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Rail Minister: Chris Heaton-Harris replaced by Wendy Morton

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Did anyone? :) I think CH-H has got the tougher job. I wonder who told Boris they wanted things moved around.
CH-H was a junior Brexit minister in the May government, and an MEP before that, so he knows how "Europe" works.
I expect he will be bag-carrying for Liz Truss on the Brexit brief.
Probably seen as more important than railway knowledge in DfT, at least for now.
 
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Wendy Morton, MP for Aldridge-Brownhills. Is there a single railway station in the constituency?

No, not even a passenger railway. Yet.

CH-H was a junior Brexit minister in the May government, and an MEP before that, so he knows how "Europe" works.
I expect he will be bag-carrying for Liz Truss on the Brexit brief.
Probably seen as more important than railway knowledge in DfT, at least for now.

Before he was an MP he was also an MEP and Chief Whip for the conservatives in the European Parliament. in U.K. Parliament he chaired the ‘European Research Group‘ of eurosceptic MPs. It seems that Europe is his specialised subject.
 

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No, not even a passenger railway. Yet.
I thought the same. I think it must be one of the most urban constituencies in the country with no rail service (it is effectively a horseshoe around Walsall for those who do not wish to be associated with Walsall). I don't mean this from some abstract thought that every constituency should have a rail service, but more that few of the electorate will make any meaningful railway use, and thus the MP will hear little or nothing about it - or use it.
 

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I thought the same. I think it must be one of the most urban constituencies in the country with no rail service (it is effectively a horseshoe around Walsall for those who do not wish to be associated with Walsall). I don't mean this from some abstract thought that every constituency should have a rail service, but more that few of the electorate will make any meaningful railway use, and thus the MP will hear little or nothing about it - or use it.

many Aldridgians drive to Blake St for the Cross City.
 

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I just looked up the constituency... Tories got 70.8% of the vote in the 2019 election. That seems an extraordinarily safe Conservative seat considering it's apparent semi-urban commuter nature. Must be one of their safest seats in the country! Can anyone who knows the area comment on why the Conservatives are so strong there?
 

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in U.K. Parliament he chaired the ‘European Research Group‘ of eurosceptic MPs.
Has anyone ever worked out what the ERG were actually researching? It certainly wasn't with an open mind, that's for sure.
 

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I just looked up the constituency... Tories got 70.8% of the vote in the 2019 election. That seems an extraordinarily safe Conservative seat considering it's apparent semi-urban commuter nature. Must be one of their safest seats in the country! Can anyone who knows the area comment on why the Conservatives are so strong there?

It’s not even in the Top 30 safest seats in the country. (16 of the top 20 are Labour, and the top 5 all on Merseyside).
 

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Well that didn't last long.
Chris Heaton-Harris, who was Rail Minister until 19 December last before moving to the Foreign Office, has now become Tory Chief Whip in the latest reshuffle.
So in the Cabinet post he'll be persuading Tory MPs to support the GBR and HS2 Phase 2b legislation coming down the track (among much else).
 

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Also Wendy Morton moved up a level to become "Minister of State" yesterday.
 

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Also Wendy Morton moved up a level to become "Minister of State" yesterday.
Indeed was she on probation before they upgraded her from Parliamentary under Secretary? Anyhow presumably now the Minister for Rail although DofT webpage hasn't been updated yet.
 

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So essentially there are two Ministers of State for rail, one for "HS2/NPR" (Andrew Stephenson), and one for "Classic Rail/NR/GBR" (Wendy Morton).
 

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So essentially there are two Ministers of State for rail, one for "HS2/NPR" (Andrew Stephenson), and one for "Classic Rail/NR/GBR" (Wendy Morton).
One should never underestimate the proportion of ministerial time and bandwidth spent on 'rail', given that the Secretary of State is also heavily personally involved. For all that the DfT is sometimes derided for being the 'Ministry of Roads', etc. the railways seem to get a larger slice of attention (and direct money) than their current modal share might imply.
 

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One should never underestimate the proportion of ministerial time and bandwidth spent on 'rail', given that the Secretary of State is also heavily personally involved. For all that the DfT is sometimes derided for being the 'Ministry of Roads', etc. the railways seem to get a larger slice of attention (and direct money) than their current modal share might imply.

agreed. There’s two Permanent Secretaries in the Department now too.
 

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One should never underestimate the proportion of ministerial time and bandwidth spent on 'rail', given that the Secretary of State is also heavily personally involved. For all that the DfT is sometimes derided for being the 'Ministry of Roads', etc. the railways seem to get a larger slice of attention (and direct money) than their current modal share might imply.

Hopefully this is an indication of direction of travel for rail (i.e. not one where it's getting smaller, rather that there's a need for two people to deal with it in central government; of course it could be that two are needed as things are going so badly that it also needs significant bandwidth).
 

