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Rail UK gets a mention in the Daily Fail in an article about Transport Investigations Limited

Apologies for having to link to a Daily Fail article but the forim gets a mention in this article about the way Transport Investigations Limited deals with ticket irregularaties.

It details some cases where passengers have had difficulties getting TIL to understand that they haven`t done anything wrong - and gives the name of a firm of solicitors who have helped passengers get satisfactory results.

Looking at some of the threads in the Disputes & Prosecutions sub-forum , I can believe the customers !.
 
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EXCLUSIVEThe undercover rail 'inspectors' roaming Britain's railways: How train firms are cracking down on fare evaders with private security agency accused of using unfair and 'aggressive' tactics to threaten passengers with court action
By Mark Duell
07:03, 22 Jan 2024 , updated 07:50, 22 Jan 2024


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Chiltern Railways and Transport for Wales now franchise out prosecutions
Private security firm in Kent called Transport Investigations takes up cases
Rail passengers are being threatened with court action for having the wrong tickets by undercover inspectors from a third party company employed by train operators, MailOnline can reveal.

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Chiltern Railways and Transport for Wales are among those who now franchise out prosecutions to a private security company called Transport Investigations Ltd (TIL).





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But the Campaign for Better Transport (CfBT) said such 'deployment of undercover agency staff risks compromising the valuable bond of trust between staff and passengers', adding that ticket inspectors 'should have nothing to hide'.

While most train firms across Britain still have in-house prosecution departments, employees from the Ramsgate-based company have also previously worked on the Docklands Light Railway, Arriva CrossCountry and the now-defunct Virgin Trains.

Its workers often dress in tracksuits to look like ordinary people on board trains, so travellers do not realise who they are until they stand up and start asking for tickets.

However some passengers have told MailOnline the inspectors are unreasonable, aggressive and unfairly penalise them for not having the correct identification. They are also accused of sending aggressive and misspelt letters with threats of court action, and replying late at night to emails from people contesting the fines.

While TIL is not accused of doing anything illegal, their practices have come under the microscope at a time when passengers are bracing for a 4.9 per cent fare rise on National Rail regulated fares from this March amid further Aslef strikes on the way.

And a spokesman for the passenger watchdog London TravelWatch told MailOnline that it was important for rail operators to 'ensure that all ticket inspectors carry the necessary identification that authorises them to issue the appropriate action.'

A rail passenger took this picture of an undercover ticket inspector on the train earlier this month, saying on social media: 'Was a bunch of them looking super out of place and out of nowhere start checking tickets. Title was 'ticket fraud investigator'. Couldn¿t stop laughing'
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A rail passenger took this picture of an undercover ticket inspector on the train earlier this month, saying on social media: 'Was a bunch of them looking super out of place and out of nowhere start checking tickets. Title was 'ticket fraud investigator'. Couldn¿t stop laughing'
Most UK train firms still have in-house prosecution departments. Here, a member of a revenue protection team - not affiliated to TIL - checks tickets on a South Western Railway service
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Most UK train firms still have in-house prosecution departments. Here, a member of a revenue protection team - not affiliated to TIL - checks tickets on a South Western Railway service
Michael Solomon Williams, from the CfBT, said today: 'Ticket inspectors are needed to protect revenue but this deployment of undercover agency staff risks compromising the valuable bond of trust between staff and passengers.

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'With the railways currently in direct government control we are in the ludicrous situation where train operating companies have no incentive to ensure passengers aren't dodging fares.

'We need more ticket inspectors, but they should have nothing to hide.'

One passenger told MailOnline that they were aggressively threatened with a fine of £98.70 and then being taken to magistrates' court by TIL over alleged fare evasion on a Chiltern service in August 2021 when she in fact had a fully paid-for ticket.

She was asked to provide her £136.60 weekly ticket by an undercover investigator named only as 'T8248'.

The passenger showed this ticket, but had accidentally mislaid the accompanying photocard which is technically required to be carried with it– and the case was therefore passed onto the investigation team.

The accompanying photocard ID for a weekly ticket does not afford the carrier any discounted travel - it is simply proof that they are the person traveling.

The passenger later proved with alternative ID in the following weeks that she was the person who was travelling.

