Southern gaurds Vic and selhurst

[Metobusfan]

Hi. I was wondering where do the vic gaurds sign and the selhurst garden sign

 

[tsr]

Selhurst sign:

Victoria to East Croydon via Selhurst and via Crystal Palace
London Bridge to East Croydon via South Bermondsey/West Norwood and via Forest Hill
Above termini to Sutton via West Croydon and via Tulse Hill / Balham & Mitcham Eastfields
Sutton to Horsham via Dorking
Leatherhead to Guildford via Bookham
East Croydon to Brighton via Redhill/Quarry only (not Hove or Lewes)
Three Bridges to Horsham
South Croydon to Uckfield and East Grinstead via Oxted
+ Link 1 only will sign Clapham Junction / Tulse Hill to Milton Keynes Central and Stewarts Lane Depot
Some sign the Battersea Reversible and Chatham Main/Reversible to London Victoria, others only sign via Battersea Park - not link-dependent, strictly speaking, but mainly Link 1 & instructors
One or two still supposedly sign London Bridge - Brixton Junction via Denmark Hill but it's never relied upon now and not learnt by new folk
Other than Milton Keynes, both Links 2 and 3 sign all routes
Traction: 171, 455, 377

The big differences with Victoria are that Vic guards do not sign any routes to or via Sutton / Leatherhead. They also only sign 377s so do not work the Uckfield line (171s) or have diversionary knowledge via South Bermondsey. Victoria do, however, sign the route to Eastbourne (Selhurst do not sign routes off the Mainline via Lewes), sign Reigate, and work trains to Littlehampton via Hove or Arundel. There are other coastal bits here and there too.

Victoria guards do not pick up trains from Selhurst Depot [or any others] but Selhurst guards do. Selhurst do not sign the depot as such, but do have an extensive induction and full working knowledge of walking routes and siding locations.

Victoria and Selhurst guards do see a fair bit of each other on the East Grinstead route but not a lot else really. The two depots are classed as "Metro" so linked administratively to some extent. Victoria is a non-residential depot, meaning later starts and earlier finishes (or overnight work with shifts starting and ending during normal full service hours). Anything before around 0500 or after midnight often results in a cab home being paid for by the company, if the employee wants it. Selhurst guards have no such luck and start/finish shifts at almost any time, including 0200 finishes and 0300 starts, with employees having to get to work by their own means in the vast majority of circumstances.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Hi. I was wondering where do the vic gaurds sign and the selhurst garden sign

We must first ask ourselves what a "gaurd" is

 

[6Gman]

We must first ask ourselves what a "gaurd" is

"Selhurst Garden" sounds a nice depot.

 

[tsr]

"Selhurst Garden" sounds a nice depot.

Oh it is. There is a lovely bit of moss growing here and there, and a lot of random old weeds by the Coal Road. There's even a special fern which splashes rainwater on you by the North sidings. Other depots also have their variations; Streatham Hill has some amazing lichen growing under the third rail. /sarcasm
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We must first ask ourselves what a "gaurd" is

I prefer it to "ticket man" or "bloke who works here".

 

[Metobusfan]

Selhurst sign:

Victoria to East Croydon via Selhurst and via Crystal Palace
London Bridge to East Croydon via South Bermondsey/West Norwood and via Forest Hill
Above termini to Sutton via West Croydon and via Tulse Hill / Balham & Mitcham Eastfields
Sutton to Horsham via Dorking
Leatherhead to Guildford via Bookham
East Croydon to Brighton via Redhill/Quarry only (not Hove or Lewes)
Three Bridges to Horsham
South Croydon to Uckfield and East Grinstead via Oxted
+ Link 1 only will sign Clapham Junction / Tulse Hill to Milton Keynes Central and Stewarts Lane Depot
Some sign the Battersea Reversible and Chatham Main/Reversible to London Victoria, others only sign via Battersea Park - not link-dependent, strictly speaking, but mainly Link 1 & instructors
One or two still supposedly sign London Bridge - Brixton Junction via Denmark Hill but it's never relied upon now and not learnt by new folk
Other than Milton Keynes, both Links 2 and 3 sign all routes
Traction: 171, 455, 377

The big differences with Victoria are that Vic guards do not sign any routes to or via Sutton / Leatherhead. They also only sign 377s so do not work the Uckfield line (171s) or have diversionary knowledge via South Bermondsey. Victoria do, however, sign the route to Eastbourne (Selhurst do not sign routes off the Mainline via Lewes), sign Reigate, and work trains to Littlehampton via Hove or Arundel. There are other coastal bits here and there too.

