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http://www.parliament.uk/business/c...ct/transport-committee/news/rail-2020-report/

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmtran/329/329.pdf

Here is the Rail 2020 Report which has been published by the Transport Select Committee today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20900087
BBC said:
Higher peak-time rail fares opposed

The government should rule out using peak-time train fare rises to manage passenger numbers, MPs have said.


A Commons Transport committee report said this "would for the most part be a tax on commuters who have no effective choice over how or when they travel".

Many lower-paid workers could not avoid travelling at peak times, it said.

The government said it was "looking at how fares might be used to spread demand more evenly". Increases in fares of about 4% have come in this week.

The MPs' report sets out their vision for the rail network by 2020.

Committee chair, Labour MP Louise Ellman, said: "The government wants to reduce the cost of the railway to taxpayers, but it must not do so by ramping up fares which can be complex and are often very expensive.

"Ministers must urgently set out a long-term policy on fares and rule out using higher fares to reduce peak demand for train services."

Prices are already cheaper outside of the 07:00 to 10:00 and 16:00 to 19:00 peak periods, but the idea is that pricing variations could be introduced even within those periods to "smooth" commuter demand.

"Higher prices at peak times might make a difference to demand at the margin but would for the most part be a tax on commuters who have no effective choice over how or when they travel," the MPs said.

The government is carrying out a fares and ticketing review, which is due to conclude in May, as part of a drive to find billions of pounds in efficiency savings and reduce taxpayer-funded subsidies to the railways.
 
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Had a quick read through it and it seems to skirt around a number of issues. Essentially it's mostly a narrative and set of opinions and doesn't offer any real solutions.

There's a collision course coming between the TOCs, NR, the Government, the Unions and passengers. There is a limit of how much you can squeeze out of passengers and right now a limit of tax payers money. The industry is too expensive and is stuck in a cul-de-sac, which it cannot seem to easily address, exacerbated by increases in passenger numbers.

People, cannot seem to decide whether it is a business or public service. This seems to be a political question.

Add to this there are a couple of real elephants in the room which the politicians seem unable to address or won't address. One wage levels are out of control and privatisation has not addressed costs or introduced much in the way or real efficiency - apart from freight.

Firstly private companies seen unable to make efficiencies. Yes, passenger numbers have doubled but so have costs. There have been many suggestions to why this may be including:

- Increase in capital costs, introduced to accommodative additional numbers and to make up for past under investment.
- Increase in staff costs, while the unions criticise privatisation there is no question their members have done very well out of it. For example drivers are now on 50-75k per year, which puts them in the top 5-10% of earners. This wasn't the case under BR.
- Running more, shorter trains. In theory a longer train, with the same number of crew taking the same path as a shorter train is cheaper, provided seat factors are kept high through yield management. The airline industry cut costs from the 60s using larger planes, whereas the rail industry has used shorter trains, requiring more crew, more trains, more paths and in some cases more infrastructure. Although it must be recognised that rail is not the same market as a whole and people demand walk on travel, where frequency is important.
- More industry interfaces and management. In any company management is a sign of inefficiency, very small companies tend to have less of it, because it's expensive. In some cases there are no managers, for example in professional practice. The railway's solution to everything seems to introduce more, often at the expense of front line workers. Middle management numbers have spiralled under privatisation. This was not well understood at privatisation essentially the idea was to introduce competition, all that has happened is complexity and interfaces (which require more managers) have gone up.
- Artificial costs have been introduced - compensation, accounting for staff travel, train leasing and so on
- Constant interference from government has led to private companies building in more cost because of risk. There was less government control and money going in when it was nationalised.
- Innovation in the rail industry is low, although there is signs this is changing, R&D budgets are almost non-existent in many cases.

The government doesn't seen to want to introduce full privatisation, as suggested by Dr Richard Wellings, because of the inevitable fall out when many lines are closed. There is also a lack of consideration by economists in the UK many of our cities were built around railways, and people rely on rail for commuting, especially in London. High house prices mean people need to commute more in the SE. Closing rural lines could potentially mean more rural depopulation, which means more people move to cities, which in turn puts house prices under pressure, which means some people have to commute.

On the other hand the government doesn't want to introduce full nationalisation, nor control wages, because it would be seen as interfering in the market. Even though the market is almost entirely artificial and does not operate like most other businesses.
 

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It's worth ploughing through this report and its annexes of evidence.
There is no doubt the railway is at a dangerous crossroads at the moment, and the report paints a gruesome picture of railway finances and policies.

There is a lot about rail subsidies, but it is clear there is no transparency about the detail, notably about how Network Rail's grant is spent, and cost/revenue by service or route. Worse, the DfT is not thought to have the skills or motivation to chart an improved future other than using the same old empirical rules as now (increasing the farepayer proportion of funding, for instance).

There are some truly frightening submissions to the TSC, with one committee member (Richard Wellings) recommending "privatise and be damned" as the way out.
This would inevitably mean bulk closures.

