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The Hertfordshire bus changes page is normally reliable and useful, but I note that this one says the frequency of the 9A/9B is increasing- actually it is reducing- and the 31 is being withdrawn- which it isn’t (just one journey cut).

I'm guessing the possible explanation for why they are saying that the 9A/B are increasing in frequency rather than reducing is they're only considering the two new additional services from Bedford to Hitchin at 5:00am (9A) and 5:30am (9B), which are the current dead-mileage runs for the first buses from Hitchin being moved into passenger service instead, and ignoring the reduction in frequency to one bus per hour off-peak alternating between the A and B.
 
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The 9a/9b is increasing, it is currently every 2 hours each route to Hitchin and will now run hourly in the peaks on each route and as it is in the off peaks timetable is currently on the intalink and stagecoach websites.
 

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The 9a/9b is increasing, it is currently every 2 hours each route to Hitchin and will now run hourly in the peaks on each route and as it is in the off peaks timetable is currently on the intalink and stagecoach websites.
The 9A/9B is currently hourly on each route to Hitchin - 30 minutes combined - and will be reduced to 2 hourly on each route between the peaks.
 

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Service 26 timetable is up on the centrebus website;

That's not bad - 6 journeys each way.

Just looked at Bedford area cancellations for tomorrow - absolutely shocking!
No am peak service into Cambridge - 3 in a row cancelled; no pm peak service out of Oxford - 4 in a row cancelled!
Last week when I was out this was not published.
No wonder people are leaving the buses in droves....

Cancelled Services

Service NoTimeFrom LocationTo Location
106:00BedfordKempston
106:15KempstonBedford
107:00BedfordKempston
107:15KempstonBedford
108:00BedfordKempston
108:15KempstonBedford
109:00BedfordKempston
109:15KempstonBedford
110:00BedfordKempston
110:15KempstonBedford
112:00BedfordKempston
112:15KempstonBedford
308:15BedfordFenlake
308:30FenlakeBedford
312:15BedfordFenlake
312:30FenlakeBedford
407:00Goldington TescoBedford
408:55BedfordGoldington Tesco
410:00Goldington TescoBedford
411:25BedfordGoldington Tesco
411:55BedfordGoldington Tesco
412:55BedfordGoldington Tesco
413:30Goldington TescoBedford
511:58BedfordElms Farm
512:18BedfordGoldington Tesco
512:24Elms FarmBedford
512:38BedfordElms Farm
512:44Goldington TescoBedford
513:04Elms FarmBedford
513:58BedfordElms Farm
514:24Elms FarmBedford
613:00BedfordBrickhill
613:13BrickhillBedford
613:40BedfordBrickhill
613:53BrickhillBedford
707:25BedfordWoodside
707:48WoodsideBedford
710:25BedfordWoodside
710:48WoodsideBedford
1006:12Goldington TescoBedford
1006:40BedfordGoldington Tesco
1009:12Goldington TescoBedford
1009:40BedfordGoldington Tesco
1011:42Goldington TescoBedford
1012:12Goldington TescoBedford
1013:10BedfordGoldington Tesco
1013:12Goldington TescoBedford
5110:32BedfordClapham
5110:51ClaphamBedford
5112:32BedfordOakley
5112:51ClaphamBedford
5306:40BedfordWootton
5307:20WoottonBedford
5308:10BedfordWootton
5308:50WoottonBedford
5309:40BedfordWootton
5310:20WoottonBedford
5317:40BedfordWootton
5318:23WoottonBedford
5319:10BedfordWootton
5319:49WoottonBedford
7212:45BedfordBiggleswade
7314:07BiggleswadeBedford
8115:15BedfordLuton
8116:20LutonBedford
90505:57CambourneBedford
90506:54BedfordCambridge
90507:13BedfordCambridge
90507:43BedfordCambridge
90508:30CambridgeBedford
90509:00CambridgeBedford
90509:30CambridgeBedford
90510:43BedfordCambridge
90511:43BedfordCambridge
90512:13BedfordCambridge
90512:30CambridgeBedford
90513:30CambridgeBedford
90515:15BedfordCambridge
90517:00CambridgeBedford
90514;00CambridgeBedford
9A09:00BedfordHitchin
9A14:00BedfordHitchin
9B10:33HitchinBedford
9B15:33HitchinBedford
X505:55BedfordOxford
X507:25BedfordOxford
X507:55BedfordOxford
X508:20OxfordBedford
X508:55BedfordOxford
X509:50OxfordBedford
X510:20OxfordBedford
X510:55BedfordOxford
X511:20OxfordBedford
X511:55BedfordOxford
X513:20OxfordBedford
X514:20OxfordBedford
X514:25BedfordOxford
X514:55BedfordOxford
X515:25BedfordOxford
X515:55BedfordOxford
X516:50OxfordBedford
X517:20OxfordBedford
X517:50OxfordBedford
X518:20OxfordBedford
 

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Another shocker of a day today - Newmarket has barely any service all day, and they seem to have all but given up on the Fens in advance of the timetable change next week. If/when franchising is introduced in Cambridge, I hope that the GCP remembers the damage that Stagecoach has done to the communities they claim to serve!