Victoria guards do not pick up trains from Selhurst Depot [or any others] but Selhurst guards do. Selhurst do not sign the depot as such, but do have an extensive induction and full working knowledge of walking routes and siding locations.

Victoria and Selhurst guards do see a fair bit of each other on the East Grinstead route but not a lot else really. The two depots are classed as "Metro" so linked administratively to some extent. Victoria is a non-residential depot, meaning later starts and earlier finishes (or overnight work with shifts starting and ending during normal full service hours). Anything before around 0500 or after midnight often results in a cab home being paid for by the company, if the employee wants it. Selhurst guards have no such luck and start/finish shifts at almost any time, including 0200 finishes and 0300 starts, with employees having to get to work by their own means in the vast majority of circumstances.

Thanks for that

 

[Metobusfan]

Selhurst sign:

Victoria to East Croydon via Selhurst and via Crystal Palace
London Bridge to East Croydon via South Bermondsey/West Norwood and via Forest Hill
Above termini to Sutton via West Croydon and via Tulse Hill / Balham & Mitcham Eastfields
Sutton to Horsham via Dorking
Leatherhead to Guildford via Bookham
East Croydon to Brighton via Redhill/Quarry only (not Hove or Lewes)
Three Bridges to Horsham
South Croydon to Uckfield and East Grinstead via Oxted
+ Link 1 only will sign Clapham Junction / Tulse Hill to Milton Keynes Central and Stewarts Lane Depot
Some sign the Battersea Reversible and Chatham Main/Reversible to London Victoria, others only sign via Battersea Park - not link-dependent, strictly speaking, but mainly Link 1 & instructors
One or two still supposedly sign London Bridge - Brixton Junction via Denmark Hill but it's never relied upon now and not learnt by new folk
Other than Milton Keynes, both Links 2 and 3 sign all routes
Traction: 171, 455, 377

The big differences with Victoria are that Vic guards do not sign any routes to or via Sutton / Leatherhead. They also only sign 377s so do not work the Uckfield line (171s) or have diversionary knowledge via South Bermondsey. Victoria do, however, sign the route to Eastbourne (Selhurst do not sign routes off the Mainline via Lewes), sign Reigate, and work trains to Littlehampton via Hove or Arundel. There are other coastal bits here and there too.

Victoria guards do not pick up trains from Selhurst Depot [or any others] but Selhurst guards do. Selhurst do not sign the depot as such, but do have an extensive induction and full working knowledge of walking routes and siding locations.

Victoria and Selhurst guards do see a fair bit of each other on the East Grinstead route but not a lot else really. The two depots are classed as "Metro" so linked administratively to some extent. Victoria is a non-residential depot, meaning later starts and earlier finishes (or overnight work with shifts starting and ending during normal full service hours). Anything before around 0500 or after midnight often results in a cab home being paid for by the company, if the employee wants it. Selhurst guards have no such luck and start/finish shifts at almost any time, including 0200 finishes and 0300 starts, with employees having to get to work by their own means in the vast majority of circumstances.

Is that the same for the drivers

 

[tsr]

Is that the same for the drivers

Nope! I'm not an expert on the driver route knowledge but their work often consists of DOO Metro work (eg. towards Caterham / Sutton etc.) and moving trains between the South London depots and London Victoria/London Bridge. There's also no diesel work at either depot, and whilst Selhurst conductors sign everything on the Oxted lines, Selhurst drivers do not sign anything via Oxted (and Victoria drivers only sign East Grinstead, of course). Intensive DOO work around South London is a particularly prominent feature of Selhurst diagrams (and indeed Caterham / Epsom / London Bridge). Selhurst conductors in particular do sign a number of routes which usually run DOO, but don't dispatch on most trains on those routes.

There are quite a few variations with route knowledge and electric traction knowledge per link - this is not something I can really advise on but the above gives a general picture.