Another one which raised my eyebrows was by an outfit called Transport Watch.
This said the traffic carried by rail was "trivial" and the railways should be converted to reserved truck/coach routes to de-congest the roads.
There is a telling photograph included of the eight-track layout at Battersea showing a single train.

These are their conclusions (ROR 09, in Volume III):

Originally submitted by Transport Watch.

Conclusion
20.
In the light of the above the beliefs expressed by Justine Greening and Philip Hammond, that rail is vital to the economy, seem misplaced if not entirely vacuous. Nevertheless those beliefs are held by the majority – a triumph of railway propaganda over reality. For that reason Sir Roy restricted himself to examining the railway as though it were
perpetually bound to be nothing but a railway. Let us hope that the savings he identifies do not turn out to be illusory, but, whatever the case, a great opportunity has been lost.
21.
Had Sir Roy interpreted his brief more widely he may have found that the railways are indeed the disaster that we paint above. He might then have canvassed for the more lightly used parts of this immense rail network – it is 10,000 miles long – to be converted to reserved motor roads, managed to avoid congestion via road pricing or otherwise.
22.
If that were to be done, the trivial services offered by rail on those brilliantly engineered, almost flat and straight rights of way would be discharged by express coaches and lorries at a fraction of the cost of the train. Additionally countless thousands of other lorries and other vehicles would divert from the unsuitable rural roads and city streets that they now clog. The environmental benefit would be overwhelming, the tax burden imposed on the nation by the railways would be converted to a profit and the many thousands of hectares of near derelict land that abuts railways, particularly the stations, would become intensely valuable.
23.
If the taxpayer is to be rescued from the endless drain on resources that the railways are and to capitalise upon the benefits of converting elements of it to roads then those in power need to set aside preconceived ideas, and act in the light of the facts. We commend to the Committee that they should take note.
24.
Those who disbelieve should contemplate the strategic road network paved with railway lines. The place would be at a near standstill, as are the railways in highway terms.

I realise this is only a roads pressure group (mostly with the perception that the government takes motorists' hard-earned tax money and spends/wastes it on subsidising the railways), but it shows what a mountain there is for the rail industry to climb.
 
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Had a quick read through it and it seems to skirt around a number of issues. Essentially it's mostly a narrative and set of opinions and doesn't offer any real solutions.

There's a collision course coming between the TOCs, NR, the Government, the Unions and passengers. There is a limit of how much you can squeeze out of passengers and right now a limit of tax payers money. The industry is too expensive and is stuck in a cul-de-sac, which it cannot seem to easily address, exacerbated by increases in passenger numbers.

People, cannot seem to decide whether it is a business or public service. This seems to be a political question.

Add to this there are a couple of real elephants in the room which the politicians seem unable to address or won't address. One wage levels are out of control and privatisation has not addressed costs or introduced much in the way or real efficiency - apart from freight.

Firstly private companies seen unable to make efficiencies. Yes, passenger numbers have doubled but so have costs. There have been many suggestions to why this may be including:

- Increase in capital costs, introduced to accommodative additional numbers and to make up for past under investment.
- Increase in staff costs, while the unions criticise privatisation there is no question their members have done very well out of it. For example drivers are now on 50-75k per year, which puts them in the top 5-10% of earners. This wasn't the case under BR.
- Running more, shorter trains. In theory a longer train, with the same number of crew taking the same path as a shorter train is cheaper, provided seat factors are kept high through yield management. The airline industry cut costs from the 60s using larger planes, whereas the rail industry has used shorter trains, requiring more crew, more trains, more paths and in some cases more infrastructure. Although it must be recognised that rail is not the same market as a whole and people demand walk on travel, where frequency is important.
- More industry interfaces and management. In any company management is a sign of inefficiency, very small companies tend to have less of it, because it's expensive. In some cases there are no managers, for example in professional practice. The railway's solution to everything seems to introduce more, often at the expense of front line workers. Middle management numbers have spiralled under privatisation. This was not well understood at privatisation essentially the idea was to introduce competition, all that has happened is complexity and interfaces (which require more managers) have gone up.
- Artificial costs have been introduced - compensation, accounting for staff travel, train leasing and so on
- Constant interference from government has led to private companies building in more cost because of risk. There was less government control and money going in when it was nationalised.
- Innovation in the rail industry is low, although there is signs this is changing, R&D budgets are almost non-existent in many cases.

The government doesn't seen to want to introduce full privatisation, as suggested by Dr Richard Wellings, because of the inevitable fall out when many lines are closed. There is also a lack of consideration by economists in the UK many of our cities were built around railways, and people rely on rail for commuting, especially in London. High house prices mean people need to commute more in the SE. Closing rural lines could potentially mean more rural depopulation, which means more people move to cities, which in turn puts house prices under pressure, which means some people have to commute.

On the other hand the government doesn't want to introduce full nationalisation, nor control wages, because it would be seen as interfering in the market. Even though the market is almost entirely artificial and does not operate like most other businesses.

Most drivers do not earn £50k-70k, most driver are on around the £40k a year mark. But how many people have to get up at 3am some days and others don't finish until 2am in the morning and have such stringent rules regarding alcohol consumption etc?
 

