Sandy derailment 1998

[gwr]

Hi - does anyone know which class 91 was involved in the derailment at Sandy in Bedfordshire in June 1998?

 

[Ilove165's]

IIRC 91123 (which was also the train that tipped over at Hatfield, and was subsiquently re-numbered 91132...can never remember the reason...)

Hope that helped

Sam

 

[90019]

IIRC 91123 (which was also the train that tipped over at Hatfield, and was subsiquently re-numbered 91132...can never remember the reason...)QUOTE]

91023/132 was involved in both the Hatfield and Selby accidents, the reason it wasn't renumbered 91123 is something to do with people believing it's bad luck.

 

[GNERman]

Yeah a GNER driver told me it was because 91023 was involved in both Sandy and Great Heck and that it was bad luck. I have some photos that were taken first hand if anyone wants to see...

 

[Coxster]

I'm not sure where it came from, but I believe this was the Sandy incident. Found this .gif file on my harddrive.

Clicky (700kb)

 

[gwr]

I'm not sure where it came from, but I believe this was the Sandy incident. Found this .gif file on my harddrive.

Clicky (700kb)

Wow! Great footage, and definitely the Sandy incident (see the date on the screen)

I was aware that 91023 was involved at Hatfield (Oct 2000) & Great Heck/Selby (Feb 2001), but was it also involved in the Sandy incident in June 98? If it was, then it deserved to be renumbered!

 

[222001]

What caused this derailment and what happened?
By looking at that video its seems that the last passenger coach has derailed, generating a lot of white smoke in the process.

 

[Darandio]

What caused this derailment and what happened?
By looking at that video its seems that the last passenger coach has derailed, generating a lot of white smoke in the process.

Looks like dust churned up by the ballast.

 

[gwr]

Cracked wheel on a Mark 4 carriage - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/114771.stm

 

[bluenoxid]

The results were quite interesting. Some WAGN units made it to Leeds (I think) because the full mk4 fleet were pulled for inspections.

 

[Craig]

Don't think it was 91023 that involved in Sandy. However it was definately involved in Hatfield (it didn't tip) and Great Heck (again didn't tip). Incredibly it didn't become too damaged in either incident but when it went in for repairs it was re-numberd 91132 in the 91/1 program.

 

[90019]

Incredibly it didn't become too damaged in either incident

In both accidents, the train was running DVT end first, thats why ther was so little damage to the loco.

 

[Royston Vasey]

The results were quite interesting. Some WAGN units made it to Leeds (I think) because the full mk4 fleet were pulled for inspections.

Even further, NSE livery 317s made it to Newcastle. Looks bizarre doesn't it!

http://europeanrailways.fotopic.net/p55539214.html (not my photo)

 

[Pumbaa]

Bloody hell!

 

[golden40]

91023 is not first loco to be re-numbered becouse of accident, i cant remember no of 47 that was re-numbered to 47299 but it did no good as it was involved in fatal accident after it,s re-numbering

 

[KingboyD]

Yeah a GNER driver told me it was because 91023 was involved in both Sandy and Great Heck and that it was bad luck. I have some photos that were taken first hand if anyone wants to see...

Post em up then

 

[golden40]

update 47216 was re-numbered 47299 after a clairvoiant forseen a loco numberd 47216 was involved in fatal accident. Immingham depot re-numbered the 47 to 299 in december 1981 but in december 1983 the loco had a collision with units E53049 & E54059 at wrawby junction near barnetby but no fatalities in this incident. I can not find any information but i remember this loco 47299 in crew works during a visit in the late 80' early 90' receiving attention to damage from yet another collision

 

[GNERman]

What happened was that the HST's did the longer routes and then the WYPTE 321's did Leeds-London services and WAGN 317's did services to York and Newcastle.

 

[djw1981]

How did WYPTE and WAGN cover their own services? And I bet someone had a huge bill for late running, maintenance staff overtime, stock hire and cancelled services in London / WY areas.

 

[bluenoxid]

update 47216 was re-numbered 47299 after a clairvoiant forseen a loco numberd 47216 was involved in fatal accident. Immingham depot re-numbered the 47 to 299 in december 1981 but in december 1983 the loco had a collision with units E53049 & E54059 at wrawby junction near barnetby but no fatalities in this incident. I can not find any information but i remember this loco 47299 in crew works during a visit in the late 80' early 90' receiving attention to damage from yet another collision

You're wrong

http://www.angelfire.com/mn2/Oubliette/47299.html
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What happened was that the HST's did the longer routes and then the WYPTE 321's did Leeds-London services and WAGN 317's did services to York and Newcastle.

WAGN probably shortformed trains and West Yorks had 20 308's to play with and diesels from the NS/ATN franchise.

 

[Failed Unit]

All service to Aberdeen and Inverness were cancelled as the HST's were on other routes.

The picture of the IC225 sets on IC livery on the BBC link brings back some happy memories

I thought the loco was renumber out of respect to the families that lost love ones rather than it been "unlucky".

 

[KingBBoogaloo]

What happened was that the HST's did the longer routes and then the WYPTE 321's did Leeds-London services and WAGN 317's did services to York and Newcastle.

Almost correct.

What happend after Sandy was the HSTs operated a 125mph service between Kings Cross and Newcastle, the obvious exceptions being those HSTs heading south from Aberdeen/Inverness.

Some 91s+MkIVs operated a 80mph service between Kings Cross and the north.

Northern Spirit provided stock to connect into these. A pair of 156s with NS and GNER crews did a couple of Newcastle-Edinburgh returns. Plus a 321/9 did a Leeds-London return.

Also a pair of WAGN 365s did a London-York return. This started out as a London-Leeds service, but en-route some one rememberd 365s wern't cleared for Doncaster-Leeds so they were sent to York instead.

No 317s were hired in on that day.

For the record, the photo of the 317s at Newcastle, it was a staff special for Hornesy depot staff.