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Southeastern High Speed 'Preview' services to Margate and Dover Priory

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jammity87

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I am not looking forward to this whatsoever, Many stations have their services cut for example my station only having two slow trains to london from December.


Does starting this earlier mean they will cut their services sooner?
 

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No, that's why it is called a preview.

Surely the only stations that lose out majorly are West Malling, Maidstone East and Bearsted, with the withdrawal of the hourly Cannon Street - Ashford service?
 

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No, that's why it is called a preview.

Surely the only stations that lose out majorly are West Malling, Maidstone East and Bearsted, with the withdrawal of the hourly Cannon Street - Ashford service?

I'd have thought that that would be a bit of a premature withdrawal (sorry for the double entendre) as surely most of the passengers on these trains come from intermediate stations without easy access to HS1.
 

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No, that's why it is called a preview.

Surely the only stations that lose out majorly are West Malling, Maidstone East and Bearsted, with the withdrawal of the hourly Cannon Street - Ashford service?

Oh no there are many losers, the Medway stations (Rochester, Chatham, Gillingham and Rainham) go from having 4 trains an hour to Victoria to 2 slow. Newington goes from having 2 trains an hour to just one.

I sincerly hope that they have to amend the timetable due to mass over crowding especially as trains will run at these frequencies even at rush hours.
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How much have ****e-eastern jacked up the prices to use these new trains, i got a leaflet through the door a few weeks ago saying about the times, but nothing about cost.
 

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Also losing out are: Farningham Road, Sole Street, Rochester and Teynham. They lose half of their London Victoria services.
 

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'Preview' updates are as follows:

[Peak]
* 0648/0748 ex-Ashford International will become the 0600/0705 ex-Ramsgates (plus Canterbury West calls)
* 0713 ex-Ashford International will become the 0642 ex-Dover Priory (plus Folkestone Central/West calls)
* 0742 ex-Dover Priory introduced (as per the 0642 but no Ebbsfleet International call)
* 1637/1837 ex-London St Pancras extended to Dover Priory (same calls as 0642 above but in the opposite direction)
* 1737/1926 ex-London St Pancras extended to Ramsgate (same calls as 0600 above but in the opposite direction)

[Off-Peak]
1137 London St Pancras - Ashford International introduced
1220 Ashford International - London St Pancras introduced

Visit the SER site for further information.
 

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Ashford, Staplehurst and Paddock Wood (according to the SE draft timetable) will see services to Charing Cross cut by half. Pluckley sees an increase (the mind boggles!) from 1 to 2 trains an hour. My local station sees the following changes:

Saturday service, direct to Charing Cross, cut from 2 to 1 train an hour. This has a seven minute wait at Ashford, before proceeding to call at all stations to Tonbridge, then Sevenoaks, London Bridge, Waterloo East and Charing Cross. Fastest journey time was 1hr 21mins; now 1hr 46mins. Sandwich, Deal, Walmer and Martin Mill lose out all together, with the service cut by half and no alternative.

Sunday service now has to attach to a service from Canterbury West at Ashford; I imagine this will lead to a reduction from 8 to 4 carriages for the section from Sandwich - Ashford via Dover, unless these services are going to run as 12 coaches from Ashford. Summer sees an influx of passengers; I boarded a Southern service to Brighton yesterday, formed of 4 x 377/3, every coach completely rammed. It makes you wonder how South Eastern will cope next summer, what with the service/carriage reduction. Will everybody immediately switch to High Speed and St Pancras? Hey, maybe they might make changes in the May timetable. Only time will tell!
 

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Ashford, Staplehurst and Paddock Wood (according to the SE draft timetable) will see services to Charing Cross cut by half. Pluckley sees an increase (the mind boggles!) from 1 to 2 trains an hour. My local station sees the following changes:

Saturday service, direct to Charing Cross, cut from 2 to 1 train an hour. This has a seven minute wait at Ashford, before proceeding to call at all stations to Tonbridge, then Sevenoaks, London Bridge, Waterloo East and Charing Cross. Fastest journey time was 1hr 21mins; now 1hr 46mins. Sandwich, Deal, Walmer and Martin Mill lose out all together, with the service cut by half and no alternative.

Sunday service now has to attach to a service from Canterbury West at Ashford; I imagine this will lead to a reduction from 8 to 4 carriages for the section from Sandwich - Ashford via Dover, unless these services are going to run as 12 coaches from Ashford. Summer sees an influx of passengers; I boarded a Southern service to Brighton yesterday, formed of 4 x 377/3, every coach completely rammed. It makes you wonder how South Eastern will cope next summer, what with the service/carriage reduction. Will everybody immediately switch to High Speed and St Pancras? Hey, maybe they might make changes in the May timetable. Only time will tell!

Whilst some of the commuters might find the high speed services more useful, without some heavy discounting of the price I suspect most leisure travellers (including myself) will continue to use the classic routes. South Eastern prices already seem extortionate - particularly as there seem to be no advance savings.
 

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Also losing out are: Farningham Road, Sole Street, Rochester and Teynham. They lose half of their London Victoria services.

Im rather glad my Mums moved from Teynham now as this would make it a nightmare. In peak the 2tph was fairly busy.

Does anyone know if the peak Cannon Street service surives?
 
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