Merle Haggard
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I did look on the always correct /s web and thought I found it but on repeating the question I may have got the wrong Mick - Whelan rather than Lynch. Didn't realise that ASLEF was still affiliated though.
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I did look on the always correct /s web and thought I found it but on repeating the question I may have got the wrong Mick - Whelan rather than Lynch. Didn't realise that ASLEF was still affiliated though.
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Blackpool boy
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You can check the full list here https://labour.org.uk/whos-on-the-nec/ you may have got mistaken for Mick Whelan
Kipperthecat
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“Hi Rachel”
“Hi Louise”
“I’ve had Mick on about giving his Network Rail members the same 4.5% as we offered the other Mick”
“Sure”
So about a 10 second delay then.
Blackpool boy
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That's not quite how things work
Kipperthecat
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But it is how the lowest form of wit does
Government have only been in power a matter of weeks. I think it’s incumbent upon people to give them a little space to work through these talks so both sides are comfortable. That’s only fair.
Labour, particularly Louise Haigh, have gone to great lengths to emphasise their keenness to reset industrial relations. It looks as though they are doing their part as I’m sure the RMT are. Things have been abysmal under the Conservatives and the fact we have offers being balloted on ASLEF and extremely positive noises surrounding the RMT talks is demonstrative of a sea-change in progress. I don’t think anyone can argue that we’re not in a much better place than 3-4 months ago. This needs to be acknowledged and celebrated.
I understand people’s frustration but a little more patience is all that’s required and I’m sure it’ll be resolved soon.
The good news is there’s been no bad news. It’s also worth looking back on the ASLEF thread. There were a few vocal dissenters who were posting their frustrations on the morning of the ASLEF offer being announced, then suddenly the confirmation of the offer landed later that same day!
One last point. It’s imperative union members stand in solidarity. It’s a commonly banded about word but its significance in these negotiations is often under appreciated.
Governments and their negotiating teams operative in relative silence, offering few clues whilst maintaining a professional and discrete persona. It’s absolutely imperative that we the union members adopt the same tactics. Support your local reps who in turn back the senior negotiators. Posting criticisms on public forums is perhaps counterproductive and encourages others. This is exactly what any opposing negotiating team want to see and only serves to increase their bargaining power at the expense of the unions.
Smile all…… nearly there
Labour, particularly Louise Haigh, have gone to great lengths to emphasise their keenness to reset industrial relations. It looks as though they are doing their part as I’m sure the RMT are. Things have been abysmal under the Conservatives and the fact we have offers being balloted on ASLEF and extremely positive noises surrounding the RMT talks is demonstrative of a sea-change in progress. I don’t think anyone can argue that we’re not in a much better place than 3-4 months ago. This needs to be acknowledged and celebrated.
I understand people’s frustration but a little more patience is all that’s required and I’m sure it’ll be resolved soon.
The good news is there’s been no bad news. It’s also worth looking back on the ASLEF thread. There were a few vocal dissenters who were posting their frustrations on the morning of the ASLEF offer being announced, then suddenly the confirmation of the offer landed later that same day!
One last point. It’s imperative union members stand in solidarity. It’s a commonly banded about word but its significance in these negotiations is often under appreciated.
Governments and their negotiating teams operative in relative silence, offering few clues whilst maintaining a professional and discrete persona. It’s absolutely imperative that we the union members adopt the same tactics. Support your local reps who in turn back the senior negotiators. Posting criticisms on public forums is perhaps counterproductive and encourages others. This is exactly what any opposing negotiating team want to see and only serves to increase their bargaining power at the expense of the unions.
Smile all…… nearly there
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What on earth do you think we've been doing. If the reps don't know or won't say, what else is there to do!!! This is literally the situation we are in. Banging our heads against a wall.
If it was up to me, just a lowly member, I'd be having ballot papers out for industrial action. I've been patient for 9 months. I hope, and actually feel that this is the growing opinion.
If requiring government back in parliament was a requirement for getting these pay deals "signed off" then we've only got until the 13th before they bugger off for another month for party conference.
This all needs to be settled before the budget otherwise a few curveballs could come our way.
This all needs to be settled before the budget otherwise a few curveballs could come our way.
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That's not going to happen....
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(Removed, answered and I hadn't reloaded page)
Captain Chaos
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Been hearing we should be getting news and an e referendum with recommendation to accept "probably this week". It's all fine. It's just taking its time as expected. People seem to have forgotten A LOT has happened in the last 9 months!
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TOC or NR?
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TOC as far as I'm aware. I know nothing of NR side I'm afraid
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I shouldn't get too excited about payrises- with the forthcoming raids on pensions and probably means testing for the state pension we're all probably going to be worse off in the long run.
Merle Haggard
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Thank you.
It's an interesting list because there is correlation with the present Government making pay settlements with some Unions very quickly and others not - on the railways, ASLEF (on NEC) quick, RMT (not) still waiting.
Correlation does not mean causation. I have no political point to make.
Thankfully you are in no way representative. Most of us are just glad that there is now obvious light at the end of the tunnel. In fact, the light at end of tunnel moment has passed really. A deal has been done(in principle at least), the figures have been given and it doesn't really matter when it comes as we'll have backpay anyway.
Apart from a couple of quite frankly weird posts on here, I haven't detected much frustration from colleagues.
Agreed.
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No deal has been done for Network Rail. The meetings didn't even happen. There is growing frustration throughout NR!
Kipperthecat
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RMT moves transport motion at TUC and welcomes bus announcement
RMT moves transport motion at TUC and welcomes bus announcement
www.rmt.org.uk
Hopefully, someone else is still talking to NR.
“Only by having a fully publicly owned and integrated transport system can we have an industry that benefits workers and passengers alike."
Under BR, workers were relatively poorly paid, rolling stock was, on average, older and fewer trains were scheduled to run.
Is ideological dogma going to get us RPI + 0.5% like we got, ON TIME, for years …. Clearly not !
No instead, you get strikes and, at least, 9 months of delay to pay increases … still when you are at (class) war , you have to have casualties.
There is no planned raid on the railway pension.
Who is "they"?
GardenRail
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Labour! Remember Gordon Brown's sticky fingers....
I wouldn't describe that as "not long ago"!
dk1
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I wouldn’t worry too much about anything like that happening.
greatkingrat
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Not specifically the railway pension, but the rumoured changes to tax relief will affect all pension schemes.
Change in TAX relief will not affect the railway pension. The amount you pay in is fixed. Currently it is taken out before you pay tax on it. If they reduce the amount of tax relief then it will be taken out of your salary after you have paid tax on it. They will still take out the same amount. You however will pay more tax.
Actually many members may be better off. One of the suggestions is that all pension contributions will benefit from 30% tax relief. So if you are a lower rate tax payer more money will go into your pension. However those higher rate tax payers will pay extra as their relief will go down from 40% to 30%
High Dyke
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Which is why Network Rail RMT members should attend branch meetings and get a resolution put forward to the NEC and Regional Council expressing their dissatisfaction at the time it is taking to resolve this. Some branches have already done it. Perhaps others need to as well!
The amount paid in is presumably only fixed in that it’s been agreed between the employer and the union, if circumstances change there will undoubtedly be pressure to adjust it.
Employers NI being charged on employer pension contributions increases the cost of employing someone.
Capping the tax free lump sum may well affect people who have made plans depending on that payout.
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