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There's a cable car at Bregenz, at the Austrian end of Lake Constance.
 
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There's a cable car at Bregenz, at the Austrian end of Lake Constance.

Fare details here in German:


Adult (Erwachsene) single Euro 8.20, Return Euro 14.20.

This was the first cable car I ever travelled on at the age of 14, during my first ever visit to a German-speaking country. Special memory for me - pristine snow everywhere, and Slade high in the charts with Far, Far Away!
 
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Fare details here in German:


Adult (Erwachsene) single Euro 8.20, Return Euro 14.20.

This was the first cable car I ever travelled on at the age of 14, during my first ever visit to a German-speaking country. Special memory for me - pristine snow everywhere, and Slade high in the charts with Far, Far Away!

I've got it pencilled in for my visit to the area. I just hope it will be a clear day.

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There are also a lot of useful tips in this now locked thread on Lake Constance:

 

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While most of our trip has been planned, I forgot to mention that we have not yet purchased our train tickets to get us from Zurich Flughafen to Konstanz on December 1st.

As previously stated, our flight from Heathrow lands in Zurich at 20:20 local time. Depending on how long it takes to reclaim baggage, we intend to catch a 20:46, 21:16 or 21:46 direct train on the IC75 service. Luckily this service runs at the same half-hourly intervals until just after midnight so we don’t have any worries about getting stranded!

Looking at the prices on Trainline (yes you can buy international tickets on there too!), it appears that the xx46 trains (at £16.96) are around 5 quid cheaper than the xx16 (at £21.20), although this only goes up to the 21:46. From 22:46 onwards, these become £27.65, making the xx16 trains the cheaper option if we need to hang around at the airport.

I’m not sure if these are SBB’s equivalent of advance or anytime tickets (or even whether you can buy walk-up fares for the same price), but would be good to know if there are any better deals elsewhere bearing in mind we will be doing this journey in reverse on the 7th.
 

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As previously stated, our flight from Heathrow lands in Zurich at 20:20 local time. Depending on how long it takes to reclaim baggage, we intend to catch a 20:46, 21:16 or 21:46 direct train on the IC75 service. Luckily this service runs at the same half-hourly intervals until just after midnight so we don’t have any worries about getting stranded!

Looking at the prices on Trainline (yes you can buy international tickets on there too!), it appears that the xx46 trains (at £16.96) are around 5 quid cheaper than the xx16 (at £21.20), although this only goes up to the 21:46. From 22:46 onwards, these become £27.65, making the xx16 trains the cheaper option if we need to hang around at the airport.

I’m not sure if these are SBB’s equivalent of advance or anytime tickets (or even whether you can buy walk-up fares for the same price), but would be good to know if there are any better deals elsewhere bearing in mind we will be doing this journey in reverse on the 7th.
That sounds like a saver ticket indeed. The flexible full fare on sbb.ch is CHF 30 for both connections (both via Weinfelden), which is around GBP 26.25. SBB seem to offer cheaper savers for the direct connections at xx:46. And savers only seem to be available for connections including an IR or IC. At 22:46 and 23:53, it's an RE and no savers are available.
If you don't know which train you will catch, then you can either book the full fare or just wait until you get there. Evening trains may still have savers with some discount shortly before departure. Download the SBB app if you want to book them and use a payment card without exchange fees.
 

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That sounds like a saver ticket indeed. The flexible full fare on sbb.ch is CHF 30 for both connections (both via Weinfelden), which is around GBP 26.25. SBB seem to offer cheaper savers for the direct connections at xx:46. And savers only seem to be available for connections including an IR or IC. At 22:46 and 23:53, it's an RE and no savers are available.
If you don't know which train you will catch, then you can either book the full fare or just wait until you get there. Evening trains may still have savers with some discount shortly before departure. Download the SBB app if you want to book them and use a payment card without exchange fees.
Using the SBB app would also allow you to see booked/actual formations and where to stand on the platform for each coach. And avoids any Trainline fees.
 

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Looking at the prices on Trainline (yes you can buy international tickets on there too!)
Using the SBB app would also allow you to see booked/actual formations and where to stand on the platform for each coach. And avoids any Trainline fees.
Yes, there's really no point at all to using Trainline when the SBB app is as good as it is for both ticketing and general planning.

The same goes for the DB Navigator app, too.
 

