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Yep defo are. That state of some of the new officers these days. :s

A friend of mine doing his annual Staff Safety refresher was told by an Inspector there that he's having all sorts of issues with the new recruits coming through - including some that were scared of the dark!
 
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A friend of mine doing his annual Staff Safety refresher was told by an Inspector there that he's having all sorts of issues with the new recruits coming through - including some that were scared of the dark!
Not to be disparaging but sadly he is correct. It’s nothing personal but one has to question the suitability of some people who turn up to interviews and assessment centres with their mums. Sadly this is happening too.
 
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Not to be disparaging but sadly he is correct. It’s nothing personal but one has to question the suitability of some people who turn up to interviews and assessment centres with their mums. Sadly this is happening too.

I'd agree - One section lost a probie a few weeks back because they didn't realise the job involved shift work and couldn't handle it. I think the recruitment process is not robust or honest enough
 

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I am a SC in the Met ( yes I know some of you regs hate us , sometimes justifiable too! ) however I give it me best shot when I am out n about!
My view at the Mo is the Met is seriously struggling , with the BCU ‘s all struggling , Mi investigation putting ERT officers under so much pressure chasing the CAD and trying to investigate, it leaves officers not being able to the job as well as the want and ultimately leaves the public feeling let down.
SNT has been stripped to the bones , I can’t quite figure out why all wards have to have 2 PC’s , surely the more violent ones should have more with quieter wards less ?!

Anyway, every officer I go out with has had enough, always amazes me how hard they all try yet get no thanks for it, both from management and the public
 
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I am a SC in the Met ( yes I know some of you regs hate us , sometimes justifiable too! ) however I give it me best shot when I am out n about!
My view at the Mo is the Met is seriously struggling , with the BCU ‘s all struggling , Mi investigation putting ERT officers under so much pressure chasing the CAD and trying to investigate, it leaves officers not being able to the job as well as the want and ultimately leaves the public feeling left out.
SNT has been stripped to the bones , I can’t quite figure out why all wards have to have 2 PC’s , surely the more violent ones should have more and the more quiet one less ?!

Anyway every officer I go out with has had enough, always amazes me how hard the all try yet get no thanks for it, both from management and the public
Started as a special and have a lot of respect for them. The SC on my team is awesome.

You are spot on with your observations!

Can I ask do you work in the rail industry? If I am successful in my bid for a career change I very much hope to remain as an SC. I’m happy to fully walk away from the job if needs be but conversely, I would still be passionate about policing.......
 

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Started as a special and have a lot of respect for them. The SC on my team is awesome.

You are spot on with your observations!

Can I ask do you work in the rail industry? If I am successful in my bid for a career change I very much hope to remain as an SC. I’m happy to fully walk away from the job if needs be but conversely, I would still be passionate about policing.......

The SC’s on SX, sorry NW get really looked after , thusly I hear they are a great asset to the borough.

I am not yet in the rail industry, I was meant to start in January as a trainee driver , unfortunately due to family issues I had to postpone my start date , hopefully will be in and training within the next few months.
 

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A friend of mine doing his annual Staff Safety refresher was told by an Inspector there that he's having all sorts of issues with the new recruits coming through - including some that were scared of the dark!

A female trainee cop at the Scottish Police College made a complaint to her training Sgt that she felt intimidated by a group of Armed Response cops (no weapons carried or worn, just their ballistic vests and belt kit) standing in the queue in the canteen at lunchtime! I'd no be happy having her as a neighbour on a weekend nightshift!

Glad my career as a cop didn't go as planned and I got into the railway when I did. Been out the job nearly 10 years now and do not miss it. My brother is still in, but he's in a specialist department now and absolutely dreads the thought of getting put back to a normal response shift.
 

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Not to be disparaging but sadly he is correct. It’s nothing personal but one has to question the suitability of some people who turn up to interviews and assessment centres with their mums. Sadly this is happening too.

Your joking right, seriously now !!!!! I’m literally spechless!

What are they going to do at their first grade 1 response single crewed domestic with a offender with multiple markers for assault police, weapons, Heb B+, spits, resist arrest?
Call their mum ?! Give me strength.
 

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Your joking right, seriously now !!!!! I’m literally spechless!

What are they going to do at their first grade 1 response single crewed domestic with a offender with multiple markers for assault police, weapons, Heb B+, spits, resist arrest?
Call their mum ?! Give me strength.

They will be lucky as thankfully the Met still double crew on team but I know what you mean. I’ve been there in a county force singled crewed at a violent domestic with both parties still on scene.
 
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The railway isn’t some sort of utopia, there are many moans and groans about shifts, treatment by Managers, over zealous application of rules and general gripes you hear in many workplaces. I would imagine most on here are railway enthusiasts, so the view is usually quite rose tinted, those who just look at as a job are not always so kind in their reviews. The money keeps 99% of people in place, no matter what role you do, it will nearly always be higher paid than an equivalent outside the railway.

And if you aren’t fond of working in a highly unionised environment where people use it as a tool to batter perfectly reasonable management decisions and spread greviances around like confetti, then it may not be for you, unless you have the character to be one of the odd ones out, who doesn’t follow the Union like a sheep.
 

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The railway isn’t some sort of utopia, there are many moans and groans about shifts, treatment by Managers, over zealous application of rules and general gripes you hear in many workplaces. I would imagine most on here are railway enthusiasts, so the view is usually quite rose tinted, those who just look at as a job are not always so kind in their reviews. The money keeps 99% of people in place, no matter what role you do, it will nearly always be higher paid than an equivalent outside the railway.