 

[Galvanize]

Is that the same for the drivers

Drivers:
Southern London Bridge (LC):
377, 455

London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
London Bridge-Streatham Common (via Tulse Hill)
London Victoria-Caterham (via Norbury and East Croydon)
Streatham-Sutton (via Mitcham)
Streatham-Sutton (via Tooting and Wimbledon)
Tulse Hill-Beckenham Junction (via Crystal Palace)
Balham-Sydenham (via Crystal Palace)
Crystal Palace-Norwood Junction
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Dorking (via West Croydon and Sutton)
Sutton-Epsom Downs
South Croydon-East Grinstead (via Oxted)
Purley-Tattenham Corner.

Diversionary routes:
Leigham Spur (Tulse Hill-Streatham Hill, usually used by ECS moves)

Depots/sidings:
Selhurst Depot
Streatham Hill sidings
Epsom Down Sidings

Victoria (VC):
377, 455

London Victoria-East Croydon (via Norbury)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
London Bridge-Tulse Hill (via Peckham Rye, Link 2 only)
Balham-Norwood Junction/Sydenham (via Crystal Palace)
Crystal Palace-Beckenham Junction (Link 2 only)
Tulse Hill-Streatham Common (Link 2 only)
Streatham North Junction-Sutton (via Mitcham Junction)
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Dorking (via West Croydon and Sutton)
Sutton-Epsom Downs
South Croydon-East Grinstead (via Oxted)
Peckham Rye-London Victoria (via Denmark Hill and Stewarts Lane, link 2 only)
East Croydon-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel, link 1 only)
Keymer Junction-Ore (via Lewes and Eastbourne, Link 1 only)
Brighton-Lewes (via Moulscoombe, Link 1 only)
Brighton-Littlehampton (via Hove and Worthing plus spur from Preston Park, Link 1 only)
Three Bridges-Bognor Regis (via Crawley and the Arun Valley, Link 1 only)
Dorking-Horsham (via Holmwood, Link 1 only)

Diversionary routes:
Leigham Spur (Tulse Hill-Streatham Hill, Link 2 only)
London Victoria-Tulse Hill via Brixton and Herne Hill
Peckham Rye-London Victoria (via Denmark Hill and Stewarts Lane, link 2 only)

Depots and Sidings:
Selhurst Depot
Streatham Hill depot
Stewarts Lane Depot
Epsom Down Sidings
Victoria Carriage sidings
Battersea Pier Carriage sidings

Norwood (NW):
171 (Links 1 and 2 only), 377, 455

London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
London Bridge-Streatham Common (via Tulse Hill)
London Victoria-Purley (via Norbury and East Croydon)
Streatham-Sutton (via Mitcham)
Tulse Hill-Crystal Palace
Balham-Sydenham (via Crystal Palace)
Crystal Palace-Norwood Junction
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Dorking (via West Croydon and Sutton)
South Croydon-East Grinstead (via Oxted)
Purley-Tattenham Corner (Links 2 and 3 only)
Hurst Green-Uckfield (Links 1 and 2 only)
Dorking-Horsham (via Holmwood, Link 2 only)
Clapham Junction-Milton Keynes Central (via Kensington Olympia, Link 1 only)
East Croydon-Brighton (via Redhill and via Quarry Tunnel, Link 1 only)

Diversionary routes:
Leigham Spur (Tulse Hill-Streatham Hill)
Streatham Common-Imperial Wharf (via Herne Hill, Brixton and Factory Junction Link 1 only)

Depots and Sidings:
Selhurst Depot
Streatham Hill depot
Epsom Down Sidings

Selhurst (SU):
377, 442 (Link 1 only), 455
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
London Bridge-Streatham Common (via Tulse Hill)
London Victoria-Caterham (via Norbury and East Croydon)
Streatham-Sutton (via Mitcham, Links 1-3 only)
Streatham-Sutton (via Tooting and Wimbledon, Link 1 only)
Tulse Hill-Beckenham Junction (via Crystal Palace)
Balham-Sydenham (via Crystal Palace)
Crystal Palace-Norwood Junction
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Dorking (via West Croydon and Sutton, Link 4 don't sign beyond Epsom)
Sutton-Epsom Downs
Purley-Tattenham Corner.
East Croydon-Reigate (via Coulsdon South and Redhill, Link 3 only)
East Croydon-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel, Link 1 only)
Dorking-Horsham (via Holmwood, Link 1 only)
Three Bridges-Horsham (via Crawley, Link 1 only)