ServiceTimeShould Have Departed From
3008:20Huntingdon Bus Station
3008:47RAF Wyton
3510:23Huntingdon Bus Station
3511:22Chatteris
3516:22Chatteris
6606:45Eaton Ford
6609:20Huntingdon Bus Station
6610:20St Neots
6612:20Huntingdon Bus Station
6613:20St Neots
6613:20Huntingdon Bus Station
6614:20St Neots
6615:23Huntingdon Bus Station
6617:30Huntingdon Bus Station
6619:20Huntingdon Bus Station
90405:30Morrisons
90406:00Huntingdon Bus Station
90407:20Peterborough
90408:31Huntingdon Bus Station
A10:34St Ives P/R
A11:55Trumpington
B05:36Hinchingbrooke Hospital
B07:15Drummer Street
B08:56Hinchingbrooke Hospital
B10:11St Ives Bus station
B11:16Hinchingbrooke Hospital
B12:55Drummer Street
117:50Drummer Street
118:50Drummer Street
119:05Bury
119:50Drummer Street
1110:05Bury
127:50Drummer Street
128:25Drummer Street
128:51Ely
129:25Drummer Street
129:51Ely
1210:25Drummer Street
1210:51Ely
1211:25Drummer Street
1211:51Ely
1212:51Ely
1213:25Drummer Street
1213:51Ely
1214:25Drummer Street
1214:25Drummer Street
1214:51Ely
1215:25Drummer Street
1215:51Ely
1216:51Ely
189:45Drummer Street
1810:41Gt Cambourne
1814:45Drummer Street
1815:41Gt Cambourne
9157:09Royston
9158:55Drummer Street
91510:09Royston
91510:55Drummer Street
91512:09Royston
91512:55Drummer Street
91514:09Royston
91515:09Royston
91515:15Drummer Street
91516:15Drummer Street
91516:45Royston
91517:15Drummer Street
91517:45Royston
 

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That's terrible! I see on the 12 that the 8.25 and 9.25 from Cambridge have operated - but no departures from Ely since 06.46 and this would suggest none will operate until 18.05! It was nothing like this bad yesterday.
When I was there last Tuesday it didn't seem anything like this bad. A handful of cancellations noted at the bus station but nothing on this scale. And fewer school commitments this week - are all the drivers on holiday?
 

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Call me a cynic, but I wonder if it is co-incidence that this week is half term and drivers are calling in sick? Did I read that the Transport Commissioner somewhere in the southeast has called in Stagecoach for failing to run advertised services? Perhaps they should do so in Bedford though I suspect the answer is not so much the heavy stick but getting operators and local authorities together to come up with a sustainable network. Stagecoach deserve some sympathy but I do wonder if they could and should do more?
 

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Call me a cynic, but I wonder if it is co-incidence that this week is half term and drivers are calling in sick? Did I read that the Transport Commissioner somewhere in the southeast has called in Stagecoach for failing to run advertised services? Perhaps they should do so in Bedford though I suspect the answer is not so much the heavy stick but getting operators and local authorities together to come up with a sustainable network. Stagecoach deserve some sympathy but I do wonder if they could and should do more?
Stagecoach East as a company deserve no sympathy. It has been mismanaged for at least three years.
 

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Cambridge and Peterborough Combined Authority has announced the details of the operators and timetables for services withdrawn by Stagecoach East.


DETAILS RELEASED OF BUS OPERATORS AND TIMETABLES FOR WITHDRAWN STAGECOACH ROUTES FROM OCTOBER 30​

The names of bus operators and new timetables for the services withdrawn by Stagecoach East from October 30 can now be released.

On September 20, Stagecoach East announced they were pulling out of 18 bus services completely and reducing a further 5 significantly. The Combined Authority went out to urgent tender the following day with the aim of finding operators to continue as many of those services as possible. The outcomes of that tendering process have been approved by the Combined Authority Board and new contracts with bus operators will come into effect from October 30 to run until the end of March 2023.