After MailOnline made representations to Chiltern on the passenger's behalf, the fine was cancelled.

Another passenger revealed on the popular RailUK forum how their ordeal began after they bought a flexible season ticket from LNER for £130 which allowed travel from one station to another via any route and operator.

Rail ticket inspectors work with British Transport Police officers in some areas of the network, including on Merseyrail (pictured). There is no suggestion that this rail operator works with TIL
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Rail ticket inspectors work with British Transport Police officers in some areas of the network, including on Merseyrail (pictured). There is no suggestion that this rail operator works with TIL
In July 2021, they were granted access at the station barriers but on board a CrossCountry train were told the card was invalid - and would either have to pay for a new ticket or be given a day access pass while their details were taken to investigate.
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The passenger agreed to the latter - and one month later received a letter from a TIL who asked for 'mitigation' of claim that they had travelled with an invalid ticket.

They replied with screenshots of their smartcard, photocard and an image from the ticket manager app showing they had an activated flexi season ticket.

But three weeks later they heard from a 'company prosecutor' who said this was inadequate and they would taken the case to court – with a possible sentence of a fine of up to £1,000 or up to three months in prison.

They said the emails were intimating and invoked anxiety, adding that they all were all sent either late at night or on weekends and the tone was 'unprofessional, emotionally manipulative and intimidating'.


A back-and-forth followed with TIL before they finally got another email stating the case was closed because it was a technical error.

Solicitors firm Gray Hooper Holt, based in Haywards Heath, West Sussex, is among the companies that has taken on cases for passengers contesting fines from TIL.

In one case, it said a young man was reported by Chiltern staff for consideration for prosecution after he was found with 'short tickets' – when you pay for a shorter journey than you have done - at London Marylebone station.

He then received a pre-court action letter from TIL, but asked the legal firm for help. They wrote to the company and the case was closed within a week.

Chiltern Railways is among the rail operators in the UK using a third party firm for fare evasion
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Chiltern Railways is among the rail operators in the UK using a third party firm for fare evasion
In a second case, a teacher travelling on Chiltern Railways was summonsed to attend court for fare evasion by TIL, having made many attempts over months to get an 'administrative disposal' which involves paying a fine.

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But TIL rebuffed the woman and carried on with its prosecution plans, which she believed could result in her losing her job.

Her first court hearing was due in less than a week when she contacted Gray Hooper Holt, which then filed a not guilty plea and convinced TIL to halt the prosecution and come to an out-of-court settlement.

A third case saw a financial advisor in a hurry to keep an appointment in London, who boarded a CrossCountry service with a ticket covering the first part of his journey.

He intended to buy the second part while on board the train, but a revenue officer claimed he was trying to avoid paying his fare - and he was reported to TIL.

The man tried to convince TIL to accept that his intentions were honest, but TIL said it was his responsibility to ensure that he had a valid ticket for his entire journey before boarding the train under the Regulation of Railways Act 1889.



The man then instructed Gray Hooper Holt and it came to an informal agreement with TIL before a criminal court summons had been raised - which could have then been revealed by an enhanced Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) check.

TIL describes itself as the 'leading provider of revenue protection teams, supported by a self-funding private prosecution service'.

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Transport for Wales (TfW) also employs ticket inspectors from Transport Investigations Ltd
The firm says rail operators can reduce fare evasion and generate revenue by 'utilising this cost-effective integrated service, supplied by the experts in the field'.

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It adds that its 'emphasis is on educating and changing passenger behaviour, ensuring an appropriate balance is struck between enforcement and fairness'.

The company also notes the negative PR associated with ticket inspectors, saying that utilising a third party can enable a train operator to 'keep a positive emphasis on its brand'.

It supplies workers as an 'extra resource or on a managed service contract', which it says enables clients to 'target fare evasion when and how they wish, without year-round overheads'.

The firm also has a 'specialised fare recovery and prosecutions department' to process unpaid fare notices and fare evasion reports, as well as carrying out private prosecutions – which it again says 'can allow this activity to be separated from the client's brand'.

It adds: 'Utilising our gateline staffing teams can lead to a marked improvement in both customer service and fare collection. Our model enables us to provide fresh and proactive staff in a role where in-house staff sometimes feel de-motivated and helpless.'

