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Oscar46016

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Is there such a thing as an "open" return anymore?

My daughter has to go up to London - she knows what train she's going up on, but not the return - can she get an open return and just turn up?

Or is that not a thing anymore?
 
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Skymonster

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For most flows there are anytime returns, off peak returns (somewhat cheaper but time-band restricted) and maybe even super offpeak return (cheaper yet and even more time restricted). Then there are Advances that are only one way and are [mostly] valid on only one specific train. Those returns mentioned are typically valid any train subject to the time-band restrictions and route - and sometimes train company. Bare in mind off-peak does not have a blanket start / end time across the network. To be certain you need to note the type of ticket, the conditions, etc but yes the concept of an open return certainly still exists, albeit that the railway doesn’t tend to call it that anymore. Beware of some returns sold by Trainline that appear to open returns - some are actually tied to specific trains when you read the detail. Some booking sites also insist you specify out and back train times before giving a price, even though the ticket is actually valid on many trains which can be another point of confusion for those not familiar with how things work these days. Simple eh? No, maybe not. If all this makes you confused or concerns, ticket offices at stations will also invariably sell open returns over the counter.
 

bcarmicle

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If you let us know where your daughter’s origin and destination stations are, the forum can advise as to what the specific options for that journey are.
 

Haywain

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Also, is the return trip going to be on the same day as the outward journey or another day?
 

Oscar46016

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Cardiff - Paddington - she went online and you always seem to have to select a train before buying the ticket.

I usually use railcards so I never have a problem.
 

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Also, is the return trip going to be on the same day as the outward journey or another day?
Indeed. One other observation is that the return portion of a flexible "open return" ticket, such as an Anytime Return, is that it's normally only ever valid for a month (less a day) and so isn't suitable if the trip is any longer.
 
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Gaelan

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Cardiff - Paddington - she went online and you always seem to have to select a train before buying the ticket.
Even if you have to select the train, you can still choose an off-peak or anytime return ticket later in the process - these are valid on any train (or any off-peak train, in the case of off-peak tickets), not just the one you selected. Just make sure you don't accidentally buy advance tickets, which are only valid on the selected train.
 

Oscar46016

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Even if you have to select the train, you can still choose an off-peak or anytime return ticket later in the process - these are valid on any train (or any off-peak train, in the case of off-peak tickets), not just the one you selected. Just make sure you don't accidentally buy advance tickets, which are only valid on the selected train.
Thanks - that makes sense!
 

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Absolutely.

Consider also an advance outbound and flexible single return leg. There are evening peak restrictions out of Paddington which requires the Anytime Day Single £147.10, rather than the Off Peak Single at £77.90, but if the outbound is £20 or something and the return is off peak, it still makes sense.

Off Peak Return for this journey is £131.10. This afternoon, taking an advance out and a off peak single back, the total is £133 but it is often cheaper.

You often have to "scroll down" or click an extra button to reveal flexible and return fares rather than singles. I guess this is done to present mainly the cheapest option and not an endless array of fares. But it doesn't necessarily give the best ticket for the passenger, or saves them £1 or £2 at the loss of massive flexibility!

You can always find a flex return option (other than certain routes on LNER, controversially) but it may not be the first one the interface shows you!

Just make sure she is aware of the time restrictions for the Off Peak Return, which are clearly listed here for Cardiff-Paddington: https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/ticket-types/validity/wv/
 
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