Depots and Sidings:
Selhurst Depot
Streatham Hill sidings
Stewarts Lane Depot (Link 1 only)
Epsom Down sidings
Caterham Sidings

Caterham (CT):
377, 455

London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
London Victoria-Caterham (via Norbury)
Purley-Tattenham Corner
London Bridge-Streatham Common (via Tulse Hill)
Balham-Sydenham/Norwood Junction (via Crystal Palace)
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Epsom Downs (via West Croydon and Sutton)

Epsom (ES):
377, 455

London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
Victoria-Caterham (via Norbury)
Purley-Tattenham Corner
Balham-Sydenham/Norwood Junction (via Crystal Palace)
Selhurst/Norwood Junction-Horsham (via West Croydon, Sutton and Dorking)
Sutton-Epsom Downs


There are a few "exceptions" to the rule, ie drivers who have gone up in the links, but kept their route knowledge upto date, or drivers that have transferred between depots, and some still retain previous route knowledge.

 

[Metobusfan]

Drivers:
Southern London Bridge (LC):
377, 455

London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
London Bridge-Streatham Common (via Tulse Hill)
London Victoria-Caterham (via Norbury and East Croydon)
Streatham-Sutton (via Mitcham)
Streatham-Sutton (via Tooting and Wimbledon)
Tulse Hill-Beckenham Junction (via Crystal Palace)
Balham-Sydenham (via Crystal Palace)
Crystal Palace-Norwood Junction
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Dorking (via West Croydon and Sutton)
Sutton-Epsom Downs
South Croydon-East Grinstead (via Oxted)
Purley-Tattenham Corner.

Diversionary routes:
Leigham Spur (Tulse Hill-Streatham Hill, usually used by ECS moves)

Depots/sidings:
Selhurst Depot
Streatham Hill sidings
Epsom Down Sidings

Victoria (VC):
377, 455

London Victoria-East Croydon (via Norbury)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
London Bridge-Tulse Hill (via Peckham Rye, Link 2 only)
Balham-Norwood Junction/Sydenham (via Crystal Palace)
Crystal Palace-Beckenham Junction (Link 2 only)
Tulse Hill-Streatham Common (Link 2 only)
Streatham North Junction-Sutton (via Mitcham Junction)
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Dorking (via West Croydon and Sutton)
Sutton-Epsom Downs
South Croydon-East Grinstead (via Oxted)
Peckham Rye-London Victoria (via Denmark Hill and Stewarts Lane, link 2 only)
East Croydon-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel, link 1 only)
Keymer Junction-Ore (via Lewes and Eastbourne, Link 1 only)
Brighton-Lewes (via Moulscoombe, Link 1 only)
Brighton-Littlehampton (via Hove and Worthing plus spur from Preston Park, Link 1 only)
Three Bridges-Bognor Regis (via Crawley and the Arun Valley, Link 1 only)
Dorking-Horsham (via Holmwood, Link 1 only)

Diversionary routes:
Leigham Spur (Tulse Hill-Streatham Hill, Link 2 only)
London Victoria-Tulse Hill via Brixton and Herne Hill
Peckham Rye-London Victoria (via Denmark Hill and Stewarts Lane, link 2 only)

Depots and Sidings:
Selhurst Depot
Streatham Hill depot
Stewarts Lane Depot
Epsom Down Sidings
Victoria Carriage sidings
Battersea Pier Carriage sidings

Norwood (NW):
171 (Links 1 and 2 only), 377, 455

London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
London Bridge-Streatham Common (via Tulse Hill)
London Victoria-Purley (via Norbury and East Croydon)
Streatham-Sutton (via Mitcham)
Tulse Hill-Crystal Palace
Balham-Sydenham (via Crystal Palace)
Crystal Palace-Norwood Junction
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Dorking (via West Croydon and Sutton)
South Croydon-East Grinstead (via Oxted)
Purley-Tattenham Corner (Links 2 and 3 only)
Hurst Green-Uckfield (Links 1 and 2 only)
Dorking-Horsham (via Holmwood, Link 2 only)
Clapham Junction-Milton Keynes Central (via Kensington Olympia, Link 1 only)
East Croydon-Brighton (via Redhill and via Quarry Tunnel, Link 1 only)

Diversionary routes:
Leigham Spur (Tulse Hill-Streatham Hill)
Streatham Common-Imperial Wharf (via Herne Hill, Brixton and Factory Junction Link 1 only)

