), so it's not necessarily a case of a particular TfL rate fare being for travel "exclusively" by TfL sponsored services. For example, the use of Greater Anglia between Stratford & Liverpool St would not invoke NR rate charging.

How would Canary Wharf to Stratford and then Overground be charged? Must say this would be my first thought if doing that journey and avoiding Zone 1.

 

[pne]

People generally (depending on context) refer to the big LU trains as "the tube" even though they're not tube trains and don't run in tubes.

Whoops.

Thanks; I had sort of known that, but my bigger mistake was not seeing those lines coming into Richmond station from above on the "rail and tube services" map, including the green one -- I had been focussing completely on the red-and-white striped one passing through it horizontally.

Thank you for correcting me, and for the pointer to the fare calculator as well. (I had gone by the PDF fare tables only.)

 

[bb21]

How would Canary Wharf to Stratford and then Overground be charged? Must say this would be my first thought if doing that journey and avoiding Zone 1.

If you touch on the pink reader at Stratford, it will be charged as avoiding Zone 1 on the TfL scale, £1.50 off-peak. The Single Fare Finder should make this clear.

 

[anti-pacer]

You've not given us enough information to answer the question, as you've not said which Canary Wharf station you're entering, nor have you said what route you'd be taking.

However the single fare finder makes it clear that the £1.50 fare is for "Avoiding Zone 1" and requires use of a pink route validator.

(Yes, there are occasions when you may be charge a fare that assumes you avoided Zone 1 when you did go via Zone 1, but let's not get into that now)
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People generally (depending on context) refer to the big LU trains as "the tube" even though they're not tube trains and don't run in tubes. This is because LU is known colloquially as "the tube" even though the original lines built by the proper railway companies that pre-date LU were cut-and-cover. (But let's not go any further than that on this thread )
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Fares are sometimes charged based on assumptions; sometimes the assumption has to be that you will use the cheaper of the routes.

Also some NR routes are charged at TfL rates (LO is charged at the cheaper of the two rates), so it's not necessarily a case of a particular TfL rate fare being for travel "exclusively" by TfL sponsored services. For example, the use of Greater Anglia between Stratford & Liverpool St would not invoke NR rate charging.

Sorry, entering Canary Wharf LU station, changing at Westminster, and exiting at Richmond.

Maybe I'm not looking correctly but the PDF file on TfL's website doesn't appear to be clear about fares crossing Zone 1.

Also, I've never used an Oyster card.

 

[yorkie]

In that case £2.80 if travelling off peak, using either Oyster PAYG or a contactless payment card, as shown in the single fares finder.

 

[anti-pacer]

In that case £2.80 if travelling off peak, using either Oyster PAYG or a contactless payment card, as shown in the single fares finder.

Ah, excellent. Thanks Yorkie, I was looking at a PDF file. I never knew this was on the TfL website.

 

[leytongabriel]

But it's about time the TfL website journey planner did avoiding zone 1 jouneys too isn't it? Only seems to do straightforward Overground trips and if there is a via zone 1 alternative you don't get the cheaper journey option.

 

[dzug2]

But it's about time the TfL website journey planner did avoiding zone 1 jouneys too isn't it? Only seems to do straightforward Overground trips and if there is a via zone 1 alternative you don't get the cheaper journey option.

It does seem to exist in the journey planner but is greyed out with the message:

Coming soon

This service is currently unavailable. We are working to make it available again as soon as possible

Please try again later.

 

[joeykins82]

You can manually add a via step in to a journey plan if you know which route/station you'd need to avoid z1 but yeah, it's disappointing that the 1-click function still doesn't work.

 

[swt_passenger]

Canary Wharf to Richmond on the single fare finder is showing an avoiding zone 1 fare now, at 1248; it's the fourth fare of four on the page.