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Residents Complain About Invasion Of Privacy By Double Deck Bus Service

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...reet-complain-deck-bus-passengers-houses.html

Gemma Mullin for MailOnline said:
  • Homeowners claim new double-decker bus service is infringing privacy
  • The number 32 was introduced for high demand of students in peak times
  • But residents fear potential burglars could use bus to scout out properties
  • Parish council complained to travel company First Group on their behalf
  • But bus firm defended its decision, saying bus is needed due to demand

Residents on an affluent street have complained to council bosses because top-deck bus passengers can see in their houses.

Homeowners in Worcester, West Midlands, claim their privacy and security has been put at risk since transport company First Group began operating a double-decker bus service.

The number 32 route was introduced a few weeks ago to accommodate a large group of students at a nearby college during peak times.

Homeowners on a street in Worcester say their privacy and security is at risk due to people on double-decker buses, which stop outside their rear gardens. Until a few weeks ago it had been single-deck buses only

But residents on the street, where an average house costs £300,000, fear that potential burglars could use the top-deck to scout out vulnerable properties and have written to the parish council.

Resident David North, 74, said: 'We are particularly vulnerable at our location as the bus stop is located directly behind our rear fence, we feel the bus is almost in our garden.

We have lived here for 12 years and we understood that only single-decker buses were allowed on this route due to the fact that most of the houses have rear gardens that back onto [the main road] and therefore are overlooked from the top deck. 'My neighbours and I believe this is an intrusion into our privacy.

'Single-decker buses, however, are not visible above our fence and this is what we have always expected and wish to return to.'

A view from the window of one of the properties on Falcon Close, where neighbours have complained about the number 32 bus route, introduced to carry a large population of students from a nearby college

A single decker bus stopped in the bus stop clearly shows that commuters cannot see over the fence when on the smaller buses. However, First Group which operates the service says it's needed due to high demand

Another resident, who did not want to be named, added: 'When the summer comes I don't want students rubber-necking at me as I get dressed in my bedroom or stare at me while I'm sunbathing in my garden.

'It's human instinct to look out of the window of bus but I hate the idea of being like an animal in the zoo for the entertainment of a bored passenger.

Councillor Brenda Wheeler, 65, who also lives on the road, said the buses would 'discourage people from making use of their own gardens'

'When you spend several hundred thousands of pounds on a house you expect a certain amount of privacy for your money. I feel this double-decker bus is breaching my human rights.'...
If there was only a single deck service, they would presumably complain about overcrowding. Or maybe they would say "..s*d you I've got a car.."
 
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Are double deckers just being used at peak (student) times, or all day? If the former, I don't think the residents should be listened to too much.
 

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I don't think they should be listened to at all. It's a public road and the bus company can run double deckers wherever it is safe to do so.
 

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If there was only a single deck service, they would presumably complain about overcrowding.
Are you serious?!;):lol:
Or maybe they would say "..s*d you I've got a car.."
Now that's more like it! There's no "maybe" about it; these rich people own cars and you'd not see many of them on a bus!

They would absolutely support overcrowding if that's what it takes to satisfy their demands. People like David North and Brenda Wheeler appear to be acting in a selfish and pompous manner.

Perhaps we should arrange a forum trip? <D
 

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Complaints like this are certainly not unheard of in the London area, a lot of it is just 'nimbyism' but we live in a democracy so such complaints cannot just be dismissed out of hand.
 

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I know of one person in a bungalow who complained about buses stopping outside his bungalow on a Hale & Ride section of a local bus route. He never uses the bus. However, a person with limited mobility moved in to the bungalow next door and finds it very convenient to be able to hale down a bus outside his front door.
 

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seems to me a case of paranoia regarding burglars. Has there actually been any incidents or has any resident actually been a victim of burglary? I doubt it

'When you spend several hundred thousands of pounds on a house you expect a certain amount of privacy for your money. I feel this double-decker bus is breaching my human rights.'...

Pompous ------ reminds me of the woman who buys a weekend retreat next to the local Chinese takeaway and then starts complaining about it

I wonder how many buses actually stop and how long for
 
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Bus stops have been moved due to complaints before.
One I know has moved 20 yards down the road, right on a junction with no pavement that everyone parks next to, meaning the bus has to stop not only on the junction but on the wrong side of the road too.

seems to me a case of paranoia regarding burglars. Has there actually been any incidents or has any resident actually been a victim of burglary? I doubt it

Same complaint against Streetview.
 
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Maybe the bus company can tell the councillors where to get off... the buses...
 
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The bus route concerned is First Worcester service 32

http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/route_maps/downloads/1412757106_14_951_32.32A Worcester Map.pdf is the route map, and the affected streets are near the Southern end of the route as it goes along St Peters Road

Looking at the Monday - Friday timetable, there are 3 buses per hour during the day, up to 6:30pm, with a similar service on Saturdays, and an hourly Sunday service between 10am and 5pm.

Of course when the NIMBYS come to sell their houses, "good public transport links" become a selling point, don't they?
 
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Top deck passengers being able to look over high fences is a common complaint although her madge seems to have no problem about them looking into the grounds of Buck House!!
 

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The bus route concerned is First Worcester service 32

http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/route_maps/downloads/1412757106_14_951_32.32A Worcester Map.pdf is the route map, and the affected streets are near the Southern end of the route as it goes along St Peters Road

Looking at the Monday - Friday timetable, there are 3 buses per hour during the day, up to 6:30pm, with a similar service on Saturdays, and an hourly Sunday service between 10am and 5pm.

