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Barneyinparis

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Earlier today me and my GF took a small train ride to her house. It was 30 pounds each for a ticket for a small journey and as we didn’t have enough money, I purchased her a Child ticket. She is nearly 17 and I just turned 18 and we thought we could get away with it. However a ticket inspector asked her date of birth and she told him the truth. Is there anything she should do like appeal? or is it just worth paying?
 
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@Barneyinparis. Welcome to the forum. It should be possible to resolve the matter without being taken to court (who was the train company by the way?) but it's likely that your partner will be asked, in due course, to pay the full, undiscounted, adult Anytime Day Single fare, plus a three figure sum towards the train company's investigation and admin costs. Which will mean that they haven't saved any money, rather the opposite!

BTW, was a Penalty Fare issued, or some other Ticket Irregularity (?) document?

Presume this was a one-off incident, and investigation of the relevant ticket purchasing history won't show any additional similar occasions when you weren't stopped.
 

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@Barneyinparis. Welcome to the forum. It should be possible to resolve the matter without being taken to court (who was the train company by the way?) but it's likely that your partner will be asked, in die course, to pay the full, undiscounted, adult Anytime Day Single fare, plus a three figure sum towards the train company's investigation and admin costs. Which will mean that they haven't saved any money, rather the opposite!

Presume this was a one-off incident, and investigation of the relevant ticket purchasing history won't show any additional similar occasions when you weren't stopped.
It was with GWR. However it says the sum is 82 pounds on the leaflet. So are you saying if I bought a ticket for her before? Which I may of allegedly did around a couple months ago on the same company, I will have to pay that one too?

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What was she given when she was stopped?
While on the train she was given a leaflet that stated she had to pay 82 pounds. The guy got her name and address. He got my ticket aswell and read me out my full name. I think it was meant in a like semi threatening way.
 

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It was with GWR. However it says the sum is 82 pounds on the leaflet. So are you saying if I bought a ticket for her before? Which I did around a couple months ago on the same company, I will have to pay that one too?

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While on the train she was given a leaflet that stated she had to pay 82 pounds. The guy got her name and address. He got my ticket aswell and read me out my full name. I think it was meant in a like semi threatening way.
Can you please upload a photo (with any identifying details covered) so we can see exactly what you were given. It's unclear what actually was issued from your description.
 

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So are you saying if I bought a ticket for her before? Which I did around a couple months ago on the same company, I will have to pay that one too?
It's entirely possible. Child fares are only for persons aged 5 to 15. Someone aged 16 just a couple of months ago would have been too old for a Child ticket, so, if you bought the previous ticket, you may get asked about this if the train company are minded to do some digging.

As @skyhigh has requested, could you upload a copy of the document/leaflet issued earlier, with any name, address and reference number(s) suitably covered up?
 

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I see 3 options available to you:

1) Pay the £82.70 as soon as possible and ensure you keep receipt of payment very safely for at least 6 months!
2) Appeal the penalty. Unfortunately I don't see any reason based on what you have said that would be successful.
3) Ignore the note completely - very unwise and will soon escalate into £82.70 plus a minimum of £100 admin costs. DO NOT DO OPTION 3!

Hard lesson I'm afraid. Do option 1 and don't repeat.

Good luck
 

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I see 3 options available to you:

1) Pay the £82.70 as soon as possible and ensure you keep receipt of payment very safely for at least 6 months!
2) Appeal the penalty. Unfortunately I don't see any reason based on what you have said that would be successful.
3) Ignore the note completely - very unwise and will soon escalate into £82.70 plus a minimum of £100 admin costs. DO NOT DO OPTION 3!

Hard lesson I'm afraid. Do option 1 and don't repeat.

Good luck
Ok, thank-you.
 

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And if you pay the £82.70 now then that should be the end of it and you should hear no more about it. That is by far and away the cheapest and best option.
You have no grounds for appeal.
 

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And if you pay the £82.70 now then that should be the end of it and you should hear no more about it. That is by far and away the cheapest and best option.
You have no grounds for appeal.
Ok thankyou. What about if I allegedly lied about my age before on another ticket a few months ago? Will they dig that up too?
 

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Ok, thank-you.

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Are you saying that they will look at my other ticket purchases if I do not pay?
If you used an on-line retailer to purchase the tickets, and you gave them details of either who that was, or details of the tickets themselves, then even if you do pay, they could still review your account. However, you don't have to admit that any previous purchases were of a similar nature and it will be for them to prove that you didn't travel with someone under 16 if you purchased said ticket. Should be fine if you purchased an adult one for yourself at the same time (for yourself). But if you only purchased child tickets in the last 2 years, and they are aware you are 18 now, it might raise eyebrows if they do decide to look at further.