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Most drivers do not earn £50k-70k, most driver are on around the £40k a year mark. But how many people have to get up at 3am some days and others don't finish until 2am in the morning and have such stringent rules regarding alcohol consumption etc?

Many other professions, but that's not the point. I think what Metroland is pointing out, and what is evident to those in the industry too, is that unit staff costs have increased by over 30% in real terms since 1994 (the exact figure escapes me as I don't have my hard-drive to hand currently). That cannot continue, it is not sustainable. No-one wants to tackle it though... So make the most of it :lol:
 

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It's worth ploughing through this report and its annexes of evidence.
There is no doubt the railway is at a dangerous crossroads at the moment, and the report paints a gruesome picture of railway finances and policies.

There is a lot about rail subsidies, but it is clear there is no transparency about the detail, notably about how Network Rail's grant is spent, and cost/revenue by service or route. Worse, the DfT is not thought to have the skills or motivation to chart an improved future other than using the same old empirical rules as now (increasing the farepayer proportion of funding, for instance).

There are some truly frightening submissions to the TSC, with one committee member (Richard Wellings) recommending "privatise and be damned" as the way out.
This would inevitably mean bulk closures.

Another one which raised my eyebrows was by an outfit called Transport Watch.
This said the traffic carried by rail was "trivial" and the railways should be converted to reserved truck/coach routes to de-congest the roads.


These are their conclusions (ROR 09, in Volume III):



I realise this is only a roads pressure group (mostly with the perception that the government takes motorists' hard-earned tax money and spends/wastes it on subsidising the railways), but it shows what a mountain there is for the rail industry to climb.

Wouldn't take any notice of TW, it's a one man bus-spotting obsessive. Apart from no bus company is going to pay £100 bn plus to convert the rail network for a service 2-3 times slower - actually buses are even more heavily subsidised than trains in many cases - his figures leave a lot to be desired and have been addressed before elsewhere on this forum. Most of them are fanciful and he doesn't show any real understanding of the problems whatever he likes to pretend. The road network is 23 times bigger than the rail network, yet despite this is in permanent log-jam round cities and the bus/coach network has no more pass kms than rail.

There is a telling photograph included of the eight-track layout at Battersea showing a single train.

Probably with 1000 passengers on, which on a standard A road with a normal average commuter load would take an hour to go by! Yet, they'll be another 20-30s on the one track alone in the next hour - he's a little economical with the truth and somewhat skewed, that's why very few take him seriously. Who is he trying to kid anyway? The reason the roads appear to make money for the government (they don't if you take external costs into account) is cars are vastly expensive things to run (usually about £400-800 a month for the average owner) buses and trucks are cross-subsidised by cars. The idea overall that we would be better off as a society is somewhat fanciful, especially as the average fare is a fiver and total revenue is no more than £200 a year per person.

Nevertheless the railways are under pressure, and they need to cut costs, passengers are not just going to keep paying higher fares, nor are tax payers going to keep writing blank cheques.
 
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Many other professions, but that's not the point. I think what Metroland is pointing out, and what is evident to those in the industry too, is that unit staff costs have increased by over 30% in real terms since 1994 (the exact figure escapes me as I don't have my hard-drive to hand currently). That cannot continue, it is not sustainable. No-one wants to tackle it though... So make the most of it :lol:

Indeed I do not take my job for granted as I know lots of people would love to be in my position and I do make the most of it. I think NR waste vast amounts of money as was pointed out in a panorama episode.
 

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I read through the rail 2020 vision report and a government note on franchises. What struck me most was that the first stated that in the 2011-12 fnancial period the net cost to government was over 3bn whereas in the second, it stated that the government actually received net income of nearly 0.5bn (excluding Scotrail. Merseyrail and NR).

Logically, this implies the three not included in the franchises report must have "cost" the government 3.5bn.

The situation however is potentially very positive if one considers that the current 3bn is significantly less that the nearly 7bn of 4-5 years ago and that this reduction is a combination of reductions in NR costs and particularly higher net franchise receipts. Indeed, if it were possible to maintain the trend then well before 2020 the net should pass through zero. So where is the real problem?

If the government were simply to state that Britain, like any other European country, needs rail because roads alone cannot deliver the quality of life that the population collectively is demanding, then hopefully we will have the criteria to determine what rail 2020 should be.

Where is the government report comparing the cost-benefit of HS2 (or even HS1) with an equivalent and new motorway capable of similar transit times?
 

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Glancing through these sorts of reports, It does worry me that whenever someone says that the railways are costing so many billions of pounds, there doesn't appear to be much appreciation of the difference between long term capital investment, required to increase the capacity of the passenger carrying network, and revenue spend required to keep un-renumerative routes going for social reasons.

I think if Government has a clearer idea of which was which, it could then begin to say which sorts of lines require this, and which sorts shouldn't require it. It would then ideally be able to point to a large chunk of expenditure as being an investment for future growth, rather than everything just appearing to go into a black hole.

All of this seems to be getting mixed up in peoples minds, which doesn't really help.
 
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