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Discussion in 'Buses & Coaches' started by fredk, 2 Jan 2017.
What "5 year age limit on buses"?
There are certainly 52 reg buses still in service in London.
Tenders are usually for 5 years, with extensions to 7 years. That same bus is then usually used again for at least another 5 year tender.
There might be a market for the entire fleet in Rotherham...?
Whilst the bendies became a problem for the leasing/operating companies this immediately became a problem for TfL as it was clear that anything slightly odd that went into London had to pay for itself before the next mayor came along and chucked the toys out of the pram again. hence why all the Borisbuses are owned by TfL (and in a fairer society should have been recharged to Boris!).
"In July of last year, 300 London bus conductors were made redundant as part of plans to save £10m per year from the transport budget."
More DOO. Presumably the drivers went on strike?
And that is why TfL had to buy the Boris Buses. The leasing companies had their fingers burned with the bendybuses, and weren't prepared to be bitten again, so TfL had to buy them and lease them out (and force operators to use them through the tendering process, for that matter).
They were effectively DOO with the "conductors" - these were not conductors in the traditional sense - they did not sell or even check tickets. Drivers on these new buses have no ticket checking responsibilities (unless someone boards with a bus saver ticket).
Where are you quoting that from, BTW?
I don't think TfL ever referred to them as 'conductors' until the announcement that they were being phased out i.e. made redundant. They were 'customer assistants' or somesuch vague title until then.
Indeed - that's why I put "conductors" in quotes.
They were a very odd thing indeed - basically, to all intents and purposes, a human door.
The quote is from the Guardian, in the first post of this thread
A pretty boring job, I'd have thought.
I remember all of them seemed to have an iPad which they were using most of the time. Just wondering if it was connected to the bus and part of the "dispatch" procedure?
It would be casting aspersions to say 'connected to YouTube more likely' so I won't. Unless the driver also had an iPad, and was in a position to use it, I don't follow that, but then I know next to nothing.
It could have been an app where they press a confirmation which shows in the drivers cab on the dash. I remember from the early design specification that "wifi" would be used instead of a bell for the conductor to give the driver the all clear.
You sure that's not that the bells are wireless (which they are)?
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Indeed. A boring job only made vaguely useful by the poorly (or not at all) thought through layout of bus stops in London, which was essentially ignored in the days of proper RMs but hasn't been much improved recently.
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Now now, can't have that about the layout of bus stops in RM days, which used to be given a lot of thought, not all of it in the pub. Seriously, it was a subject that engendered a lot of work involving local London boroughs, the Met Police and even the TGWU, as well as the lowly-placed muggins at 55 Broadway, later Grosvenor Place, in the special section devoted entirely to the subject, each stop having its own file card with all the details of its positioning, type of stop etc, dating back to WW2! I was briefly one of the muggins, dealing with West London, the area of London with which I am still least acquainted. Converting a route from RT or RM operation to one-person operation frequently meant a move of bus stop, shelter. layby, etc, sometimes to the other side of a junction. Admittedly, what 'we' wanted wasn't always possible, especially with some boroughs (the mention of the word Ealing still sends shivers down my spine).
Why would they do that? It would run out of battery, it could crash/behave oddly, the fact you'd be tying an essential safety system to a wifi network would be problematic, etc.
They did have a button to say "go" to the driver (in fact I believe it released a brake that was applied once the door was opened). But it was part of the bus, in the usual place near where the conductor's cabinet was.
Interesting, as my opinion remains that in much of central London it is decidedly sub-optimal. One thing that would provide massive improvement would be moving stops to traffic lights with a box junction immediately before the lights so that the bus can always get out at the lights and not be held up by queues.