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That sounds like a saver ticket indeed. The flexible full fare on sbb.ch is CHF 30 for both connections (both via Weinfelden), which is around GBP 26.25. SBB seem to offer cheaper savers for the direct connections at xx:46. And savers only seem to be available for connections including an IR or IC. At 22:46 and 23:53, it's an RE and no savers are available.
If you don't know which train you will catch, then you can either book the full fare or just wait until you get there. Evening trains may still have savers with some discount shortly before departure. Download the SBB app if you want to book them and use a payment card without exchange fees.
Yes, there's really no point at all to using Trainline when the SBB app is as good as it is for both ticketing and general planning.

The same goes for the DB Navigator app, too.
Thank you. Will definitely be downloading the app.
 

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What a breathtaking trip! So much to review!

We arrived in Zurich Airport at 21:25 local time on December 1st, having been delayed for an hour due to fog at Heathrow Airport. After a short journey on the internal Skymetro from gate E to the main terminal (well worth a ride by the way) and baggage reclaim, we made our way to Zurich Flughafen train station to find that the next direct train to Konstanz was not until 22:46. Luckily however, the 21:16 to Romanshorn stopped in Weinfelden which provided a connection onto the S-Bahn to Konstanz, so we were able to catch that train. It wasn't ideal, particularly with both of us being tired and the night bitterly cold, but at least the trains were punctual and we arrived in Konstanz before the later direct train did.

During our visit, we managed to fit in four different modes of transport: bus, train, catamaran and cable car. Population-wise, Konstanz is around the same size as Gosport, but its transport links are far superior. For example, there are two circular bus routes running every 30 minutes between the city centre and Dettingen, a village roughly 5 miles away. Having spent an evening there with a relative, we were pleasantly surprised to find that there were still buses running hourly throughout the night. Even more, the last bus before midnight which we caught was standing room only, completely unheard of for a rural late-night bus bound for the city! The UK has so much to learn from German public transportation systems.

Another day saw us catch the catamaran to Friedrichshafen and a Deutsche Bahn train from there to Ravensburg, a picturesque German city about the size of Salisbury. Despite rumours that DB are always late, our train was on time both ways, and very speedy too considering we managed to catch the direct IRE service. Later on in the week we made a journey around the southern shore of Lake Konstanz on SBB trains, catching a RE from Konstanz to St Gallen before changing onto the Zurich-Munich intercity train to Bregenz. The RE train configuration was similar to that of a Class 450, but with more space and colourful headrests on the seats. The St Gallen - Bregenz train was very much like a Pendolino, with a noticeable tilt while travelling around the meandering bends threading through the Swiss hills. This was certainly the most scenic part of the journey, until we jumped onto the Pfanderbahn cable car of course. Couldn't beat such a breathtaking view with Lake Konstanz straight ahead, the Alps to the left and snow beneath our feet once we reached the top!

On our way back, we had some time to kill while waiting for a connection at St Gallen, so spent some time exploring the city. With the city being located in a steep, narrow valley, it appears quite small on a map, but upon visiting it is actually comparable to somewhere like Manchester or Newcastle. There are trams, trolleybuses, internationally recognised retail brands and a stunning cathedral with a Christmas Market inside. Unfortunately we did not have enough time to visit the Market, but that's not to say we hadn't already visited four other markets during our trip!

Coming home on the 7th December, we were absolutely exhausted from a full-on day, so jumped on the direct train from Konstanz to Zurich Flughafen and spent the next few hours resting at the airport before our British Airways flight back to England.

Overall an amazing experience, and three countries covered in the space of a week too! Not to mention all that Lecker Schnitzel and Pommes Frites we ate!
 
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What a breathtaking trip! So much to review!

We arrived in Zurich Airport at 21:25 local time on December 1st, having been delayed for an hour due to fog at Heathrow Airport. After a short journey on the internal Skymetro from gate E to the main terminal (well worth a ride by the way) and baggage reclaim, we made our way to Zurich Flughafen train station to find that the next direct train to Konstanz was not until 22:46. Luckily however, the 21:16 to Romanshorn stopped in Weinfelden which provided a connection onto the S-Bahn to Konstanz, so we were able to catch that train. It wasn't ideal, particularly with both of us being tired and the night bitterly cold, but at least the trains were punctual and we arrived in Konstanz before the later direct train did.