Below is a table of services and the new bus operators.

The detailed new timetables for those services can be read via the following link: New timetables from October 30 2022. They may be different to the timetables operated by Stagecoach, including times and stops, so passengers are advised to check before they travel.

SERVICE

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Citi4 along St Neots Road and within Cambourne (Timetable unchanged)Stagecoach East
5A (Citi5 beyond Northstowe)Stagecoach East
8A March to Cottenham)Stephensons of Essex
9A Ely City ServiceStephensons of Essex
11 Newmarket to CambridgeStephensons of Essex
12 Newmarket to Ely (now 112)Stephensons of Essex
18 Cambridge to CambourneWhippet Coaches
22 St Ives Town CircularDews Coaches
23 Queensgate to Lynch WoodVectare
24 Queensgate to Lynch Wood (now 23A)Vectare
25 Trumpington to AddenbrookesStagecoach East
29 Hampton to Peterborough City HospitalDews Coaches
30 Ramsey to Huntingdon (now 305)Dews Coaches
33 March Town ServiceFACT
35 Chatteris to Huntingdon (now 305)Dews Coaches
39 Ely to Chatteris (now Zipper 2)Dews Coaches
39 (No cover yet between March and Chatteris)
66 St Neots to HuntingdonWhippet Coaches
915 Royston to Cambridge (now 26)Centrebus
V1 Ramsey to St IvesDews Coaches
V2 Chatteris to St IvesDews Coaches
V3 Somersham to St IvesDews Coaches
V4 Boxworth to St IvesA2B Travel
V5 Hinchingbrooke to Godmanchester ( now 66)Whippet Coaches
 

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Interesting to see the new operators and timetables. A handful of points of interest.

The Whippet 18 runs on from Cambourne to St Neots - replacing the 905 which connects them at the moment. I wonder if that was part of the tender.

Although the 39 says no cover between March and Chatteris - the V2 does run between these points (as well as to St Ives). I am surprised they have bothered to replace the V2 to St Ives, it just carried fresh air when I went on it.

Interesting combining the 30 and 35 to run a limited service with just the one vehicle. Generally it seems to run in a loop from Warboys, first to Ramsey then to Chatteris and back to Warboys. I wonder what route it takes between Ramsey and Chatteris (via Forty Foot) - this looks potentially new route.

Stagecoach's changes page has been updated too. It confirms the 4 continues unchanged, but their timetable for the 25 has the same departure times but different (and clearly wrong) arrival times (!) while the 5A is significantly different - Cambridgeshire shows half hourly departing at 00 and 30 while Stagecoach shows hourly departing at 35 (in both cases with gaps). The Stagecoach description says hourly off peak, Cambridgeshire says half hourly.

Good to see how much has been retained on the Stephensons services, 11 and 112 (was 12 between Newmarket and Ely). Not sure why there needs to be a 6.50 off Cambridge on the 11 when nothing arrives that early. Its a shame the document makes no reference at all to the 12, the fast route between Cambridge and Newmarket, which Stephensons are taking on commercially. They should be praised and publicised for doing this. Nor is there any mention about Newmarket to Bury St Edmunds, which - all in Suffolk - is basically lost unless you are prepared to take the scenic route via Mildenhall.

And it is all only until March - I suspect there will be some significant cuts then because I have no doubt this is not all necessary!
 

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Interesting to see the new operators and timetables. A handful of points of interest.

The Whippet 18 runs on from Cambourne to St Neots - replacing the 905 which connects them at the moment. I wonder if that was part of the tender.

Although the 39 says no cover between March and Chatteris - the V2 does run between these points (as well as to St Ives). I am surprised they have bothered to replace the V2 to St Ives, it just carried fresh air when I went on it.

Interesting combining the 30 and 35 to run a limited service with just the one vehicle. Generally it seems to run in a loop from Warboys, first to Ramsey then to Chatteris and back to Warboys. I wonder what route it takes between Ramsey and Chatteris (via Forty Foot) - this looks potentially new route.

Stagecoach's changes page has been updated too. It confirms the 4 continues unchanged, but their timetable for the 25 has the same departure times but different (and clearly wrong) arrival times (!) while the 5A is significantly different - Cambridgeshire shows half hourly departing at 00 and 30 while Stagecoach shows hourly departing at 35 (in both cases with gaps). The Stagecoach description says hourly off peak, Cambridgeshire says half hourly.