Depots and Sidings:
Selhurst Depot
Streatham Hill depot
Epsom Down Sidings

Selhurst (SU):
377, 442 (Link 1 only), 455
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
London Bridge-Streatham Common (via Tulse Hill)
London Victoria-Caterham (via Norbury and East Croydon)
Streatham-Sutton (via Mitcham, Links 1-3 only)
Streatham-Sutton (via Tooting and Wimbledon, Link 1 only)
Tulse Hill-Beckenham Junction (via Crystal Palace)
Balham-Sydenham (via Crystal Palace)
Crystal Palace-Norwood Junction
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Dorking (via West Croydon and Sutton, Link 4 don't sign beyond Epsom)
Sutton-Epsom Downs
Purley-Tattenham Corner.
East Croydon-Reigate (via Coulsdon South and Redhill, Link 3 only)
East Croydon-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel, Link 1 only)
Dorking-Horsham (via Holmwood, Link 1 only)
Three Bridges-Horsham (via Crawley, Link 1 only)

Depots and Sidings:
Selhurst Depot
Streatham Hill sidings
Stewarts Lane Depot (Link 1 only)
Epsom Down sidings
Caterham Sidings

Caterham (CT):
377, 455

London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
London Victoria-Caterham (via Norbury)
Purley-Tattenham Corner
London Bridge-Streatham Common (via Tulse Hill)
Balham-Sydenham/Norwood Junction (via Crystal Palace)
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Epsom Downs (via West Croydon and Sutton)

Epsom (ES):
377, 455

London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
Victoria-Caterham (via Norbury)
Purley-Tattenham Corner
Balham-Sydenham/Norwood Junction (via Crystal Palace)
Selhurst/Norwood Junction-Horsham (via West Croydon, Sutton and Dorking)
Sutton-Epsom Downs


There are a few "exceptions" to the rule, ie drivers who have gone up in the links, but kept their route knowledge upto date, or drivers that have transferred between depots, and some still retain previous route knowledge.

I guess Barnham, Brighton and Eastbourne do mainline work and coastal

 

[Galvanize]

I guess Barnham, Brighton and Eastbourne do mainline work and coastal

Redhill (RE):
165, 166 (Link 1 only, on behalf of FGW), 377, 455.

London Victoria-Haywards Heath (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
Balham-Norwood Junction (via Crystal Palace, but they DON'T sign Sydenham Spur)
Norwood Junction-Sutton (via West Croydon, Link 2 only, as with Crystal Palace)
Purley-Tattenham Corner (Link 2 only)
Purley-Caterham
Redhill-Tonbridge (Link 2 only, the only Southern drivers who go to Tonbridge!)
Redhill-Reigate
Three Bridges-Horsham (via Crawley)
Haywards Heath-Brighton (Link 1 only)
Keymer Junction-Ore (via Lewes and Eastbourne, Link 1 only)
Brighton-Littlehampton (via Hove and Worthing, also Preston Park-Hove, Link 1 only)
Horsham-Bognor Regis (via the Arun Valley, link 1 only)
Reigate-Reading (via Dorking and Guildford on behalf of FGW, Link 1 only)

Depots and sidings:
Caterham Sidings
Three Bridges Sidings
Tonbridge Jubilee Carriage sidings (Link 2 only)
Redhill Post Office Dock

Three Bridges (TB):
377, 455

London Victoria-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
Balham-Norwood Junction (via Crystal Palace, but NOT Sydenham Spur)
Norwood Junction-Sutton (via West Croydon)
Purley-Tattenham Corner
Purley-Caterham
Three Bridges-Bognor Regis (via Crawley and the Arun Valley)
Brighton-Littlehampton (via Hove and Worthing, also Preston Park-Hove)

Depots and Sidings:
Three Bridges Sidings
Horsham Sidings

Horsham (HR):
377, 455

London Victoria-Three Bridges (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
Balham-Norwood Junction/Sydenham (via Crystal Palace)
Streatham North Junction-Sutton (via Mitcham Junction)
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Horsham (via West Croydon and Dorking)
Three Bridges-Bognor Regis (via Crawley and the Arun Valley, also Littlehampton)
Barnham-Portsmouth Harbour (via Chichester)

Depots and sidings:
Three Bridges Sidings
Epsom sidings
Horsham Sidings
Chichester reception

