SPT Tendered Routes

[AlexanderPS]

Also in the report is that the 189/190 and the 205 are being put back out to tender as McColl's and ARG have pulled out.

 

[Glasgowbusguy]

The 103 seems to be dead 99% of the time.

 

[AlexanderPS]

Looks like McNairn are taking on the Monklands Hospital to Baillieston route commercially. Running as the 101 now instead of having 2 different 212's.

• Registration number: PM2002842/17
• Licence Number: PM2002842
• Variation number: 0
• StatusRegistered
• Service number: 101
• Service type: Normal Stopping
• Start point: Monklands Hospital
• Finish point: Main Street, Baillieston
• ViaCoatbridge, Bargeddie,
• Date received: 24 May 2021
• Effective date: 12 Jul 2021
• End date
• Supported by subsidies? No
• Local authorities covered by route: Strathclyde Partnership for Transport

 

[PaulMc7]

Looks like McNairn are taking on the Monklands Hospital to Baillieston route commercially. Running as the 101 now instead of having 2 different 212's.

It seems to tie in with the already SPT tendered 101 that they operate so it'll run from Baillieston to Upperton with the current 101 to Upperton from Monklands section remaining supported by SPT but it'll run as 1 longer service.

It'll be interesting to see if it's busy enough to be commercially viable for them given the amount of tenders around areas like Coatbridge and Bargeddie

 

[AlexanderPS]

McNairn have operated that section so they must know if it's viable or not.

 

[Observer]

All the upcoming timetables are now available:

Bus Timetables | SPT | Strathclyde Partnership for Transport

SPT subsidises local bus services in areas not served by commercial bus operators. Timetables for these services are provided below. For commercial services visit the operators' website, use the timetable finder below or call Traveline Scotland on 0871 200 2233.

spt.co.uk

 

[christopherrfc]

All the upcoming timetables are now available:

Bus Timetables | SPT | Strathclyde Partnership for Transport

SPT subsidises local bus services in areas not served by commercial bus operators. Timetables for these services are provided below. For commercial services visit the operators' website, use the timetable finder below or call Traveline Scotland on 0871 200 2233.

spt.co.uk

Not all are online; the 29/29a/129, 46, 84, 103, 172, 205, 101 and 213 are still missing.

 

[AlexanderPS]

Ace Mini Coaches taking on the 212.

PM2014327/3 Registered (Short notice)​

ANDREW JOHN MCLEAN
Route: Baillieston, Main Street to Airdrie Broomknoll Street via Kirkwood, Coatbridge
Service number: 212
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Jul 2021

 

[GusB]

Thread reopened due to further developments.

 

[Stan Drews]

It would appear that Kevin’s Coaches abruptly stopped providing service 46 on Friday afternoon. It’s not clear if the service is running at all over this weekend, but the following note has been added to the relevant timetable page on the SPT website.

46
Queenslie – Cranhill – Greenfield – Rutherglen – Castlemilk
Passengers may expect disruption to this service from Friday 19th November
Kevin's Coaches

Bus Timetables | SPT | Strathclyde Partnership for Transport​

SPT subsidises local bus services in areas not served by commercial bus operators. Timetables for these services are provided below. For commercial services visit the operators' website, use the timetable finder below or call Traveline Scotland on 0871 200 2233.

www.spt.co.uk

Any observations welcome...

 

[lastbus]

It would appear that Kevin’s Coaches abruptly stopped providing service 46 on Friday afternoon. It’s not clear if the service is running at all over this weekend, but the following note has been added to the relevant timetable page on the SPT website.

46
Queenslie – Cranhill – Greenfield – Rutherglen – Castlemilk
Passengers may expect disruption to this service from Friday 19th November
Kevin's Coaches

Bus Timetables | SPT | Strathclyde Partnership for Transport​

SPT subsidises local bus services in areas not served by commercial bus operators. Timetables for these services are provided below. For commercial services visit the operators' website, use the timetable finder below or call Traveline Scotland on 0871 200 2233.

www.spt.co.uk

Any observations welcome...

JMB travel were operating this on Kevin’s behalf over the weekend. Don’t know if this will be a permanent move or not but due to driver shortage Kevins had to prioritise school contracts over this service.

 

[Glasgowbusguy]

I was told by a First driver that the 46 might be going back to First in the longer term.

