Rang de Fliers TGV?

reuban

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Any ideas why Rang de Fliers sees a TGV albeit "TERGV" service? It's the start/end station and is a very small town. The train also stops at minor stop Etaples Le Touquet before continuing along the classic lines to Bologne & Calais Frethun, LGV Nord to Lille Europe, and Paris GDN.
There is an Intercites train available to GDN which takes a similar time and stops at Large City Amiens, as well as Intercites and TER trains to Calais & Bologne

Ive included a map
Grey shows the TGV Line
Green is Intercites


Seems like a strange and random route, considering the TGV runs at classic line speeds to Calais, and you have to go back on yourself considerably
 

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I think it was part of a policy by the Nord-Pas-de-Calais region to promote local integration/improve links to local towns, etc. There was also probably an element of “Why can’t we have a TGV too?” by local politicians. Rang-du-Fliers is the last town before the border and I think that the service is subsidised by the region, so it serves its towns, but goes no further.
 

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Any ideas why Rang de Fliers sees a TGV albeit "TERGV" service? It's the start/end station and is a very small town. The train also stops at minor stop Etaples Le Touquet before continuing along the classic lines to Bologne & Calais Frethun, LGV Nord to Lille Europe, and Paris GDN.
There is an Intercites train available to GDN which takes a similar time and stops at Large City Amiens, as well as Intercites and TER trains to Calais & Bologne

Ive included a map
Grey shows the TGV Line
Green is Intercites


Seems like a strange and random route, considering the TGV runs at classic line speeds to Calais, and you have to go back on yourself considerably
Welcome!

1. Boulogne is the primary destination, and as Gloster says it's partly political/PR. The extension to Etaples and RdF (which serve a well-developed stretch of coastline) is in marginal time. I notice that TGVs to Calais-Ville have pretty much disappeared.
2. The LGV provides a fast link to Lille which is regionally very important - and I wouldn't mind betting there's a significant commuter traffic from the coast which the TERGV taps. (BTW Amiens is in Picardie, and much less significant, though the two Regions have now been merged.)
3. Until very recently, the historic route via Amiens was one of SNCF's "poor relations" - Corail stock, diesel north of Amiens - and was neither fast nor frequent for Paris. That has now changed, but will have been a factor in introducing and expanding the TGV.

I suspect that, if SNCF were starting from scratch, Lille-Boulogne (and -Dunkerque) via the LGV would be operated with the equivalent of our class 395 Javelins - and Paris would be entirely via Amiens. But imagine the outcry if Boulogne were to lose its TGV...
 

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i believe Rang de Fliers is the terminus is because that's where the electrification from Calais ends
if Rang de Fliers to Amines was Electrified I could for sure see it made a circular service like the strawberry hill services run by SWR here
 

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i believe Rang de Fliers is the terminus is because that's where the electrification from Calais ends
if Rang de Fliers to Amines was Electrified I could for sure see it made a circular service like the strawberry hill services run by SWR here

Yes, the electrification ends at Rang du Filiers.
 

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I think Rang-du-Fliers is the end of the electrification because it was the last station in the Nord-Pas-du-Calais, which was prepared to support the electrification. Beyond was Picardie, which wasn’t. I think that traffic beyond, at least as far as Abbeville, is fairly sparse.
 

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Cheers for the replies, does anyone know what locomotive runs on the Paris-Amiens-Etaples-Bologne Intercites services? Does an Electric take it to Amiens and then a diesel the rest of the way?
 

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Cheers for the replies, does anyone know what locomotive runs on the Paris-Amiens-Etaples-Bologne Intercites services? Does an Electric take it to Amiens and then a diesel the rest of the way?

That's how it used to be until quite recently but now bi-mode multiple units have taken over.
 

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