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Hopefully this is an indication of direction of travel for rail (i.e. not one where it's getting smaller, rather that there's a need for two people to deal with it in central government; of course it could be that two are needed as things are going so badly that it also needs significant bandwidth).
Or both.

one for the bit that’s getting bigger (HS2, NPR), and one for the bit with the difficult decisions (the rest).
 

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The DfT provides the infrastructure for drivers (not petrol stations), while they provide the rail infrastructure and service for passengers. Perhaps that accounts for the extra attention and cost.
 

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Why don't trams, buses and active travel (ie walking and cycling) have their own Ministries, if the government is that serious about getting people out of cars?
 

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Why don't trams, buses and active travel (ie walking and cycling) have their own Ministries, if the government is that serious about getting people out of cars?
Assuming you mean ministers not ministries (a separate Department for Trams seems completely implausible, so I'm assuming that's a typo), it's worth noting that there are limits on the numbers of paid ministers the Government is allowed to have at once.* Currently the total maximum number is 109, but within this there are maximum numbers for Cabinet ministers, ministers of state, other ministers, whips etc. This is for a very good reason - it wouldn't be healthy for the governing party or coalition to have too many of its MPs as part of the 'payroll vote', limiting opportunities for internal dissent and scrutiny. In addition, it needs MPs to carry out various non-ministerial roles (parliamentary private secretaries, select committee members and chairs etc.), plus there will always be a number of MPs who either do not want to be a minister or who are thought to be unsuitable for one reason or another. All this means that the Government can't appoint as many ministers as it wants - if it wants more in one department, it has to reduce them in another.

The DfT currently has has six ministers. Active travel is currently one of Trudy Harrison's ten listed responsibilities, while buses and light rail are two of Baroness Vere's five listed responsibilities. Giving each of those three areas its own minister without changing anything else in the DfT would mean it'd have nine ministers, and there'd be three less ministers elsewhere in the Government.* This would give the DfT the most ministers of any department other than the Cabinet Office, alongside the Foreign Office and Home Office (and as both those departments have ministers whose role is partially in other departments, it would arguably make DfT the second overall). Realistically, that's completely unjustifiable - yes, transport is important; no, it's not that important.

Obviously, you can reprioritise things while keeping the same number of ministers by rearranging their responsibilities, but there may be other factors constraining this (e.g. the amount of legislation and other work expected for different policy areas). Ultimately, like a lot of Government, it's about making choices and picking priorities as you very rarely have the resources or ability to do absolutely everything you want. If you want to spend more time on one thing, chances are something else will have to give, either in that department or elsewhere.

*Though there is no limit on the number of unpaid ministers.
 

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Assuming you mean ministers not ministries (a separate Department for Trams seems completely implausible, so I'm assuming that's a typo), it's worth noting that there are limits on the numbers of paid ministers the Government is allowed to have at once.* Currently the total maximum number is 109, but within this there are maximum numbers for Cabinet ministers, ministers of state, other ministers, whips etc. This is for a very good reason - it wouldn't be healthy for the governing party or coalition to have too many of its MPs as part of the 'payroll vote', limiting opportunities for internal dissent and scrutiny. In addition, it needs MPs to carry out various non-ministerial roles (parliamentary private secretaries, select committee members and chairs etc.), plus there will always be a number of MPs who either do not want to be a minister or who are thought to be unsuitable for one reason or another. All this means that the Government can't appoint as many ministers as it wants - if it wants more in one department, it has to reduce them in another.

The DfT currently has has six ministers. Active travel is currently one of Trudy Harrison's ten listed responsibilities, while buses and light rail are two of Baroness Vere's five listed responsibilities. Giving each of those three areas its own minister without changing anything else in the DfT would mean it'd have nine ministers, and there'd be three less ministers elsewhere in the Government.* This would give the DfT the most ministers of any department other than the Cabinet Office, alongside the Foreign Office and Home Office (and as both those departments have ministers whose role is partially in other departments, it would arguably make DfT the second overall). Realistically, that's completely unjustifiable - yes, transport is important; no, it's not that important.

Obviously, you can reprioritise things while keeping the same number of ministers by rearranging their responsibilities, but there may be other factors constraining this (e.g. the amount of legislation and other work expected for different policy areas). Ultimately, like a lot of Government, it's about making choices and picking priorities as you very rarely have the resources or ability to do absolutely everything you want. If you want to spend more time on one thing, chances are something else will have to give, either in that department or elsewhere.

*Though there is no limit on the number of unpaid ministers.

Brilliant answer, A* in your politics class.

One further thing to add. Ministers are there to set policy, take decisions, and ultimately provide accountability for the expenditure of taxpayers money. The railways take up a significant majority of the DfTs budget, and requires more policy and decisions, and it is therefore appropriate that there are more ministers in this area than others.
 

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Brilliant answer, A* in your politics class.