 

[sannox]

What action does SPT take if an operator pulls out of a tendered route?

 

[PaulMc7]

I was told by a First driver that the 46 might be going back to First in the longer term.

If SPT want anyone to use it at all that's needed to be honest. As soon as you put a small, fairly unknown operator in an area First dominate, it's hardly the most attractive thing to use.

 

[156478]

If SPT want anyone to use it at all that's needed to be honest. As soon as you put a small, fairly unknown operator in an area First dominate, it's hardly the most attractive thing to use.

This can also leave bus drivers in an awkward situation where someone has a FirstDay/week or Month ticket and has no other means of payment or, more realistically, simply won't pay again (in their eyes) to use the 46 bus.

What if someone doesn't know that the contract changed hands and has never heard of Kevins Coaches or JMB because any kind of publicity to indicate that contracts have changed hands is close to non-existent unless they read the SPT committee papers?

 

[PaulMc7]

This can also leave bus drivers in an awkward situation where someone has a FirstDay/week or Month ticket and has no other means of payment or, more realistically, simply won't pay again (in their eyes) to use the 46 bus.

What if someone doesn't know that the contract changed hands and has never heard of Kevins Coaches or JMB because any kind of publicity to indicate that contracts have changed hands is close to non-existent unless they read the SPT committee papers?

It even happens when contracts change between the biggest operators where people don't realise. Seen it a few times with the now 189/190 when First took over from McGill's. Safe to say people weren't happy.

 

[duffers2324]

Agreed there isn't a lot of awareness when they change apart from when operators may have their own service changes and then they might say that x,y and z SPT service that they run is being run by a different company and even at that they do not specify the company due to take it on.

In regards to fares, i have seen occasions where there is different fares even if it is the same company running the daytime and tendered evening service but the only real way to find out and which i assume no one ever does is to check the fares table on the timetables.

The only tenders i can say i have seen or heard that are busy are the:
128: Stobhill-City Centre- this can be hit and miss but generally during the day it can get a good load
205: Torr Farm-Hairmyers hospital-heard this can be busy and at one point maybe needed a bigger bus but couldn't because of the tight route
59: City Centre-Mosspark-Again seen it have good loads coming into town etc maybe not so much going back out but again looks a bit hit and miss

Could be very off here in the overall picture but these are just my own observations.

 

[PaulMc7]

Agreed there isn't a lot of awareness when they change apart from when operators may have their own service changes and then they might say that x,y and z SPT service that they run is being run by a different company and even at that they do not specify the company due to take it on.

In regards to fares, i have seen occasions where there is different fares even if it is the same company running the daytime and tendered evening service but the only real way to find out and which i assume no one ever does is to check the fares table on the timetables.

The only tenders i can say i have seen or heard that are busy are the:
128: Stobhill-City Centre- this can be hit and miss but generally during the day it can get a good load
205: Torr Farm-Hairmyers hospital-heard this can be busy and at one point maybe needed a bigger bus but couldn't because of the tight route
59: City Centre-Mosspark-Again seen it have good loads coming into town etc maybe not so much going back out but again looks a bit hit and miss

Could be very off here in the overall picture but these are just my own observations.

From what I've seen of the 3 of them you're pretty spot on. 59 out of town can be really busy too to be fair at times.

 

[route101]

Agreed there isn't a lot of awareness when they change apart from when operators may have their own service changes and then they might say that x,y and z SPT service that they run is being run by a different company and even at that they do not specify the company due to take it on.

In regards to fares, i have seen occasions where there is different fares even if it is the same company running the daytime and tendered evening service but the only real way to find out and which i assume no one ever does is to check the fares table on the timetables.

The only tenders i can say i have seen or heard that are busy are the:
128: Stobhill-City Centre- this can be hit and miss but generally during the day it can get a good load
205: Torr Farm-Hairmyers hospital-heard this can be busy and at one point maybe needed a bigger bus but couldn't because of the tight route
59: City Centre-Mosspark-Again seen it have good loads coming into town etc maybe not so much going back out but again looks a bit hit and miss

Could be very off here in the overall picture but these are just my own observations.

The 205 varies between SPT solos and First E200s. It was handy for me to get to Hamilton from my bit of East Kilbride but was hourly.

If SPT want anyone to use it at all that's needed to be honest. As soon as you put a small, fairly unknown operator in an area First dominate, it's hardly the most attractive thing to use.