The best option is still to pay the money asap and deal with any follow-up issues if and when they arise (ask the forum!).

And whatever you do, don't request a refund of the £17 you paid for the invalid child ticket today. Now that will raise eyebrows!
 

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If you used an on-line retailer to purchase the tickets, and you gave them details of either who that was, or details of the tickets themselves, then even if you do pay, they could still review your account. However, you don't have to admit that any previous purchases were of a similar nature and it will be for them to prove that you didn't travel with someone under 16 if you purchased said ticket. Should be fine if you purchased an adult one for yourself at the same time (for yourself). But if you only purchased child tickets in the last 2 years, and they are aware you are 18 now, it might raise eyebrows if they do decide to look at further.

The best option is still to pay the money asap and deal with any follow-up issues if and when they arise (ask the forum!).

And whatever you do, don't request a refund of the £17 you paid for the invalid child ticket today. Now that will raise eyebrows!
Ok thank you. She is going to pay the fine tonight.
 

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Ok thank you. She is going to pay the fine tonight.
Good. Hopefully your ages play a role here in that a short sharp shock is more likely to ensure you pay correctly for train travel in the future. Get a railcard, tell your friends that it isn't worth travelling without paying the full fare. You might save a few ££s now, only to have to spend them when you might be more in need of them in the future. Oh, and the possible criminal record should the worst happen (something you have avoided here by being pro-active).
 

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Hi, It was near Exeter, however due to me being paranoid I didn’t state which station as I didn’t want them to get me in more trouble.
I don't think it's relevant and doesn't need to be revealed as TOCs have been known to read these forums.
 

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Good. Hopefully your ages play a role here in that a short sharp shock is more likely to ensure you pay correctly for train travel in the future. Get a railcard, tell your friends that it isn't worth travelling without paying the full fare. You might save a few ££s now, only to have to spend them when you might be more in need of them in the future. Oh, and the possible criminal record should the worst happen (something you have avoided here by being pro-active).
Thankyou. She is investing in a railcard. I do feel bad, however I didn’t know how bad the consequences would be as all my friends bunk trains and lie about age all the time. I have learnt my lesson and so has she.
 

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Probably worth you checking out which Railcard might best suit your and or your Girlfriends needs going forwards for reduced fares and getting one of them to make future travel legit, but cheaper.

EDIT - just seen your post saying you have already done this!

Also - getting issued with the Penalty Fare is probably the least worst option price wise - as the other options are being reported for prosecution and sorting that out and avoiding a criminal record etc is way more complex and certainly more costly than the Penalty Fare sum (see loads of other threads on this forum).

I note what you say about others lying but it's just not worth it really, even though the saving of the money at the time seems like a good idea. If age is suitable for it the 16-17 Railcard gives the 50% discount anyway IIRC. Others will know but you may even be able to buy one of these a few days before your 18th birthday and get the discount for a period after you turn 18 (check this out if thinking of doing it as I've not checked - but you could certainly do this with a 16-25 Railcard and get extra validity which is what I did when I was about to get too old to be eligible for one!)
 
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I don't think it's relevant and doesn't need to be revealed as TOCs have been known to read these forums.
It is relevant in that if the incorrect fare is used the notice is void and will be overturned on appeal.
 

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It is relevant in that if the incorrect fare is used the notice is void and will be overturned on appeal.
I actually think it might be the wrong fare amount she got given. It was Starcross to Bridgwater train. but changed at exeter early this morning.
 

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Is it wise to appeal a notice served due to an adult using a child ticket? Paying will likely discharge the whole event and not provoke further investigation. If there is a risk that further things might be discovered that require explanation, then it might be better to accept it as it is and pay.
 

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Is there anyway to delete this forum now? I feel as if its ok as the fine has been paid
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I actually think it might be the wrong fare amount she got given. It was Starcross to Bridgwater train. but changed at exeter early this morning.

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Is there anyway to delete this forum now? I feel as if its ok as the fine has been paid
I believe you have to send a private message to the Moderators requesting this and why you think it needs deleting. The point of these forums is for information for all. It is part of the T&C's signed up for when creating an account. They might be able to anonomise parts, but I would personally be against any deletion of the essence of the thread.
 

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I believe you have to send a private message to the Moderators requesting this and why you think it needs deleting. The point of these forums is for information for all. It is part of the T&C's signed up for when creating an account. They might be able to anonomise parts, but I would personally be against any deletion of the essence of the thread.
I am lying about most info and about the county I was in. And lying about the event taking place today and about the fare price. Only to keep myself anonymous.
 
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