During our visit, we managed to fit in four different modes of transport: bus, train, catamaran and cable car. Population-wise, Konstanz is around the same size as Gosport, but its transport links are far superior. For example, there are two circular bus routes running every 30 minutes between the city centre and Dettingen, a village roughly 5 miles away. Having spent an evening there with a relative, we were pleasantly surprised to find that there were still buses running hourly throughout the night. Even more, the last bus before midnight which we caught was standing room only, completely unheard of for a rural late-night bus bound for the city! The UK has so much to learn from German public transportation systems.

Another day saw us catch the catamaran to Friedrichshafen and a Deutsche Bahn train from there to Ravensburg, a picturesque German city about the size of Salisbury. Despite rumours that DB are always late, our train was on time both ways, and very speedy too considering we managed to catch the direct IRE service. Later on in the week we made a journey around the southern shore of Lake Konstanz on SBB trains, catching a RE from Konstanz to St Gallen before changing onto the Zurich-Munich intercity train to Bregenz. The RE train configuration was similar to that of a Class 450, but with more space and colourful headrests on the seats. The St Gallen - Bregenz train was very much like a Pendolino, with a noticeable tilt while travelling around the meandering bends threading through the Swiss hills. This was certainly the most scenic part of the journey, until we jumped onto the Pfanderbahn cable car of course. Couldn't beat such a breathtaking view with Lake Konstanz straight ahead, the Alps to the left and snow beneath our feet once we reached the top!

On our way back, we had some time to kill while waiting for a connection at St Gallen, so spent some time exploring the city. With the city being located in a steep, narrow valley, it appears quite small on a map, but upon visiting it is actually comparable to somewhere like Manchester or Newcastle. There are trams, trolleybuses, internationally recognised retail brands and a stunning cathedral with a Christmas Market inside. Unfortunately due to time we did not have time to visit the Market, but that's not to say we hadn't already visited four other markets during our trip!

Coming home on the 7th December, we were absolutely exhausted from a full-on day, so jumped on the direct train from Konstanz to Zurich Flughafen and spent the next few hours resting at the airport before our British Airways flight back to England.

Overall an amazing experience, and three countries covered in the space of a week too! Not to mention all that Lecker Schnitzel and Pommes Frites we ate!

Fantastic! Glad it all worked out for you. I'll be covering some of the same ground as you next March, including the cable car. Did you find Bregenz itself to be worth looking round? After the cable car early morning. I'm thinking of going to Lindau by train, rather than spend a day in Bregenz.
 

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Fantastic! Glad it all worked out for you. I'll be covering some of the same ground as you next March, including the cable car. Did you find Bregenz itself to be worth looking round? After the cable car early morning. I'm thinking of going to Lindau by train, rather than spend a day in Bregenz.
We only had an hour in Bregenz in total, and that was spent walking from the train station to the Pfanderbahn. Saying that, it did have a nice Christmas Market and train station.
 

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Bregenz is quite nice as it's right on Lake Constance (Bodensee).

Usually I'd get a train to Bregenz Hafen and walk back over to the main Bregenz station.
 

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Interestingly the "tram" in Sankt Gallen is more of a tram-train (although I believe this concept itself isn't used this way in Switzerland). It runs on the street in the city centre, but outside it's an electrified light railway running all the way to Teufen, Appenzell and Trogen
 

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It’s now almost a month since I flew out to Konstanz, and already I am keen to plan my next visit.

Next time, I think it would be nice to incorporate it into a 2-week Interrail trip around Europe. Maybe as a stop en-route to Prague which is another place I have always wanted to visit.

Getting to Konstanz from my nearest major town (Poole) without flying brings up several possible routes. I would be interested to gain some insight on these routes based on cost, time and how scenic the journey is. Also bear in mind that I would most likely make this journey during the summer months.
  • SWR to London, Eurostar to Paris, TGV/ICE to Karlsruhe, then DB to Konstanz via the Black Forest Railway
  • Same as above, but going from Paris to Konstanz via the LGV Rhin-Rhone and Zurich
  • Eurostar to Lille or Brussels, then classic SNCF/SNCB/DB lines all the way to Konstanz
  • Ferry to Cherbourg, SNCF to Paris then either one of the above TGV routes to Germany or Switzerland
  • Ferry to Cherbourg, then SNCF and DB classic lines all the way to Konstanz
As for getting from Konstanz to Prague, one can go by train via Munich with several changes, but it appears that there are also direct coaches which depart from Meersburg, just on the other side of the lake.
 

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If I were to do that journey I would probably take the E* to Paris, then either the TER to Strasbourg (Loco-hauled Corail, Mo-Fr only and only twice a day I believe) or a TGV to Strasbourg, then local train to Offenburg changing there to the Black Forest Railway to Konstanz.