Brighton (BI):
313, 377, 442 (Links 1 and 2 only)

London Victoria-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel, Links 1-4 only, Link 5 don't sign North of Haywards Heath)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill, Links 1 and 2 only)
Streatham Hill-Norwood Junction/Sydenham (via Crystal Palace, ECS moves only)
Keymer Junction-Ore (via Lewes and Eastbourne)
Brighton-Seaford (via Lewes, also Newhaven Marine branch)
Three Bridges-Bognor Regis (via Crawley and the Arun Valley, Links 1-3 only)
Brighton-Littlehampton (via Hove and Worthing)
Barnham-Portsmouth Harbour (via Chichester, Links 1-3 only)
Havant-Southampton Central (via Cosham, Link 1 only)

Depots and sidings:
Lovers Walk Depot
Hove Yard
Streatham Hill depot (Link 2 only)
Selhurst Depot

Barnham (BH):
313, 377, 442 (Link 1 only)

London Victoria-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel, Links 1-3 only, Link 4 don't sign between Brighton and Preston Park, and only sign the mainline itself to Gatwick Airport)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill, Links 1 and 2 only)
Streatham Hill-Norwood Junction/Sydenham (via Crystal Palace, Link 2 only)
Three Bridges-Bognor Regis (via Crawley and the Arun Valley)
Brighton-Portsmouth Harbour (via Hove and Worthing, also Littlehampton branch)
Havant-Southampton Central (via Cosham, Link 1 only)

Depots and Sidings:
Lovers Walk Depot
Hove Yard
Streatham Hill depot (Link 2 only)
Horsham Sidings
Bognor Regis and Littlehampton sidings
Chichester Reception

Diversionary routes:
Fareham-St Denys (via Hedge End and Southampton Airport Parkway, Link 1 only)

Eastbourne (EB):
171 (Link 1 only), 313, 377

London Victoria-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
Streatham Hill-Norwood Junction/Sydenham (via Crystal Palace, ECS moves, link 2 only)
Keymer Junction-Ore (via Lewes and Eastbourne)
Brighton-Seaford (via Lewes)
Ore-Ashford International (via Rye, Link 1 only)

Depots and Sidings:
Eastbourne Sidings
Streatham Hill depot (Link 2 only)
St Leonards Depot (Link 1 only)

 

[tsr]

I was informed by a fairly reliable source the other day that Barnham has now moved to drivers signing 442 traction in Link 2 only. Also, I believe some of the newer drivers at Norwood have done 171 courses even though they don't sign Uckfield until the top links; how true that is I don't quite know, as only one or two people have told me that, but presumably they'd have to maintain knowledge between London Bridge and East Croydon.

 

[Galvanize]

I was informed by a fairly reliable source the other day that Barnham has now moved to drivers signing 442 traction in Link 2 only.

I knew at least one link at Barnham knows 442s, was either Link 1 or Link 2.

Also, I believe some of the newer drivers at Norwood have done 171 courses even though they don't sign Uckfield until the top links; how true that is I don't quite know, as only one or two people have told me that, but presumably they'd have to maintain knowledge between London Bridge and East Croydon.

Some of the trainee drivers at Norwood have worked with DIs who sign 171s, presumably just to keep up the driving hours, but won't be passed out to drive them until they learn Uckfield.

In addition, new drivers at Norwood sign Caterham, they don't have any booked trips there, but its signed purely for cover. Some of the old boys in Link 1 kept their knowledge of Caterham up to date, fairly useful when covering Caterham or Selhurst jobs!

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

I knew at least one link at Barnham knows 442s, was either Link 1 or Link 2.

I was wondering when the statutory 442 mention would be made

 

[tsr]

I was wondering when the statutory 442 mention would be made

It is actually relevant here...

 

[Metobusfan]

Redhill (RE):
165, 166 (Link 1 only, on behalf of FGW), 377, 455.