One further thing to add. Ministers are there to set policy, take decisions, and ultimately provide accountability for the expenditure of taxpayers money. The railways take up a significant majority of the DfTs budget, and requires more policy and decisions, and it is therefore appropriate that there are more ministers in this area than others.
Thanks, it's less a politics class and more my job! Your additional point is a useful addition - I don't work on transport policy so I'm not that familiar with the DfT set-up, but the principle is certainly true of the departments I do have to engage with.
 

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Brilliant answer, A* in your politics class.

One further thing to add. Ministers are there to set policy, take decisions, and ultimately provide accountability for the expenditure of taxpayers money. The railways take up a significant majority of the DfTs budget, and requires more policy and decisions, and it is therefore appropriate that there are more ministers in this area than others.

I would also image that there's not a huge amount of new policy which is needed for active travel (i.e. we want more of it) at national government level.

The way to get that it generally through better infrastructure which is either requires technical guidance or stuff to be built.

The technical guidance will be the remit of the body Activite Travel England, which was officially launched towards the end of last month, for details see link:


The actual building of better infrastructure is mostly down to National Highways (formally Highways England, formally Highways Agency), TfL or local councils.

Given that it's mostly going to be announce some funding, create press statement about who's getting it, distribute funding and then skip a lot of the turning up to have photos taken when it's delivered (as a cycle lane is seen as a local government thin), then there's not really enough work to keep someone overly busy. Especially when funding can be £2bn over 5 years.
 

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Further to the last few comments it is the 1975 Ministerial and Other Salaries Act that sets the number of Ministers aa 109 including the Prime Minister.
 

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Further to the last few comments it is the 1975 Ministerial and Other Salaries Act that sets the number of Ministers aa 109 including the Prime Minister.
I recall this being one of the objections to the plans to reduce the number of MPs. As it didn’t reduce the number of ministers, the Executive would grow as a proportion of Parliament.
 

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Further to the last few comments it is the 1975 Ministerial and Other Salaries Act that sets the number of Ministers aa 109 including the Prime Minister.
The DfT has updated its organisation chart (though it isn't specific about ministerial responsibilities).
It has also published an "organogram" with the salaries for its employees.
The highest is £115K, the Permanent Secretary is on £80K and Peter Wilkinson (MD of Passenger Services, ie the passenger railway) is on £75K.
Given the level of responsibilities, I thought these figures were quite modest, and they won't get paid for rest day working.
On another list, the boss of HS2 Ltd (Mark Thurston) is on £650K.


The DfT setup will change radically when GBR is up and running, with rail probably reducing to one minister and a few policy staff, with all the routine railway roles transferred to GBR - ie much as it was before Alistair Darling abolished the SRA.
The devolved administrations also have their own ministers and agencies, notably for Scotland and Wales, with budgets to match.
 

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It has also published an "organogram" with the salaries for its employees.
The highest is £115K, the Permanent Secretary is on £80K and Peter Wilkinson (MD of Passenger Services, ie the passenger railway) is on £75K.
Given the level of responsibilities, I thought these figures were quite modest, and they won't get paid for rest day working.

thone Salaries are wrong, they might be half year numbers or something.

the correct figures are in the annual report and accounts.
 

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Arguably 109 Ministers and 650 MPs is too many.

With current financial climate I'd argue for (in respect of the DfT) only Secretary of State for Transport remaining and accountable to the House of Commons and a Minister of State to be accountable to the House of Lords. The rest should be sent to the Backbenches to represent their constituents, and before anyone says there would be too much work for them to do perhaps (most) MPs should ditch their outside interests, sometimes referred to as second jobs first before complaining about their workload.

Again in the current climate do we need 650 MPs with their salaries? I'd say not. My MP is not interested (in my opinion) in representing my concerns and frankly more interested in his party and his ministerial job. Frankly the person, who is the subject of this thread, I don't think did a good job for the railway and spent more time tweeting bad jokes than getting on with his job.
 

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Wendy Morton sounds like someone who sung with Patrick Swayze on an 1980s ballad.

And Aldridge-Brownhills, particularly with 'plc' on the end, sounds like some sort of multinational banking conglomerate.

;)
 

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With current financial climate I'd argue for (in respect of the DfT) only Secretary of State for Transport remaining and accountable to the House of Commons and a Minister of State to be accountable to the House of Lords. The rest should be sent to the Backbenches to represent their constituents, and before anyone says there would be too much work for them to do perhaps (most) MPs should ditch their outside interests, sometimes referred to as second jobs first before complaining about their workload.

None of the current SoS or ministers at the DfT have second jobs. Having dealt with their predecessors personally they are very, very busy people with their Departmental work.
 

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None of the current SoS or ministers at the DfT have second jobs. Having dealt with their predecessors personally they are very, very busy people with their Departmental work.
Not even Grant Shapps or Michael Green?
 
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