Routeing Tables

[Stuart0742]

This will have been covered before, but I am a complete novice as far as these are concerned,

so, Routeing Tables

Is there a simple explanation and where can I find them

If a complete novice (general public) buys a ticket from a ticket machine and the ticket says

Route
Any Permitted, how does he/she know what is permitted

 

[wintonian]

Permitted routes are found by using the Routeing Guide which isn't exactly a simple tool, but it can be useful to understand it.

 

[Stuart0742]

So how does Joe Bloggs the passenger go on

 

[tony_mac]

So how does Joe Bloggs the passenger go on

Ask at the station, call National Rail Enquiries or try and use their website.

There are just too many possibilities to make it easy to use and accurate. (although some might say it manages neither!)

 

[Stuart0742]

Permitted routes are found by using the Routeing Guide which isn't exactly a simple tool, but it can be useful to understand it.

Looks like a good bit of bedtime reading

Thanks

 

[wintonian]

I would say the only real way to find out is to use the guide I linked to. National Rail Enquires and to a lesser extent ticket office staff will generally only say it's a permitted route if there journey planner comes up with it, and sometimes insist that only the most direct route is permitted which in most circumstances is incorrect. At least that is my experience.
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Looks like a good bit of bedtime reading

Thanks

If you need any help with it just ask and someone will pop along.

 

[yorkie]

For some tips, look at previous topics where people have asked about permitted routes, for example, Manchester to Sheffield is a straightforward example as both are routeing points, so you can go straight into looking at the list of maps that you can use. There are only 2 maps to use in this case. Easy! Other examples get harder.

If you wish to look up a particular route, feel free to post here details of your origin and destination and how far you have got (ie, which part are you stuck on) and your findings so far, and we'll be happy to help you figure it out.

I agree it's not a simple document but there are quite a few people here these days who have a good understanding of it.

 

[Stuart0742]

For some tips, look at previous topics where people have asked about permitted routes, for example, Manchester to Sheffield is a straightforward example as both are routeing points, so you can go straight into looking at the list of maps that you can use. There are only 2 maps to use in this case. Easy! Other examples get harder.

If you wish to look up a particular route, feel free to post here details of your origin and destination and how far you have got (ie, which part are you stuck on) and your findings so far, and we'll be happy to help you figure it out.

I agree it's not a simple document but there are quite a few people here these days who have a good understanding of it.

Thanks for all the help

As an example I am looking at Sheffield to Leeds

Am I right in thinking that Sheffield to Leeds via Doncaster is a permitted route, reference to the Yellow pages Sheffield to Leeds RP's, map DO is the 1st followed by SY then YL.

So if travelling Sheffield to Leeds you may use via Doncaster or via Barnsley

 

[wintonian]

Sheffield and Leeds are both routing points, so no need for a fares check.

Sheffield to Leeds is valid by routes using map DO or SY or YL.


Via Doncaster is only valid by map DO.

Map's SY and YL would require double backing through Swinton and as such no permitted route exists using either map.


Sheffield to Leeds via Barnsley is valid using map SY.

Map YL would require double backing through Swinton so is not a permitted route.

Map DO would require double backing through Meadowhall and Swinton so is not a permitted route.


So yes via Doncaster is allowed by using map DO and via Barnsley is allowed using map SY.

Hope that helps.

 

[CheekyBandit]

So if travelling Sheffield to Leeds you may use via Doncaster or via Barnsley

Have often done the route. The Sheffield - Leeds tickets I have always got have never been valid via Doncaster.

 

[wintonian]

That would be because some fares have the route "NOT DONCASTER" on the ticket.

It is however valid on tickets which state route "ANY PERMITTED".

 

[brompton rail]

£11:40 SDR via Barnsley / Moorthorpe OR £14:00 via Doncaster. Use Journey Planner and request journey after 05.00. Result is 05.25 EMT at £14 'cause it goes via Doncaster or 05.33 @ £ 11.40 'cause it goes via Moorthorpe. QED.

 

[wintonian]

The walk on fares are as in the attachment: