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Bletchleyite
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It's fairly common for Stagecoach and other large companies to "chop and change" their subsidiary operating companies as they reorganise over time - for instance, the grand old "United Counties Omnibus Company Ltd" was sadly merged into "Cambus Ltd" and the legal lettering changed a few years ago.
Edit: Thanks @carlberry - I obviously have a bad memory and the latter is wrong!
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What has changed? DVSA still refer to Glenvale for the licences for Merseyside and Stagecoach North West for the Cumbria and Lancashire operations and the Ribble company is still shown as dormant at companies house.
markymark2000
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Basically someone decided that they wanted to waste a ton of money on a useless change which benefits no one.
In short, they are updating the legal companies house name and operators licences over to Ribble Motor Services rather than Glenvale Transport. No change for passengers, just legal name changes.
In short, they are updating the legal companies house name and operators licences over to Ribble Motor Services rather than Glenvale Transport. No change for passengers, just legal name changes.
The Stagecoach Merseyside thread is closed so I am mentioning this here: The Stagecoach 10A is being reduced from every 15 minutes to every 30 minutes as of this weekend. This route runs in conjunction with Arriva under the Quality Bus Partnership - Arriva continue to operate every 15 minutes so the service level will be 8-7-15- etc. Not every 10 minutes. And not like the Arriva 10, which runs alongside it much of the way is helpful - this runs every 20 minutes. This is a really principal bus corridor - very poor. Stagecoach appears to have been badly affected by driver shortages in the area, Wirral in particular has had heavy cutbacks.
markymark2000
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That's because Stagecoach management in the area is dismal so people dont want to work there, better to work at competitors.
Chester seems to be the only MCSL division not stupidly struggling. Yes they have some shortages occasionally but this seems to be no spare drivers or lack of spares rather then duties being uncovered from the start.
Rock Ferry and Preston have had huge cuts and Gillmoss/Liverpool depot has issues but doesn't report them on social media as much. They are struggling too though
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In the North West - mods please feel free to move - there are significant reductions in services from 20 June, mainly in Carlisle, advised on the Cumbria website. Nothing yet on Stagecoach's site.
Includes the 104 to Penrith reduced to hourly and diverted further off the main road in Carlisle, looks like only one bus on the route from the Penrith end, 93 to Bowness on Solway withdrawn and changes to many of the city services.
Sorry - one got missed - M1 withdrawn as well.
Includes the 104 to Penrith reduced to hourly and diverted further off the main road in Carlisle, looks like only one bus on the route from the Penrith end, 93 to Bowness on Solway withdrawn and changes to many of the city services.
| 20th | 53 | Northside - Workington. | Service withdrawn | Stagecoach | |
| " | 60 | Carleton - Carlisle - Sandsfield Park | Service withdrawn. Replaced by Service 104 : Carleton - City Centre New Service 63 : Sandsfield Park - City Centre | Stagecoach | New 104 timetable |
| " | 61 | Harraby East - Carlisle - Morton Park | City Centre to :- Harraby : route unchanged by reduced frequency Morton West : no longer served - now part of new Service 63 Morton Park : Revised route (no longer serves Newlaites Avenue and instead runs via Levens Drive). Frequency increased (every 15 to 10 minutes) to replace lost service 62 journeys | Stagecoach | New 61 timetable |
| " | 62 | Lowry Hill - Carlisle - Denton Holme | Frequency reduced (15 to 20 minutes) No longer runs to Crindledyke and Kingmoor Route reduced in Morton Park Now runs via St Ann's (so no longer serves much of Scotland Road) Route reversed in Lowry Hill runs clockwise | Stagecoach | New 62 timetable |
| " | 62A | Kingmoor Park - Carlisle - Morton Park | Retained - rerouted in Morton Park | New 62 timetable | |
| " | 63 | Durranhill - Botcherby - St Aidens - Carlisle - Infirmary - Raffles - Morton West - Sandsfield Park | New service Replaces :- 76 from Durranhill 60 from Sandsfield Park 61 from Morton West (runs anticlockwise) | Stagecoach | New 63 timetable |
| " | 64 | Carlisle - Brampton Road - Houghton - Houghton Hall - Kingstown Asda | New service Replaces most 179 trips | Stagecoach | New 64 timetable |
| " | 67 | Belle Vue - Infirmary - Carlisle - Upperby | Frequency reduced Route unchanged | Stagecoach | New 67 timetable |
| " | 76 | Durranhill - Carlisle - St Ann's | Route withdrawn From Durranhill replaced by new Service 63 From St Ann's replaced by diversion of Service 62 (no longer serves most of Briar Bank) | Stagecoach | New 62 timetable New 63 timetable |
| " | 79 | Carlisle - Kingstown - Longtown - Gretna - Annan - Dumfries | Frequency doubled to half hourly to replace 62 to Kingstown Asda and 179 to Longtown. Some journeys now runs via Lovers Lane in Longtown to replace 79 | Stagecoach | New 79 timetable |
| " | 93 / 93A | Bowness-on-Solway / Anthorn - Carlisle | Service withdrawn | Stagecoach | |
| " | 104 | Center Parcs - Penrith - Plumpton - Low Hesket - Old Harraby - Carlisle | Route diverted via Cumwhinton (Lowther Arms) and Carleton Clinic to replace Service 60 Frequency via Old Harraby restored to half hourly | Stagecoach | New 104 timetable |
| " | 179 | Carlisle - Houghton - Longtown - Gretna - Annan | Most journeys withdrawn and replaced by new service 64 which no longer runs to Annan, but serves Kingstown M&S Food Hall and Asda. | Stagecoach | New 64 timetable New 79 timetable |
| " | 300 | Carlisle - Wigton - Maryport - Workington | 06:50 Monday to Friday Workington to Carlisle journey withdrawn | Stagecoach | |
| " | 400 | Carlisle - Wigton - Silloth | Timetable revised | Stagecoach | New 400 timetable |
| " | 400 | (Durdar -) Blackwell - Carlisle | Service withdrawn | Stagecoach | |
| " | 600 | Cockermouth - Wigton - Carlisle | Timetable revised | Stagecoach | New 600 timetable |
childwallblues
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With the closure of the Arriva depot at Winsford Stagecoach are taking over Route 84 between Chester and Crewe from 23rd April.
