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With the demise of the British steel industry since the early 90's, does the UK still produce steel rails for railway track? If not, where does it now come from? And what (if anything) happens to the piles of disused rails that are scattered just about everywhere on our rail network?
 
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With the demise of the British steel industry since the early 90's, does the UK still produce steel rails for railway track? If not, where does it now come from? And what (if anything) happens to the piles of disused rails that are scattered just about everywhere on our rail network?
Scunthorpe used to supply about 95% of Network Rail's needs. Not sure if it still does though.
 

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And what (if anything) happens to the piles of disused rails that are scattered just about everywhere on our rail network?
It's supposed to go to various recycling centres (Westbury and March are two) to determine what can be reused and where (e.g. OK for sidings only). Unusable stuff is sold on.
 

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Don't know about new standard flat bottom rail, but transition rails installed at Okehampton last year which are 95lb/yd bullhead at one end transitioning to flat bottom at the other, were made by the Austrian rail manufacturer, Voestalpine.
 

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Found this statement from Network Rail, dated 2020. Not sure of the current position. Source: Network Rail

Statement from Network Rail on the sale of British Steel​

March 9, 2020

Andrew Haines, Network Rail chief executive, said: “We are delighted with today's news that the sale of British Steel to Jingye has completed, securing the future of the business. We have given extensive support to British Steel and the official receiver throughout this process and we look forward to continuing this relationship with the new orner. British Steel is a major supplier to Network Rail and plays a vital role in our work to safely run the railway for the millions of people who rely on it every day.”
 

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The standard rails are 56 kg/m which is normally produced at British Steel's Scunthorpe Rail and Section mill. Not to say that Network rail can't or won't purchase from else where. Saarstahl Hayange (France), Arcelor Mittal Gijon (Spain), Arcelor Mittal Poland and Voestalpine (Austria) are all viable suppliers close by.

The SRSM was purposed designed to meet Network rails needs, the rail mill at Workington was closed after SRSM was commissioned because it was limited to 40 m lengths which no longer met the needs of the railway.
 

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With the demise of the British steel industry since the early 90's, does the UK still produce steel rails for railway track? If not, where does it now come from? And what (if anything) happens to the piles of disused rails that are scattered just about everywhere on our rail network?

Some of those piles of rail aren't actually disused. I used to think that but you will often see a load of rail dumped beside the track or in the 4ft just before engineering works. They even look brown and crusty too.
 

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Some of those piles of rail aren't actually disused. I used to think that but you will often see a load of rail dumped beside the track or in the 4ft just before engineering works. They even look brown and crusty too.
Yes, but there are numerous disused sidings and routes which have been singled where old track is still in situ half buried beneath grass and shrubbery. All that should have been lifted decades ago when wages were low.
 

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Lanark Station Platform 2 has just been relaid with brand new Bullhead. The new standard for main lines though is UIC60 which is displacing the homegrown 113A flatbottom. UIC60 is an international profile, though whether this rail is imported or made at home I don't know.
 

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Yes, but there are numerous disused sidings and routes which have been singled where old track is still in situ half buried beneath grass and shrubbery. All that should have been lifted decades ago when wages were low.
How do you know wages aren't low now, in comparison to the future? Wages have nothing to do with it. Having a 24 hour railways does.
 

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Lanark Station Platform 2 has just been relaid with brand new Bullhead. The new standard for main lines though is UIC60 which is displacing the homegrown 113A flatbottom. UIC60 is an international profile, though whether this rail is imported or made at home I don't know.
The 113A is a British Standard 56 kg/m rail, the UIC60 is an EN standard 60 kg/m rail which is the widely used standard for high speed rail (over 200 kph). Both can be rolled at Scunthorpe. How much is produced there and how much imported I don't know at present.

Nowhere else in the UK produces either 56 or 60 Kg rails.
 

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When they needed new bullhead rail for replacement of some track beyond Inverness they imported it from Austria. Came by sea.
 

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When they needed new bullhead rail for replacement of some track beyond Inverness they imported it from Austria. Came by sea.
British Steel roll Bullhead for heritage railways in the UK so perhaps for that contract they just were not competitive. The Austrian mill at Donawitz is reputed to be one of the most efficient in the world.
 

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I take it we can still cast chairs? I don't think I've seen new chairs installed even when new rail's going in.
 

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I take it we can still cast chairs? I don't think I've seen new chairs installed even when new rail's going in.
That is simple job for any cast iron foundry, the capability is still there (although very much reduced in capacity from the past), I've no idea if the demand is though.
 

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Some of those piles of rail aren't actually disused. I used to think that but you will often see a load of rail dumped beside the track or in the 4ft just before engineering works. They even look brown and crusty too.
No, some aren't but there is a scandalous amount of scrap rail (and other stuff) abandoned along the railway.
 

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No, some aren't but there is a scandalous amount of scrap rail (and other stuff) abandoned along the railway.

A good amount of what looks like abandoned rail is actually strategically placed so that in the case of a broken rail, or otherwise damaged rail that needs replacement, there's something reasonably close to almost any location to speed up works, rather than having to locate the correct rail for the location, and find it's miles away. It does often look messy and abandoned, but I fear any efforts to tidy it up might just draw unwanted attention to it.
 