Another nice option would be TGV from Paris to Mulhouse, then loco hauled Corail TER to Basel SBB, then a train to Basel Bad for the RE from Basel Bad via Schaffhausen to Singen and a train to Konstanz from there. But if you haven't done the Black Forest Railway yet I would certainly recommend including it in your itinerary.
 
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An alternative would be Paris direct to Karlsruhe (about 2½ hours' travel time), then Karlsruhe direct to Konstanz (just over 3 hours).
 

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If you are doing Interrail, then you might as well take advantage of being able to start/finish in GB, and do Poole-Konstanz in the day. I would go via TGV Est to Strasbourg, local to Offenburg (Note - it departs from a remote platform in Strasbourg, a bit like 0 at Cardiff or Doncaster but further) and forward on the Schwarzwaldbahn. It cuts the TGV reservation fee to a tolerable level too.
(PS I see I am not alone!)

IMO the Paris-Zürich route is less attractive (again, leave the TGV at Mulhouse on cost grounds).

If you want to take an extra day, then using non-TGV routes from Cherbourg to Strasbourg (or Mulhouse-Freiburg then the Hõllental line to Villingen) would be interesting. Especially convenient if you can get one of the overnight sailings and make the most of your first day's travel.

(BTW, I would regard Meersburg-Prague by coach as a poor alternative to rail - unless time is of the essence or you like motorways :) )
 

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Later on in the week we made a journey around the southern shore of Lake Konstanz on SBB trains, catching a RE from Konstanz to St Gallen before changing onto the Zurich-Munich intercity train to Bregenz. The RE train configuration was similar to that of a Class 450, but with more space and colourful headrests on the seats.

The RE Konstanz - St Gallen is opearted by Thurbo RABe 526.28. They are Stadler GTW family (precursor to the now ubiquitous Flirt family) so are nothing like 450s which are Siemens Desiro family. In fact the whole of NorthEast Switzerland is now covered by Thurbo using Stadler EMUs.

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The St Gallen - Bregenz train was very much like a Pendolino,

That would be because it is a Pendolino!

Following electrification of the Munchen - Lindau railway (which saw the :( end of the lovely loco hauled Munchen - Zurich Eurocity trains with 2x218 diesel haulage in Germany and 2 x Re4/4II haulage in Switzerland) the Munchen - Zurich inter city services are worked by ETR610 units cascaded from the Gotthard route




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St Gallen...is actually comparable to somewhere like Manchester or Newcastle.

...erm... not really (even larger Swiss cities are tiny when compared to Germany and UK):


city Population: St Gallen 75,000; Newcastle 280,000; Manchester 551,900
city area: St Gallen 39 sq km; Newcastle 115sq km; Manchester 115 sq km

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St Gallen, There are trams,

They are not city trams in the conventional sense. The St Gallen urban tramway network closed in 1957. There were two roadside light railways out of St Gallen in different directions each with their own terminus near the main station, the Trogenerbahn (TB) to Speicher and Trogen and the St Gallen - Gais Appenzell (SGA) to Gais and Appenzell. As part of the general push in Switzerland to large regional conglomerates of light railways, both the TB and SGA are now part of the Appenzellerbahnen organisation. Within the last couple of years, the TB and SGA routes have been linked together in St Gallen (following the route of the original urban tram track) and re-equipped with modern LRV type vehicles and as is happening right across Switzerland the delineation between trams and light railways has been muddied to a high degree.
 
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In order to make Konstanz comfortably in time for dinner, you'll have to be on the 0540 Poole to Waterloo I'm afraid! Looking at my newly arrived 'European Rail Timetable' your best option seems to be:-

Poole 0540 Waterloo 0749 St. Pancras 0931 Paris Nord 1247 Paris Est 1355 Strasbourg 1541 / 1620 Offenburg 1652 / 1659 (or 1759) Konstanz 1916
(or 2016).

You could make Paris Est for 1355 comfortably from Cherbourg from the overnight boat (from Portsmouth) as an alternative.

I'm not sure how much time you need at St. Pancras these days (plus the vagaries of the Northern / Piccadilly lines) so the the 0500 from Poole might be safer. Hmm!
 