There is an ongoing discussion in this thread:
Cheshire Bus News (was East Cheshire Bus News)
Cheshire East Council have now decided to award a tender for the 38 Macclesfield - Crewe evening journeys which were due to be withdrawn in June, after D&G registering them commercially during the original tender process then decided not to proceed after all. Bakerbus will run the service at...
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childwallblues
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Local transfers have been 25220/21 SF08GOE/GOJ from Preston to Chester.
Transfers in from Stagecoach Manchester to Gillmoss are
Enviro 300 27826/27 MX62LTN/LTY, 27624/25 ST59JPT/RT59JPT
Enviro 200 37148/50 YX64VMO/VMR. 36781MX62LVR.
Information courtesy of Quack 77.
Transfers in from Stagecoach Manchester to Gillmoss are
Enviro 300 27826/27 MX62LTN/LTY, 27624/25 ST59JPT/RT59JPT
Enviro 200 37148/50 YX64VMO/VMR. 36781MX62LVR.
Information courtesy of Quack 77.
If 25220/1 are meant for the new 84 Chester Crewe service I can forsee standing room only on the first week of operation from 23rd April as Stagecoach are offering free travel for the first week.
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childwallblues
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Chester currently has seven double deckers on its books 10573-77 19168 19534 but I would think that more would be brought in before 23 April.
markymark2000
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19168 is City Sightseeing so we actually have 6 deckers.
Of them 6 though, 2 are needed for the 2/2A service (for Helsby High School) and 1 for Tarporley High School contract. I want to say 1 decker is needed for other reasons. That would still leave 1 decker for the 84 (That is keeping 1 as a spare). Hopefully the Nantwich short journeys which link up with the Tarporley High School contract will be the decker as well. That gives 2 deckers on the 84. Just 2 more to find but I think they could get away with using E300s.
childwallblues
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There is no shortage of double deckers within the group and with 23 new buses due at Preston this year there will be sufficient.
Old information I know, but Stagecoach have been sold and bought many times over the years. In London they were taken over by an Australian bank in the late 2000s, only to be bought back again. It makes little difference to the staff or passengers.
Most bus companies are taken over by someone else at some point. Didn’t Go- Ahead buy lots of smaller companies in the counties?
Regarding the closure of Arriva depots in Cheshire, I hope all the drivers get employment with Stagecoach.
Arriva have been losing a lot of money for many years now.
Most bus companies are taken over by someone else at some point. Didn’t Go- Ahead buy lots of smaller companies in the counties?
Regarding the closure of Arriva depots in Cheshire, I hope all the drivers get employment with Stagecoach.
Arriva have been losing a lot of money for many years now.
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Snow1964
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Stagecoach plc has announced 170 new Volvo MCV electric buses for Stockport, 150 double decks, 20 single decks
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Thought there were plans to replace the current Stockport garage?Stagecoach plc has announced 170 new Volvo MCV electric buses for Stockport, 150 double decks, 20 single decks
Welcome to Stagecoach
Welcome to the Stagecoach bus travel portal, where you can plan your bus journey, buy bus tickets, find bus timetables, view live bus times, receive bus service update notifications, as well as a wealth of frequently asked questions and contact information.
childwallblues
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ADL Enviro 200 36802/807 have been sold to Peoplesbus of Netherton, a local Merseyside operator.
How many additional vehicles will Chester need to operate Route 84 to Nantwich/Crewe?
Sorry it appears that 36802/807 are only on loan to Peoples bus.
How many additional vehicles will Chester need to operate Route 84 to Nantwich/Crewe?
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Stagecoach have won the tender for the W7 Winsford Circular. The route will operate Monday-Friday and launch on Monday 24th April, supported by subsidies
childwallblues
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Spreading their wings even further. I assume that service will be operated by Chester Depot.
Yes it will be - and fit between the school services currently operating in the Winsford area (think the services are Winsford-Tarporley High but not 100%)
markymark2000
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They have 1 Winsford to Tarporley High and a Tarvin - Tarporley High bus.
Saw an unidentified Stagecoch single decker on sun 16th April between Tarporley and Nantwich, presume driver route learning for the 84 service which starts next week
Timetable for new Winsford W7 route:
markymark2000
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Much better route and timetable than what went out to tender. Really glad someone saw sense with it.
Interesting that they're doing a £2 'day' ticket (more like a return on this route given the operating hours). Very cheap even by Stagecoach normal standards. I hope it goes well for them.
D&G are rerouting their 37 service to serve Wharton and their 31 service to serve Glebe Green. The Railway Station already is served by the 37. So the Council-supported Stagecoach W7 is aimed at serving the streets with no replacement service, hence serving a similar route to the X31 in North West Winsford. The Industrial Estate won't have a bus service but that is not the populated area which requires a service.
Winsford will now have its longer distance routes with 1 operator and local service with another - which may impact connections as will require two separate tickets for the first time in numerous years
markymark2000
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That was the original tender. West loop then Morrisons, Rail Station, Ind Est, Morrisons. No point in it doing it though as the industrial estate was only put on the 7s for driver changes and to make the route closer to an hour. The train station is served by the 37. The only half useful thing would have been Morrisons.
They've also borrowed a couple of Merc Sprinters for work in St Helens BV66 GSZ & GUF.