London Victoria-Haywards Heath (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
Balham-Norwood Junction (via Crystal Palace, but they DON'T sign Sydenham Spur)
Norwood Junction-Sutton (via West Croydon, Link 2 only, as with Crystal Palace)
Purley-Tattenham Corner (Link 2 only)
Purley-Caterham
Redhill-Tonbridge (Link 2 only, the only Southern drivers who go to Tonbridge!)
Redhill-Reigate
Three Bridges-Horsham (via Crawley)
Haywards Heath-Brighton (Link 1 only)
Keymer Junction-Ore (via Lewes and Eastbourne, Link 1 only)
Brighton-Littlehampton (via Hove and Worthing, also Preston Park-Hove, Link 1 only)
Horsham-Bognor Regis (via the Arun Valley, link 1 only)
Reigate-Reading (via Dorking and Guildford on behalf of FGW, Link 1 only)

Depots and sidings:
Caterham Sidings
Three Bridges Sidings
Tonbridge Jubilee Carriage sidings (Link 2 only)
Redhill Post Office Dock

Three Bridges (TB):
377, 455

London Victoria-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
Balham-Norwood Junction (via Crystal Palace, but NOT Sydenham Spur)
Norwood Junction-Sutton (via West Croydon)
Purley-Tattenham Corner
Purley-Caterham
Three Bridges-Bognor Regis (via Crawley and the Arun Valley)
Brighton-Littlehampton (via Hove and Worthing, also Preston Park-Hove)

Depots and Sidings:
Three Bridges Sidings
Horsham Sidings

Horsham (HR):
377, 455

London Victoria-Three Bridges (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
Balham-Norwood Junction/Sydenham (via Crystal Palace)
Streatham North Junction-Sutton (via Mitcham Junction)
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Horsham (via West Croydon and Dorking)
Three Bridges-Bognor Regis (via Crawley and the Arun Valley, also Littlehampton)
Barnham-Portsmouth Harbour (via Chichester)

Depots and sidings:
Three Bridges Sidings
Epsom sidings
Horsham Sidings
Chichester reception

Brighton (BI):
313, 377, 442 (Links 1 and 2 only)

London Victoria-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel, Links 1-4 only, Link 5 don't sign North of Haywards Heath)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill, Links 1 and 2 only)
Streatham Hill-Norwood Junction/Sydenham (via Crystal Palace, ECS moves only)
Keymer Junction-Ore (via Lewes and Eastbourne)
Brighton-Seaford (via Lewes, also Newhaven Marine branch)
Three Bridges-Bognor Regis (via Crawley and the Arun Valley, Links 1-3 only)
Brighton-Littlehampton (via Hove and Worthing)
Barnham-Portsmouth Harbour (via Chichester, Links 1-3 only)
Havant-Southampton Central (via Cosham, Link 1 only)

Depots and sidings:
Lovers Walk Depot
Hove Yard
Streatham Hill depot (Link 2 only)
Selhurst Depot

Barnham (BH):
313, 377, 442 (Link 1 only)

London Victoria-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel, Links 1-3 only, Link 4 don't sign between Brighton and Preston Park, and only sign the mainline itself to Gatwick Airport)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill, Links 1 and 2 only)
Streatham Hill-Norwood Junction/Sydenham (via Crystal Palace, Link 2 only)
Three Bridges-Bognor Regis (via Crawley and the Arun Valley)
Brighton-Portsmouth Harbour (via Hove and Worthing, also Littlehampton branch)
Havant-Southampton Central (via Cosham, Link 1 only)

Depots and Sidings:
Lovers Walk Depot
Hove Yard
Streatham Hill depot (Link 2 only)
Horsham Sidings
Bognor Regis and Littlehampton sidings
Chichester Reception

Diversionary routes:
Fareham-St Denys (via Hedge End and Southampton Airport Parkway, Link 1 only)

Eastbourne (EB):
171 (Link 1 only), 313, 377

London Victoria-Brighton (via Redhill and Quarry Tunnel)
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
Streatham Hill-Norwood Junction/Sydenham (via Crystal Palace, ECS moves, link 2 only)
Keymer Junction-Ore (via Lewes and Eastbourne)
Brighton-Seaford (via Lewes)
Ore-Ashford International (via Rye, Link 1 only)

Depots and Sidings:
Eastbourne Sidings
Streatham Hill depot (Link 2 only)
St Leonards Depot (Link 1 only)

Don't Eastbourne drivers sign 442

I was wondering when the statutory 442 mention would be made

 

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Don't Eastbourne drivers sign 442

Nope, the peak hour working to/from Eastbourne is worked by Brighton crews. While Brighton, Barnham, Selhurst (Link 1) and Victoria (Gatwick Express) drivers sign 442s, Brighton guards are the only ones who sign them.