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In order to make Konstanz comfortably in time for dinner, you'll have to be on the 0540 Poole to Waterloo I'm afraid! Looking at my newly arrived 'European Rail Timetable' your best option seems to be:-

Poole 0540 Waterloo 0749 St. Pancras 0931 Paris Nord 1247 Paris Est 1355 Strasbourg 1541 / 1620 Offenburg 1652 / 1659 (or 1759) Konstanz 1916
(or 2016).

You could make Paris Est for 1355 comfortably from Cherbourg from the overnight boat (from Portsmouth) as an alternative.

I'm not sure how much time you need at St. Pancras these days (plus the vagaries of the Northern / Piccadilly lines) so the the 0500 from Poole might be safer. Hmm!
You're meant to be 90 mins early at St. Pancras now so I would get the 0500 from Poole, although the 0540 would likely be fine if it was on time
 

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I did TGV to Strasbourg and then tram to Kehl plus local bus to Offenburg. Although my destination in this case was Sofia (by air from Frankfurt).
 

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In order to make Konstanz comfortably in time for dinner, you'll have to be on the 0540 Poole to Waterloo I'm afraid! Looking at my newly arrived 'European Rail Timetable' your best option seems to be:-

Poole 0540 Waterloo 0749 St. Pancras 0931 Paris Nord 1247 Paris Est 1355 Strasbourg 1541 / 1620 Offenburg 1652 / 1659 (or 1759) Konstanz 1916
(or 2016).

You could make Paris Est for 1355 comfortably from Cherbourg from the overnight boat (from Portsmouth) as an alternative.

I'm not sure how much time you need at St. Pancras these days (plus the vagaries of the Northern / Piccadilly lines) so the the 0500 from Poole might be safer. Hmm!

I was absolutely fine arriving at St P barely an hour before my morning train recently, even a couple of days before Christmas weekend with the train seemingly completely full.

As to the vagaries of the Northern/Piccadilly - I find the quickest and easiest from Waterloo to StP is the Bakerloo/Victoria, with cross-platform interchange at Ox Circ. (And, of course, leaving the Vic platform via the old exit at KX, not following the signs via the new hike around the bowels of the Kings Cross area.)

The Paris-Strasbourg route isn't especially scenic, but convenient since it's from Paris Est, almost next door to Paris Nord where you arrive on the train from London. And it has local trains to Offenburg every half hour. (Re the comment above about those local trains going from a remote platform ... well, not that remote; the main problem in my view is that the station at Strasbourg is a bit of a cramped and tatty place, considering that it's one of France's major cities.)
 

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The Paris-Strasbourg route isn't especially scenic, but convenient since it's from Paris Est, almost next door to Paris Nord where you arrive on the train from London. And it has local trains to Offenburg every half hour…
I’d echo the convenience of Paris Est/Strasbourg. Every time I’ve been that way, the local to Offenburg was a level walk from the TGV arrival platform (in the UK it would probably be e.g. platforms 1 and 1A).
But that local is only half-hourly some of the day, while at other times it’s an hour gap between trains.
Last time I caught it, we were delayed en route (single line section at Appenweier) by a late running train from Germany.
 
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Last month I bought an Interrail seat reservation for between Paris Gare de L'est and Offenburg, on 3rd March 2023, and later received the message below from SNCF. Whether the maintenance work is for that day only, or for additional days, isn't mentioned.


Bonjour,

Votre train 9401 du 03/03 départ à 12:46 ne pourra pas desservir la gare de OFFENBOURG en raison de travaux sur les voies.

Si vous souhaitez reprogrammer votre voyage ou obtenir son remboursement, nous vous invitons à vous rendre en ligne sur le site de nos agences agréées ou dans l’un de nos autres points de vente.

Nous nous excusons pour la gêne occasionnée.

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Hello,

Your train 9401 on 03/03 will not be stopping at OFFENBOURG due to track modernisation work.

If you would like to reschedule your journey or refund your ticket, please contact your original selling point.

We apologize for any inconvenience.
 

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Last month I bought an Interrail seat reservation for between Paris Gare de L'est and Offenburg, on 3rd March 2023, and later received the message below from SNCF. Whether the maintenance work is for that day only, or for additional days, isn't mentioned.

Also applies on 24 Feb - according to DB, anyway! - with the train terminating at Strasbourg.
I’d echo the convenience of Paris Est/Strasbourg. Every time I’ve been that way, the local to Offenburg was a level walk from the TGV arrival platform (in the UK it would probably be e.g. platforms 1 and 1A).
Yes, checking again it's not as far as it felt the first time I did it in a tearing hurry (when the TGV didn't arrive on 1!).
 
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