Of course when the NIMBYS come to sell their houses, "good public transport links" become a selling point, don't they?

Looks a perfectly normal estate distributor road made to take heavier traffic. There's at least one in every large estate built since about 1980.

Maybe David North and Brenda Wheeler both do embarassing things in their gardens. If so, their immediate neighbours might be grateful if they now stop it. :)
 

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The nearest I can think of a bus comes to a bedroom window is the 272 Sheffield-Castleton when it runs through Bradwell along Brookside. Can't be more than six feet away. Residents usually have net curtains.
 

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Top deck passengers being able to look over high fences is a common complaint although her madge seems to have no problem about them looking into the grounds of Buck House!!

Unless things have changed dramatically over forty years, which I doubt, there isn't much you can see. When London Transport's bus operating division moved from 55 Broadway to Grosvenor Place in the early 1970s (right by the northbound bus stop just before Hyde Park Corner) we had an uninterrupted view of some boring looking shrubs, a bit of lawn and a small tennis court, slightly unkempt and with sagging nets.Not once in the two years I spent there did I see anyone in the gardens: the only excitement came one afternoon when some nutter brought along a ladder and tried to scale the wall. This was in an age not only before CCTV but before the IRA had launched any attacks on the British mainland. I believe the first policeman on the scene was one (unarmed) standing outside one of the neighbouring embassies, quickly joined by a few others and the miscreant was wisked away before he got over the wall.
 

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Are these residents doing an early April Fools? :p

If it's a case of the buses going past the windows, and they would feel people could look into their homes, fair enough, but I can't see the problem, easy solution would be to maybe shut the curtains?
 

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I live on a bus route in Cornwall. Last September they stopped using Darts, and started using Enviro 400 double deckers. My bedroom window is closer to the road than these houses.
I hadn't even thought of this. I do have net curtains though.
Maybe I should complain to First Group.... No I will just make the most of having a seat on the bus.
Its on a public road, who are they to tell anyone they cant drive any vehicle they like over a public road. Unless the road has height, weight or width restrictions.
 

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We have lived here for 12 years and we understood that only single-decker buses were allowed on this route due to the fact that most of the houses have rear gardens that back onto [the main road] and therefore are overlooked from the top deck. My neighbours and I believe this is an intrusion into our privacy.

I think "we understood" translates as 'actually we realise that our assertion doesn't really stand up to scrutiny'!

It's pretty silly to think that a double deck bus cannot operate a route which at some point passes houses that have rear gardens that back onto the road. Does he really think that staff in First Group's planning department will read this article and shout 'oh my God we've made an unforgivable error and broken the nationwide Traffic Regulation Order prohibiting double deckers from passing people's gardens'? :roll:
 

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The nearest I can think of a bus comes to a bedroom window is the 272 Sheffield-Castleton when it runs through Bradwell along Brookside. Can't be more than six feet away. Residents usually have net curtains.

TfL Route 81 (Hounslow to Slough) has deckers pass just inches away from some upstairs windows in the village of Colnbrook.
 

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I'd like an explanation as to how the saftey of children and animals is at risk regarding double deck buses operating on the public highway
 

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I had the same issue over 30 years ago when I lived in Balerno, on the South Western outskirts of Edinburgh.

It was proposed to introduce a bus service every 30 minutes to one side of the estate that didn't have one.

Objections were raised saying that the buses were a danger to children (so what about the cars on that road then?)

However these same objectors said that they supported an increase in the frequency of the bus service on the other side of the estate from every 20 minutes to every 15 minutes.

Talk about being a two face hypocrite. It is OK for more of these "dangerous" buses to run past someone else's house, but Not In My Back Yard.

Fortunately the traffic commissioner saw sense and allowed the service to start running
 

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I would like to raise a complaint about people in back gardens being able to see me as I travel on by bus. I feel that their houses should be compulsorily purchased and demolished to allow me privacy while in transit
 

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I would like to raise a complaint about people in back gardens being able to see me as I travel on by bus. I feel that their houses should be compulsorily purchased and demolished to allow me privacy while in transit

A man after my own heart.:)
 

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Nimbyism and buses are a bad mix. A Blue Bus once crashed in to my front garden due to slipping on black ice, the council had failed to grit the previous night. When my neighbour was trying to sell their house they asked for the estate's only grit box to be removed from outside their house. The council did so just that.
 

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Some Dipstick said:
Another idiot, who did not want to be named, added: 'When the summer comes I don't want students rubber-necking at me as I get dressed in my bedroom or stare at me while I'm sunbathing in my garden."

Suggestion 1: This idiot should close the curtains
Suggestion 2: The bus passengers should report him to the police for indecent exposure. It's enough to put one off one's breakfast.
 

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Once the students hear about this, I rather expect the Streisand effect will come into play and we'll see loads of people waving and taking photos to put on social media.
 

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Bloody muppests at St Peters acting up again.

There is usually at least 1 diagram on service 32 Ombersley Rd- Worcester City Centre - St Peters booked to be worked by a decker in between doing a school service to Blessed St Edwards.

I used to drive that route on a regular basis before I moved back to South Wales a few weeks ago and there is a good bit of distance between the houses and the roads.

The area is also service by Astons coaches running to Pershore and First's 362/364 Worcester - Upton Upon Severn - Great Malvern which is basically one the 3 short workings which has been extended which is why it is given a different route number
 

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I can see into someone's garden who lives on that street because there are pictures of it on the Daily Mail website :rolleyes:
 
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