Its managing director is Richard Malins, who celebrates his 79th birthday this month and has nearly 50 years of railway experience, 30 of which were with British Rail.

Mr Malins joined British Rail as a graduate trainee in York in 1966, before working in management in Broxbourne, West Wales, Exeter, Nottingham and London.

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He then went into consultancy and worked for London Transport, now Transport for London (TfL), before establishing TIL in November 1996.

Chiltern Railways is understood to operate an in-house 'revenue protection' team, but TIL assists it on investigation, settlements and prosecution should cases reach that point.


A spokesman for Chiltern Railways told MailOnline: 'Transport Investigations Ltd conduct investigations on behalf of Chiltern Railways following reports of ticketless travel.

'We know that the vast majority of our customers pay the correct fare, but the actions of a small minority means that there's less money available for investment to improve the railway for everyone.

'We will take action against people who travel without a ticket and not hesitate in moving towards prosecution if necessary. On occasion, during investigations, mitigations and further evidence are presented.

'These are considered with due care on a case-by-case basis. Many train operators, including Chiltern, still receive subsidies from the taxpayer via government.

'We have a responsibility to make sure that everyone pays for the service they use, as money currently lost from the system can be used to help fund improvements for our current and future customers.'

A spokeswoman for CrossCountry told MailOnline that its revenue protection team had confirmed they do not currently use TIL 'in any aspect of our revenue protection activities on the CrossCountry network'.

Transport for London (TfL) also confirmed to MailOnline that there are no TIL workers across its network.

In addition, MailOnline has contacted Transport for Wales, the Rail Delivery Group and TIL for comment.
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Good to see TIL in the spotlight; some of their behaviour is absolutely scandalous.

I wouldn't mind a chat with Richard Malins; I'd be asking him some rather tough questions, so I don't think he'd be up for it.

As for Chiltern, a company who have gone massively downhill lately, anyone who uses the term "the correct fare" is exposing themselves as unknowledgeable, and is indicative of the problems that can be experienced when using valid fares.
 

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I don't really have any knowledge of TIL other than what I read on these forums, but often here we see that they nearly always rebuff everyone's first reply, even if it's quite obvious that the passenger has either done nothing wrong or offers an out of court settlement, the cynic in me would think that they charge the TOC for each letter sent out making it in their interest to drag out any interaction.... Thankfully I'm not a cynic....
 

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I don't really have any knowledge of TIL other than what I read on these forums, but often here we see that they nearly always rebuff everyone's first reply, even if it's quite obvious that the passenger has either done nothing wrong or offers an out of court settlement, the cynic in me would think that they charge the TOC for each letter sent out making it in their interest to drag out any interaction.... Thankfully I'm not a cynic....

It's a shame you're not a cynic as otherwise you could have solved a perennial mystery. As it is, we are non the wiser.
 

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The rpi's usually have some private security contractors with them on gwr
Do they? I’ve never seen them. Reading did have security staff at the station who would remove unruly passengers if requested and no BTP were available but they were nothing to do with the RPIs that I’m aware of.
 

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Do they? I’ve never seen them. Reading did have security staff at the station who would remove unruly passengers if requested and no BTP were available but they were nothing to do with the RPIs that I’m aware of.

If there are a group of rpi's on a train there will be a couple of security guards from g4s also on the train
 

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Do they? I’ve never seen them. Reading did have security staff at the station who would remove unruly passengers if requested and no BTP were available but they were nothing to do with the RPIs that I’m aware of.
.... The British Transport Police and Revenue Protection Inspectors are completely independent authorities of each other. RPI staff might call in the help of the BTP only if an incident arises and there are no other security staff at hand.

'Revenue Protection' is a very poor choice of title in that it immediately promotes an aggressive public image - It's bad PR for the railway company, in this case SWR.
 

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Amazing what passes as journalism these days. Reading this forum, TiL's website and Malins' LinkedIn entry and bingo, an article
 

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Security contractors occasionally work with us in the Thames Valley, but not all the time, it generally depends on the time and location as to whether they are needed or not.
 

