Stagecoach Bristol

[diffywood]

saw 37320 on the 77 this morning

 

[g4mby]

saw 37320 on the 77 this morning

http://www.uk-buses.co.uk/stagecoach/ reports that this vehicle has now returned to Gloucester depot in exchange for 37008.

So the North Bristol allocation now appears to be:

36382 36383 36384 36385
37006 37007 37008 37009 37010 37011 37012 37013
47555 47556 47557 47558

 

[freetoview33]

Thought I'd bump this back up with the news Stagecoach are taking on 3A/3B/3C/3X/11/11A/508/513/514/515/625. Which will now make them the second biggest operator in Bristol.

 

[-Colly405-]

Thoughts on merging this thread into the Stagecoach West/South West/South Wales one? Anyone?

 

[carlberry]

Thoughts on merging this thread into the Stagecoach West/South West/South Wales one? Anyone?

It's a more logical place for it.

 

[freetoview33]

It's such a big area to cover. The First South West and Wales thread has become Bristol centric with other threads for South West/Cornwall and Wales!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

It's such a big area to cover. The First South West and Wales thread has become Bristol centric with other threads for South West/Cornwall and Wales!

There isn’t a separate First Cymru thread, is there? Only First Kernow has been split out.

Given how Bristol is a relatively small part of Stagecoach SW/West/Wales, is does make sense to amalgamate IMO.

 

[-Colly405-]

Given how Bristol is a relatively small part of Stagecoach SW/West/Wales, is does make sense to amalgamate IMO.

45 vehicles is the (new) authorisation at Patchway. Much, much less than LH/MH/HE/WS/WM and BH

 

[freetoview33]

Maybe not Wales but we had one just for the Wells depot!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Maybe not Wales but we had one just for the Wells depot!

Two wrongs and all that

 

[Anthony ross]

One presumes there must be enough room at the depot to run these new services come September

 

[freetoview33]

One presumes there must be enough room at the depot to run these new services come September

There is plenty of room and Stagecoach have increased the authorisation at the depot in Patchway/Bristol.

Gloucester - Decrease to 72
Stroud - Decrease to 40
Cheltenham - Increase to 75
Swindon - Decrease to 75
Coleford - Decrease to 8
Bristol - Increase to 45 - This is on top of the Megabus work and few services that SGBC run too.

 

[Charlie M.]

What buses will operate these routes then? Not more “let’s send out Gloucester and Cheltenham’s decent buses” please?

 

[freetoview33]

What buses will operate these routes then? Not more “let’s send out Gloucester and Cheltenham’s decent buses” please?

Initially it is meant to be some E200's from Rotala. Which is more than enough for some of the routes. Some extras will be needed though.

 

[robertclark125]

I'm guessing Patchway is no longer an outstation of another depot, but a full depot in its own right now?

 

[carlberry]

Initially it is meant to be some E200's from Rotala. Which is more than enough for some of the routes. Some extras will be needed though.

They're getting some E200 from Rotala, however it's quite possible that they wont put them into use straight away. Patchway did get a very good allocation from Gloucester to start with so they might want to keep the standard up.

 

[carlberry]

I'm guessing Patchway is no longer an outstation of another depot, but a full depot in its own right now?

It's had a fairly fixed allocation since it started.

 

[DaveHarries]

Thought I'd bump this back up with the news Stagecoach are taking on 3A/3B/3C/3X/11/11A/508/513/514/515/625. Which will now make them the second biggest operator in Bristol.

Interesting but not surprising. No sign of anything in the VOSA Bus Registration search for 19th July except cancellation of the Wessex routes but I have read the staff notice in the other thread. I would have thought Optare Solos for the 513-515 (and maybe the 508 which seems to have very few passengers on whenever I see one) and Enviros for the other routes. Good to see the Wessex drivers will not be left without a job too.

Dave

 

[tbtc]

So over the years, Stagecoach have built up a presence in Bristol, Liverpool, Sheffield, Oxford etc without buying the legacy/NBC operation.

For a while, they had reasonable network in Glasgow too (without having bought Strathclyde/ Kelvin Scottish/ Central Scottish).

 

[carlberry]

So over the years, Stagecoach have built up a presence in Bristol, Liverpool, Sheffield, Oxford etc without buying the legacy/NBC operation.

For a while, they had reasonable network in Glasgow too (without having bought Strathclyde/ Kelvin Scottish/ Central Scottish).

There are lots of areas where Stagecoach wasn't the first purchaser of the operation that it now has. Liverpool was a purchase of part of what used to be the PTE, I thought that the Sheffield operation was an ex NBC operation via it's management team and Oxford was ex NBC via Harry.

 

[RT4038]

There are lots of areas where Stagecoach wasn't the first purchaser of the operation that it now has. Liverpool was a purchase of part of what used to be the PTE, I thought that the Sheffield operation was an ex NBC operation via it's management team and Oxford was ex NBC via Harry.

Oxford city was via Harry as a start up competitive operation, not ex NBC. The 'country' operations - Witney/Bicester/Wantage were ex NBC. The ex NBC Oxford city operation is the Go-Ahead City of Oxford Motor Services.