Good to see how much has been retained on the Stephensons services, 11 and 112 (was 12 between Newmarket and Ely). Not sure why there needs to be a 6.50 off Cambridge on the 11 when nothing arrives that early. Its a shame the document makes no reference at all to the 12, the fast route between Cambridge and Newmarket, which Stephensons are taking on commercially. They should be praised and publicised for doing this. Nor is there any mention about Newmarket to Bury St Edmunds, which - all in Suffolk - is basically lost unless you are prepared to take the scenic route via Mildenhall.

And it is all only until March - I suspect there will be some significant cuts then because I have no doubt this is not all necessary!
Indeed, it is very interesting. I guess you might be out with a multibus ticket to sample some of those whilst you can.

The V routes are intriguing and yes, my experience of the V2 was much the same as yours. Suspect greater cuts to come
 

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Good to see how much has been retained on the Stephensons services, 11 and 112 (was 12 between Newmarket and Ely).

The 112 looks decent, will be nice if that can keep going. Ely -> Newmarket will now have rather more daily buses than Stagecoach are going to bother to run between Ely and Cambridge on the 9!

Very good to see the '9A Ely City Service' too, even if it starts a little late (just before 9am) and finishes rather early (last trip starts before 4pm) - I guess that is going to be one driver in a minibus, with a half-hour gap for a lunch-break - getting a half-hourly 'outskirts' service back like we used to have with the 15 is very welcome, significantly better than the token 5-times-a-day trundle as an extension of the 9 that is as much as we've had for the last couple of years. Particularly useful at the moment, as both doctors surgeries in the city are currently located at the (far end of the) hospital site, which is remarkably out of the way if you live say in south-west Ely. Though it doesn't appear to go anywhere near the railway station, which may be a significant drawback.
 

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Let's hope the new operators will be able to find sufficient drivers for their new services, particularly at such short notice. I wonder if some have handed in their notice at Stagecoach, leading to the high level of cancellations this week.
 

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Let's hope the new operators will be able to find sufficient drivers for their new services, particularly at such short notice. I wonder if some have handed in their notice at Stagecoach, leading to the high level of cancellations this week.
Indeed - I do wonder how Whippet is going to manage given that they can barely resource their current scaled back service!
 

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Why haven't they sent one of two 5As' services anti-clockwise? That is just plain stupid.

For example, you can't get from Over to Swavesey directly (assuming they interwork with the main 5 to Cambridge)
 

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A handful of points to note:

The lists of cancellations above for yesterday are way in excess of what actually happened. There was never a gap of more than 2 hours on the 12, nor more than one hour on the 905 or X5, some of the cancelled journeys on the 915, 35 and 66 did run. Very odd - why would they post a list cancelling so many journeys then run them? Today there is another long list, this time lots of 11s (Cambridge to Bury) but some shown as cancelled on the 11, 905 and X5 are again running.

The Whippet Coaches extracts shown above for the 18 and 118 are significantly different from the Cambridgeshire timetables. Perhaps more realistic. Is there something going on here - is one what Cambridgeshire asked for and the other what the operator has decided it is reasonable to provide?

In Bedfordshire Stagecoach are showing a change of plan on the 9A/9B, the narrative says they are now both going to continue to run hourly between the peaks although the timetable does not, although both narrative and timetable say the 9B will run via Haynes Village.
 

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In an epic piece of marketing spin, Stagecoach are calling their new service timetable a "sustainable network"



New East Bus Network​

On Sunday 30th October 2022, we will be introducing a new, sustainable bus network to the communities of Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire and Peterborough to reflect post-pandemic travel patterns.

Bus use in the UK has only partially recovered since the pandemic. Local bus operators, including Stagecoach, have been working to re-base local bus networks to take account of changes in people’s travel habits, lower passenger numbers, rising costs and labour challenges. This will ensure we can provide a sustainable network that we hope can grow over the longer-term.

Latest Update 25th October 2022: We have secured new funding from the Cambridgeshire & Peterborough Combined Authority to help parts of Cambridgeshire bus network keep running for local communities.

The Citi 4 will maintain its current route and timetable between Cambourne and Cambridge via Caldecote and Hardwick turns
A new 5A route will be introduced to help rural connectivity between Longstanton, Swavesey, Willingham and Over.
Route 25 to operate between Babraham and Trumpington Park & Ride sites via the Cambridge Biomedical Campus
 
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Why haven't they sent one of two 5As' services anti-clockwise? That is just plain stupid.
Because a circular going one way around is much easier for passengers rather than people having to work out which side of the road to stand on for the bus. It's needlessly confusing doing things in that way.
 

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Why haven't they sent one of two 5As' services anti-clockwise? That is just plain stupid.