Yes, that's why I wouldn't use the non First tendered services. And is a Zone 1 McGills day ticket ok to use on McGills tenders?

 

[PaulMc7]

The 205 varies between SPT solos and First E200s. It was handy for me to get to Hamilton from my bit of East Kilbride but was hourly.


Yes, that's why I wouldn't use the non First tendered services. And is a Zone 1 McGills day ticket ok to use on McGills tenders?

The 395 is a zone 8 ticket even for Barrhead and Neilston despite them being zone 1 for every other bus in the areas. Was an expensive day when I realised you need the all zone ticket to use their tendered services and normal commercial routes. Ended up having to get 2 separate all day tickets due to the mistake.

 

[route101]

The 395 is a zone 8 ticket even for Barrhead and Neilston despite them being zone 1 for every other bus in the areas. Was an expensive day when I realised you need the all zone ticket to use their tendered services and normal commercial routes. Ended up having to get 2 separate all day tickets due to the mistake.

I see, I recall using a Daytripper on SPT tender operated by McGills!

 

[gnolife]

The 395 is a zone 8 ticket even for Barrhead and Neilston despite them being zone 1 for every other bus in the areas. Was an expensive day when I realised you need the all zone ticket to use their tendered services and normal commercial routes. Ended up having to get 2 separate all day tickets due to the mistake.

The 395 has always taken my zone 1 tickets (I do Barrhead to Newton Mearns about once a fortnight)

 

[PaulMc7]

The 395 has always taken my zone 1 tickets (I do Barrhead to Newton Mearns about once a fortnight)

I've only ever used it twice but both times I asked for one and couldn't get one strangely.

 

[Stan Drews]

The 395 is a zone 8 ticket even for Barrhead and Neilston despite them being zone 1 for every other bus in the areas. Was an expensive day when I realised you need the all zone ticket to use their tendered services and normal commercial routes. Ended up having to get 2 separate all day tickets due to the mistake.

Zone 1 is valid between Barrhead and Uplawmoor on the 395.
Zone 8 is valid throughout the whole route.

 

[PaulMc7]

Zone 1 is valid between Barrhead and Uplawmoor on the 395.
Zone 8 is valid throughout the whole route.

I wish the driver I got knew that. All I was doing before was going from Neilston to Barrhead.

 

[adrock1976]

Something I had noticed is that the Saturdays Only 335 (PVT Transfer) that does the Cumbernauld - Village - Carrickstone - Craigmarloch - Eastfield - Craiglinn - Cumbernauld circular has been withdrawn now Dunns Coaches have reinstated both the 35 and the 49 that runs to Abronhill (Dunns pulled all Saturday services at the end of March 2020) on Saturday 11 December 2021.

However, this is not at the pre March 2020 frequency of every 30 minutes (and recently PVT Transfer ran a 30 minute frequency) as it runs every 60 minutes for each route. The 34 which is the circular service in the opposite direction was reinstated in November 2020 running every 30 minutes on Mondays - Fridays only.

 

[GusB]

(PVT Transfer)

Explain, please!

 

[PaulMc7]

Explain, please!

It's the operator name.

 

[Glasgowbusguy]

Agreed there isn't a lot of awareness when they change apart from when operators may have their own service changes and then they might say that x,y and z SPT service that they run is being run by a different company and even at that they do not specify the company due to take it on.

In regards to fares, i have seen occasions where there is different fares even if it is the same company running the daytime and tendered evening service but the only real way to find out and which i assume no one ever does is to check the fares table on the timetables.

The only tenders i can say i have seen or heard that are busy are the:
128: Stobhill-City Centre- this can be hit and miss but generally during the day it can get a good load
205: Torr Farm-Hairmyers hospital-heard this can be busy and at one point maybe needed a bigger bus but couldn't because of the tight route
59: City Centre-Mosspark-Again seen it have good loads coming into town etc maybe not so much going back out but again looks a bit hit and miss

Could be very off here in the overall picture but these are just my own observations.

The 94 can be fairly busy to Maryhill - wyndford - annisland - knightswood

 

[adrock1976]

Explain, please!

It's the operator name.

PVT Transfer is a legit company, registered in Bath Street, Glasgow.

Although they have one or two SPT tenders, it seems (according to their website) most of their income stream is from chauffeur work.