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As regards trackand its variants: what is still extant on the network? 95lb Bullhead, 98 lb Flat Bottom, 109, 110, 113, UIC60... And when I were a lad there was lighter FB rail still in use in ex-military lines used by BR.
 

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A good amount of what looks like abandoned rail is actually strategically placed so that in the case of a broken rail, or otherwise damaged rail that needs replacement, there's something reasonably close to almost any location to speed up works, rather than having to locate the correct rail for the location, and find it's miles away. It does often look messy and abandoned, but I fear any efforts to tidy it up might just draw unwanted attention to it.
Absolutely, but it's pretty easy to tell the difference and there is a hell of a lot of unrecovered scrap (again, not just rails). I also don't see how removing it would "draw unwanted attention" to it?
 

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Lanark Station Platform 2 has just been relaid with brand new Bullhead. The new standard for main lines though is UIC60 which is displacing the homegrown 113A flatbottom. UIC60 is an international profile, though whether this rail is imported or made at home I don't know.
Still bullhead? I recall attending a site meeting because we couldn’t install an electronic treadle for Cleghorn barriers: it was agreed to put a length of flat bottom in. The meeting was in 1990…..
 

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The new bullhead replaced some 40 foot and shorter lengths. I think the joints were staggered too (ie different lengths on each rail). I wouldn't be surprised if they keep some Fish-Bellied in reserve in the station stores. Cleghorn Crossing is all UIC 60 now though.

ps I think bullhead looks just perfect in a country terminus: UIC 60 track looks very sterile.
 

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The new bullhead replaced some 40 foot and shorter lengths. I think the joints were staggered too (ie different lengths on each rail). I wouldn't be surprised if they keep some Fish-Bellied in reserve in the station stores. Cleghorn Crossing is all UIC 60 now though.

ps I think bullhead looks just perfect in a country terminus: UIC 60 track looks very sterile.
Treadle in question was on the Lanark Branch. In any event, it’s been an MCB of some sort for a while now.
 

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Lanark Station Platform 2 has just been relaid with brand new Bullhead. The new standard for main lines though is UIC60 which is displacing the homegrown 113A flatbottom. UIC60 is an international profile, though whether this rail is imported or made at home I don't know.
A few months back the bay at Kingston had several lengths of bullhead track replaced. The new lengths of bullhead were lying in the four-foot for a few weeks before the relaying, but I couldn't see the web so I couldn't determine where and when they were rolled. The old lengths were left in the four-foot, I don't if they're still there. What was interesting were the dents in the foot of the rail caused by the rail being pushed down into the chair. The bay doesn't get much use, so I expect that it wasn't considered necessary to relay it when the Kingston loop went over to flat-bottom track many years back. When I last looked a few years back, the curve from Fulwell to Strawberry Hill still had bullhead track; this curve gets only two or three services a day each way and perhaps some ECS workings.
 

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How does the transition from modern CWR* to jointed bullhead work? Special fishplates?

* Continuous Welded Rail.
 

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A few months back the bay at Kingston had several lengths of bullhead track replaced. The new lengths of bullhead were lying in the four-foot for a few weeks before the relaying, but I couldn't see the web so I couldn't determine where and when they were rolled. The old lengths were left in the four-foot, I don't if they're still there. What was interesting were the dents in the foot of the rail caused by the rail being pushed down into the chair. The bay doesn't get much use, so I expect that it wasn't considered necessary to relay it when the Kingston loop went over to flat-bottom track many years back. When I last looked a few years back, the curve from Fulwell to Strawberry Hill still had bullhead track; this curve gets only two or three services a day each way and perhaps some ECS workings.
Sharp curves (I don't know if that applies to the Fulwell one) tend to be Bullhead as it's more flexible laterally and bends without going all threepenny bit at the joints. There are some examples at the Mossend junctions near Motherwell which see very heavy day to day use. As I understand it the first 'Double Head Rail' (from which Bullhead is descended) was intended to be turned over after the upper head became worn, but the indentations on the underneath head made this impractical. Interestingly, I had a few very short pieces of 98lb Flat Bottom which I used to use as anvils and the hammer left dents in the head very easily.
 

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How does the transition from modern CWR* to jointed bullhead work? Special fishplates?

* Continuous Welded Rail.
Yes. The CWR would first end with breather switches into jointed track. Then junction fishplates are available to join dissimilar track types together. Even brand new and part worn rails of the same type need junction plates to join newly relaid and older existing lengths together.
 

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Or weld the joint after the breathers FB to BH. Saves unusual fishplates.
i thought doing that would put too much stress on the jointed track on wood sleepers. thats why a breather is necessary.
 

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How do you know wages aren't low now, in comparison to the future? Wages have nothing to do with it. Having a 24 hour railways does.
Wages, at whatever level, have very much to do with the cost effectiveness of lifting redundant track. Decades ago, before our economy was de-industrialised, there was a strong market for scrap metal. With wages being low, there was a chance then of recouping enough from sales of scrap metal to finance the cost of lifting the surplus track.

Many disused sidings are a safe distance away from a 24 hour railway. The Wycombe lines between Greenford and South Ruislip, one of which is half buried, are not by any stretch of the imagination a 24 hour railway.

Quite obviously, with inflation being what it is, wages in future will be higher than they are today, although they may not buy as much.
 
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