 

[Robertj21a]

Interesting but not surprising. No sign of anything in the VOSA Bus Registration search for 19th July except cancellation of the Wessex routes but I have read the staff notice in the other thread. I would have thought Optare Solos for the 513-515 (and maybe the 508 which seems to have very few passengers on whenever I see one) and Enviros for the other routes. Good to see the Wessex drivers will not be left without a job too.

Dave

I guess that, like much of the country, there's usually a shortage of drivers anyway ?

 

[freetoview33]

I guess that, like much of the country, there's usually a shortage of drivers anyway ?

It looks like Stagecoach should be fine for drivers in Bristol. There are no jobs advertised at the moment which would suggest they are fully staffed. And Wessex seem to be okay with drivers and with the few routes being axed there should be plenty of drivers to transfer over.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

There are lots of areas where Stagecoach wasn't the first purchaser of the operation that it now has. Liverpool was a purchase of part of what used to be the PTE, I thought that the Sheffield operation was an ex NBC operation via it's management team and Oxford was ex NBC via Harry.

As RT4038 states, the Stagecoach Oxfordshire ops (excl Banbury) have their heritage from two sources:

Oxford Tube and city work (Thames Transit) was a new start up courtesy of Harry. Once done, they (Transit Holdings) bought into South Midland, the former NBC ops at C Norton, Wantage, Bicester and Witney running into the city. The NBC Oxford firm (COMS) is now Oxford Bus Co.

In Sheffield, Stagecoach bought YT Group whose Yorkshire Traction ops were ex NBC and had a Barnsley powerbase plus depots in that area and bounded by Rotherham, Wakefield and Doncaster but not Sheffield. Stagecoach Sheffield is essentially an amalgam of three independents that ended up as one YT firm comprising Andrews, Sheffield Omnibus and Yorkshire Terrier - the exact histories are a little more complex!!

Liverpool was MPTE’s Gilmoss depot that had passed to MTL Holdings who then bailed, selling out to Arriva. The MMC, seeing Arriva with the former Ribble/NW Merseyside ops, demanded divestment of a depot so it was disposed of to Glenvale who, with various protective covenants in place, competed with Arriva using elderly ex London stuff. When the covenants expired, this strategy was exposed as Arriva competed, prompting the sale of Gilmoss to Stagecoach!

 

[Wirewiper]

Just to clarify (as I can't see if it has been mentioned already:

Rotala is closing its Wessex Bus operation is closing after 1st September 2018, citing a reduction in business opportunities. Most Wessex Bus routes* will be taken over by Stagecoach's Bristol operation, and all Wessex Bus drivers and engineering staff will transfer to Stagecoach under TUPE regulations.

* routes 12, 42 and 51 have been deregistered and will not be operated by Stagecoach.

 

[DaveHarries]

Just to clarify (as I can't see if it has been mentioned already:

Rotala is closing its Wessex Bus operation is closing after 1st September 2018, citing a reduction in business opportunities. Most Wessex Bus routes will be taken over by Stagecoach's Bristol operation, and all Wessex Bus drivers and engineering staff will transfer to Stagecoach under TUPE regulations.

The Bristol Post, that bastion of (....) journalism, reported that only 60 staff would transfer so some job losses were likely.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/wessex-bus-close-services-42-1806005

Routes 12, 42 and 51 have been deregistered and will not be operated by Stagecoach.

Indeed so. However First Bristol have decided to give the 51 another go but in a different guise: Traveline has a timetable for a Service 2A to commence 02-Sep-2018.

Dave

 

[freetoview33]

The Bristol Post, that bastion of (....) journalism, reported that only 60 staff would transfer so some job losses were likely.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/wessex-bus-close-services-42-1806005


Indeed so. However First Bristol have decided to give the 51 another go but in a different guise: Traveline has a timetable for a Service 2A to commence 02-Sep-2018.

Dave

The "Journalist" who wrote the article is fully aware of that! I made sure of it ha.

 

[freetoview33]

A few more minor changes the Sunday 625/628 service Cribbs to Severn Beach is being increased from 3 to 4 trips in each direction.
And the 411 Severn Beach to Castle School service has been taken over from South Gloucestershire Bus and Coach. But on a slightly cut down route. Might be interworking with another service.
Few minor changes to the 84/85 meaning an earlier first trip from Yate on the 84. Minor timing changes to the 86.
And A reintroduction of the 432 school service to Wellsway School in Keynsham that was dropped by SGBC

 

[carlberry]

A few more minor changes the Sunday 625/628 service Cribbs to Severn Beach is being increased from 3 to 4 trips in each direction.
And the 411 Severn Beach to Castle School service has been taken over from South Gloucestershire Bus and Coach. But on a slightly cut down route. Might be interworking with another service.

Steeling work from your landlords - naughty! (Or it might be a deliberate direction).

 

[freetoview33]

Steeling work from your landlords - naughty! (Or it might be a deliberate direction).

To me it looks like it is deliberate. We might hear something about the 922 and 462 as they are the only SGBC registered services left.