For example, you can't get from Over to Swavesey directly (assuming they interwork with the main 5 to Cambridge)
I wonder if the 0800 from Longstanton goes anti-clockwise, albeit one a day.

I remember the 553/554/555 services being developed by Blazefield 20+ years ago and their successors on the Busway look to be pretty much all that is left from the Huntingdon & District / Cavalier era with other operators picking up dropped routes. I think back then Huntingdon to Peterborough was still Stagecoach.
 

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Because a circular going one way around is much easier for passengers rather than people having to work out which side of the road to stand on for the bus. It's needlessly confusing doing things in that way.
It's a bit rubbish if you want to go from Swavesey to Willingham though (like at present). That isn't improving rural links...

I wonder if the 0800 from Longstanton goes anti-clockwise, albeit one a day.

I remember the 553/554/555 services being developed by Blazefield 20+ years ago and their successors on the Busway look to be pretty much all that is left from the Huntingdon & District / Cavalier era with other operators picking up dropped routes. I think back then Huntingdon to Peterborough was still Stagecoach.
School flow to Swavesey Village College I believe
 

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It's a bit rubbish if you want to go from Swavesey to Willingham though (like at present). That isn't improving rural links...
You won't win whichever you do. Either improve rural links or make the bus network simpler for those who use the bus. Which do you go with? The circular isn't that big so staying on the bus and travelling 'through' shouldn't be an issue. If Stagecoach run it that way, if they run it interworked with the 5, they may as well not change anything.
 

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Looking at the 5A it is basically hourly with a journey time of just under 30 minutes.
The 5 is every 30 minutes.
Whether or not these two interwork, there is still a 30-minute gap for one bus at Long Stanton every hour for most of the day.

On a separate note, Citi 2 Milton - Addenbrookes Sunday timetable is one direction only.
 

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Looking at the 5A it is basically hourly with a journey time of just under 30 minutes.
The 5 is every 30 minutes.
Whether or not these two interwork, there is still a 30-minute gap for one bus at Long Stanton every hour for most of the day.

On a separate note, Citi 2 Milton - Addenbrookes Sunday timetable is one direction only.
Oh, hang on. The 5A is different too. The Combined Authority timetables list shows half hourly. Stagecoach website shows hourly. What a monumental mess up. The combined authority must know what timetables were agreed with operators and so why are they sending out timetables which are so different to that provided by the operators? People need to plan their life around these timetables.

I genuinely thought for a minute that the combined authority had done a good job on all of this. Clearly not.
 

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In an epic piece of marketing spin, Stagecoach are calling their new service timetable a "sustainable network"

A review to achieve a "sustainable network" - a term used by the Department for Transport - was compulsory for operators and local authorities when Bus Recovery Grant was extended in April.
 

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A review to achieve a "sustainable network" - a term used by the Department for Transport - was compulsory for operators and local authorities when Bus Recovery Grant was extended in April.

Of course "sustainable" in the economic sense rather than environmental.
 

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Stephensons will be running new 8A service March to Cottenham from 31 October. Will there be a requirement for the bus to wait for any delayed Stagecoach Citi8 arrival in Cottenham on the return run otherwise it would be pointless.
 

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Has it been confirmed or is it still rumours about any Stagecoach East outstations closing
 

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Now that the changes are up and running it is interesting to see what is going on and how far behind ‘official’ information, from which BusTimes is sourced, is.

Stagecoach all seems to be updated, as one would expect.

Grant Palmer have the 72/73 on their website and the times are on BusTimes but nothing is tracking on BusTimes.

Stephensons have all their new services on their website and a professional looking booklet for the Newmarket area. Only the 8A, 12, 12A and 112 timetables are on BusTimes, not the 9A or 11, nothing on any of the new routes tracks. Clearly the 12 is running though as the 16 tracks and at Newmarket the buses vanish while they go through to Cambridge on the 12. A few cancellations show on their website. The 8A is interesting, I don’t know where this will come from, the obvious 9A Ely city service finishes at 16.15 but the 8A isn’t required at Cottenham until 18.56.

Whippet Coaches all seems to be on their website and on BusTimes and all tracking. The timetables, as noted above, fall somewhat short of what Cambridgeshire said they would be. There is much convoluted interworking between the 18, 66 and X2/X3 at St Neots and Huntingdon so this has been pretty thoroughly integrated.

Dews Coaches have taken on several routes. All on their website but nothing on BusTimes and they don’t track. Note the V1 and V3 have been renumbered 301 and the V2 is the 302.

A2B Coaches, nothing on BusTimes or their website.

FACT - the March local service- nothing I can find anywhere.
 

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