And if you aren’t fond of working in a highly unionised environment where people use it as a tool to batter perfectly reasonable management decisions and spread greviances around like confetti, then it may not be for you, unless you have the character to be one of the odd ones out, who doesn’t follow the Union like a sheep.

Well I don’t know where you work and whilst I’m supportive of having a union I don’t feel it’s overly unionised. They do on the whole a good job. From my experience they appear to use common sense. I’ve never considered myself to be a sheep.

As for the rest of your comments, I think an over zealous Manager is abouts here and there, however on the whole I’d say most do a good job. I’ve had some really good support from managers in the past so I can’t grumble too much.

Shifts yep, no getting away from it, pain in the bum sometimes but works on the flip side too. But you really do need to give this one a lot of thought. It’s not fun getting up at 2AM in the winter, or summer come to that.

Am I an enthusiast? No I’m not. Am I a militant union member? No. Am I a paid up union member? Oh yes, always handy Just in case.... Do I like my managers? Yeah on the whole. Do I like my job? On the whole yes. It’s no where near utopia and I love a moan too but considering some of the other jobs I’ve had in my life I’m very grateful and thankful I have this role.
 

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It is not all roses of course not, no job is. The difference for me in comparing it specifically to policing is it IS better! Whenever I have thought anything at all about the job in any negative way I only have to compare it to how the police had become and I am instantly snapped out of it and thank my lucky stars I’m where I am now!!
I am in no way an enthusiast and joined with zero railway knowledge which hasn’t held me back. They recruit you if you have demonstrated the competencies they require, not whether you are a train geek or not! My advice to anyone thinking of taking the leap is go for it. I am honestly so glad I did.
 

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Thank you all for your valued input ! I am starting on the railway in a couple of weeks and can't wait !
 

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Anxious. I applied in November and still not heard back. I'm looking for a way out of the Met. Family life and frontline policing do not bode well
 

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6 months out. Sleeping better, lost weight, less money but managing well. No sitting at home wondering “what didn’t I do, what will I have to do when I go back.
Bliss
 

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Sounds great. All I do is the above. Even on work dos supervisors light heartedly say "oh you never added this reference to that report " blah blah
I dont live for the job. Family first. I think with arriva rails money I'd be way better off soon enough.

Equivalent of a guvnors wage. Cant wait to be on rest days actually resting rather than thinking about what's to be done when I return...
 

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Can anyone who went from police to the railway give any ideas on how the shift patterns compare? Currently at stage 1 with WMT. I work a 6/4 shift pattern as cop which to be honest I don't find all that bad on the whole. I know each TOC will be different mind.

What about the pension too? Is the railways comparable to police, lump sum etc?
 

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Can anyone who went from police to the railway give any ideas on how the shift patterns compare? Currently at stage 1 with WMT. I work a 6/4 shift pattern as cop which to be honest I don't find all that bad on the whole. I know each TOC will be different mind.

What about the pension too? Is the railways comparable to police, lump sum etc?

I can't speak for the shift pattern at WMT, but in Scotrail we work a 4 day week with Sunday outside the working week as booked overtime (13 a year at my depot). Shifts vary in start times as all diagrams are timed to the minute and its earlies one week and backshift the next etc. We have consecutive rest days at our depot and every 3rd weekend is a 5 day long weekend - Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon, Tues.

Pension wise, the Railway Pension scheme is a defined benefit final salary pension with full benefits at 62yrs old - lump sum and monthly payment. Its the best final salary pension scheme going these days and absolutely blows the crappy career average earnings police one out the water - can't be many coppers still serving that are on the old police pension now. You may be able to transfer in your police pension if the WMT section of the Railway Pension scheme allows it. The ScotRail section doesn't so I'll have my police pension to take separately. If you're successful, you'll miss the police for about 2 nano seconds and wonder why you never left earlier! Almost 10% of my depot are ex coppers!
 

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Well for a start you’re 5 hours a week (averaged) better off in most cases. That’s probably about 30-35 less days at work every year.
AFAIK you can no longer port public service pensions to non government schemes. Maybe someone knows better I keep forgetting to follow it up.
Where I am we do extra hours in our working week to have a lot of time off. Work 7 weeks16 days off then 5 weeks work another 16 days off ( our leave is incorporated into that). The working weeks average 1 rest day or 2 if not rostered Sunday. It’s totally worth it. I think I have 16/17 Sundays a year.
 

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Another Skipper looking to jump ship (17 years in and been a PS since 2008). Have my assessment day in July and really hoping to progress to the interview stage. I agree with so much that has been written . The job generally has knocked the stuffing out of me and have been wanting out for many years. Know many ex officers that are drivers and all have said it's been the best move for them. I'm keeping everything crossed and just hope the carnival for so many years hasn't destroyed my hearing too much ;)
 

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I can't speak for the shift pattern at WMT, but in Scotrail we work a 4 day week with Sunday outside the working week as booked overtime (13 a year at my depot). Shifts vary in start times as all diagrams are timed to the minute and its earlies one week and backshift the next etc. We have consecutive rest days at our depot and every 3rd weekend is a 5 day long weekend - Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon, Tues.

Pension wise, the Railway Pension scheme is a defined benefit final salary pension with full benefits at 62yrs old - lump sum and monthly payment. Its the best final salary pension scheme going these days and absolutely blows the crappy career average earnings police one out the water - can't be many coppers still serving that are on the old police pension now. You may be able to transfer in your police pension if the WMT section of the Railway Pension scheme allows it. The ScotRail section doesn't so I'll have my police pension to take separately. If you're successful, you'll miss the police for about 2 nano seconds and wonder why you never left earlier! Almost 10% of my depot are ex coppers!


Ex police scotland? How amazing is it being away from the place
 
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