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Perhaps @RPI could clarify this.
Yes I believe there are some in the Thames Valley area, I'll be honest I don't really know what the working arrangements are and it's definitely not something we have in the Central or West area.
 

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Why do the words 'Post Office', 'scandal' and 'private prosecutions' come to my mind? Such prosecutions by TOCs/TfL may not have the far-reaching consequences of the appalling miscarriages of justice suffered by the sub-postmasters/mistresses but, in total, will greatly outnumber them and are still carrying on. There are indications that the government might take action to withdraw the power of many bodies (including the BBC) to initiate prosecutions, and not a day too soon imo. There should be one railway industry body which deals with all matters to do with fare evasion/disputes and which, if a final decision to prosecute is sought, then has to liaise with the CPS. Possibly TfL might have to be excluded from this body, but would still have to get CPS permission. The expectation would be that many such prosecutions wouldn't go ahead and that TfL as an organisation would be expected to change its ways/culture from the top in the department concerned, if necessary with political pressure.
 

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Slightly off topic - but SWR have currently set all their entry gates to block any tickets bought with a Senior Railcard (and possibly other railcards too). You have to find gateline staff and show your railcard before they will let you in. This is fun at Waterloo !!! I asked one staff member the reason, expecting to hear 'revenue protection' but was told it was 'a survey'. ???
 

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Slightly off topic - but SWR have currently set all their entry gates to block any tickets bought with a Senior Railcard (and possibly other railcards too). You have to find gateline staff and show your railcard before they will let you in. This is fun at Waterloo !!! I asked one staff member the reason, expecting to hear 'revenue protection' but was told it was 'a survey'. ???
They have been doing this for a while, on and off, and not on all gates. Have you an official statement that this is a definite policy or just rumour?
 

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Apologies for having to link to a Daily Fail article but the forim gets a mention in this article about the way Transport Investigations Limited deals with ticket irregularaties.
Good on the Daily Mail for covering it. We would have a long wait for a paper such as The Mirror to cover it.
 

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How do TLI personnel identify themselves?
I would be very wary of giving my details to anyone who was not obviously a railway employee or BTP if challenged. What's to stop any random person deciding to "check" everyone's tickets, and then demanding money on some pretext?
 

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They have been doing this for a while, on and off, and not on all gates. Have you an official statement that this is a definite policy or just rumour?
It can't be all railcards or all stations, at least, as my sister had no problems with her 26-30 railcard discounted tickets yesterday at Southampton.
 

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Amazing what passes as journalism these days. Reading this forum, TiL's website and Malins' LinkedIn entry and bingo, an article
More research than most journalism these days, which seems to amount to not much more than a straight copy and paste from Facebook, or certainly is up here since Retch, sorry, Reach Media took over!
 

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Rail UK gets a mention in the Daily Fail in an article about Transport Investigations Limited

Apologies for having to link to a Daily Fail article but the forim gets a mention in this article about the way Transport Investigations Limited deals with ticket irregularaties.

It details some cases where passengers have had difficulties getting TIL to understand that they haven`t done anything wrong - and gives the name of a firm of solicitors who have helped passengers get satisfactory results.

Looking at some of the threads in the Disputes & Prosecutions sub-forum , I can believe the customers !.
It is clear from those threads that while Revenue Protection is often about detecting outright and unequivocally criminal behaviour, there is widespread abuse of the Prosecutions regime across several TOCs arising from private prosecutions and the lack of any public interest test.

One case was a railcard one day of date, which was progressed towards prosecution, safe in the knowledge that thanks to strict liability, a magnanimous offer of four to five times a penalty fare dressed up as a 'settlement', will be paid in the vast majority of cases to avoid a criminal record.
 

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It can't be all railcards or all stations, at least, as my sister had no problems with her 26-30 railcard discounted tickets yesterday at Southampton.
I think the gateline staff I spoke to said the gates were set up specifically to check Senior railcards but I'm not 100% sure.

In reply to the query re was it an official statement or just rumour - the gateline staff implied official policy but again not 100% sure.

I'm travelling from Winchester station later this week and intend to allow time to ask a few more questions and listen more carefully to the answers. I'll report back if anything useful emerges.
 
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