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33161, from Frenchwood, passed me on Garstang Road, Preston, heading North around 1625, so would figure. Pass where its going though, unless with the Clitheroe changes, Frenchwood are using there low capacity Darts, thus equaling 33143/71,2
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And with the 84 lowed in frequency, the Solos that were originally put on it and branded for the frequency increase to every 20 minutes are likely to be no longer needed. Potentially IF Solos do go from Frenchwood, a Solo surplus of 4 or 5.[/QUOTE]

33161 belongs to Carlisle.
And for West Cumbrian's I missed an allocation from today, 20910 on Sellafield Contract.
 
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33171 I suspect Andrew.

My thoughts on Preston's changes are: 33203/4 out as planned anyway.
the 2 ex-Preston Bus Solos out (perhaps explains why the 2 at Carlisle gained Cumberland legals - a bit of a mixup?)
3 Marshall Darts out.
 

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33171 I suspect Andrew.

My thoughts on Preston's changes are: 33203/4 out as planned anyway.
the 2 ex-Preston Bus Solos out (perhaps explains why the 2 at Carlisle gained Cumberland legals - a bit of a mixup?)
3 Marshall Darts out.

Aye typo sorry!
Seems to be a lot of vehicles carrying "on loan to ribble motor services" signs in their windows, at least one of the LTNs was carrying one before, as well as one of the 346** Darts, which seems a little odd.
 

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Aye typo sorry!
Seems to be a lot of vehicles carrying "on loan to ribble motor services" signs in their windows, at least one of the LTNs was carrying one before, as well as one of the 346** Darts, which seems a little odd.

Last time I saw them N-LTN's, some still had Busways legal lettering on.

What route was the 346xx Dart on? Came across a few images of Stagecoach buses on the 11 with On hire to Preston Bus Ltd in them.


As for the Preston changes in April, would it be worth the 3 Marshalls going? Especially as the Solo's are a bit small for the 11. Almost definitely 2 Solo's leaving from 5 and C25 going. 3 buses are coming off 84, but would be more logical to put 2 midi's onto the 11, instead of the Solo's that were transferred over from Preston Bus with the 2 Esteems.
 

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Seems odd that they'd carry "On loan to Ribble Motor Services" when they already have Ribble legals!

"On loan to Preston Bus" sounds more likely.
 

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33171 I suspect Andrew.

My thoughts on Preston's changes are: 33203/4 out as planned anyway.
the 2 ex-Preston Bus Solos out (perhaps explains why the 2 at Carlisle gained Cumberland legals - a bit of a mixup?)
3 Marshall Darts out.

Which marshall darts 33167, 33168 and 33169? If so they're from Lillyhall depot.
 

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I seen that too went too fast though.
The only bus that I know that used to do corrie was mercedes 709D Alexander sprint N660 VSS 40660.

The 709D had been off service for re-panel, repaint, and apparently its interior tarted up. Solo 47559 (MX08 GJJ) from Ashton was used on Corrie, showing Ashton town service 236 on the LED's. Dunno if it was being used the full time 40660 was off for tidying up, or just a one off.
 

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The 709D had been off service for re-panel, repaint, and apparently its interior tarted up. Solo 47559 (MX08 GJJ) from Ashton was used on Corrie, showing Ashton town service 236 on the LED's. Dunno if it was being used the full time 40660 was off for tidying up, or just a one off.

I wouldn't like to see 34079 after it has been for a few pints in Rovers Return lol.
 

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So, if CY need to replace all their step entrance school stuff by October its looks like Tridents are going to go in to replace Olys and MANs from ME to replace B10s? .IF, as rumoured KL are to get some MANs as M reg replacements they would need 4. CY would need 5 so ME would lose 9 MANs. Unless full size LF single deckers become free from other regions I think the MANs are the only thing that could replace the B10s at CY.

Just been having a very long debate with Cainebj and thought I'd open it to the floor as it were. Anybody have any thoughts?

16666 and 40033 sat at the underpass this morning.
 
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Calva Bridge is now open in Workington.
Now to wait for town services changing back :lol:
 

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Till the end of day Sunday 6th March, Seaton 47 will operate to the current timetable, but, will revert back to the original route via Calva Bridge and will not operate via Siddick.

From Monday, a revised timetable will operate. (i.e. PVR changes hopefully).

New timetable for 47

New timetable for 46/46A

Back to interworking :lol:

20910 and 34215 on Seaton.
34218 and 47061 on Harrington.
47007 Moorclose 50. 16331 done 1515 one. 47007 has been running 10 mins late.
47059 Moorclose 51.
16331 been on 48's. It came back over Calva Bridge on its way to Workington, even though it has always been timetabled to serve the railway station on both directions, and still is timetabled to serve the railway station :roll:
16649 running over 10 mins late on 30/31, with 22595 right behind it. 16184, 20962 and 35248 on 30/31 too.
16734 alive and kicking on 300's.
47005 been running around not in service, then went onto short 300.
 

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And so the axe begins to fall:


Cumbria County Council have announced which bus routes they'll stop subsidising because of government cuts.

Numbers 10, 60 and 511 out of Ulverston and the 541 and 550 out of Kendal are being completely withdrawn.

Meanwhile, certain diversions and late night and Sunday services are being axed.

Routes affected are the 552, 564 and 564a out of Kendal; the 571 between Crosby Garrett and Kirkby Stephen; and the 618 Ambleside to Barrow.

The changes come in from April 30th - full details below.

The council say they've put aside £1,500,000 pounds to keep running 83 other commercially unsustainable routes.

Cllr Tim Knowles, Cumbria County Council’s cabinet member for passenger transport, said:

"Given the scale of the spending cuts, we have to make some difficult decisions, but we've been fair, balanced and meticulous in making these decisions. In an ideal world, the council wouldn't have to subsidise any bus services and they'd all be so popular with passengers that they pay for themselves. But we're living in the real world and we can't carry on supporting a bus that is so under-used that it costs the public purse up to £15 per passenger every time the bus runs.

"The county council remains committed to providing community transport and to support schemes like the Rural Wheels initiative and voluntary car driver schemes. These provide a very valuable and flexible alternative to existing bus services."

SERVICES AFFECTED IN SOUTH CUMBRIA:

10: Barrow - Ulverston via Leece, Gleaston, Stainton, Little & Great Urswick
This service currently provides six journeys a day in both directions, Monday to Saturday. All journeys are being withdrawn.
The commercially provided Service 6 from Barrow to Ulverston via
Dalton and the Service 11 between Barrow and Ulverston via Baycliffe and Aldingham, will both continued to operate as normal.
Rural Wheels will take passengers to Barrow or Ulverston, whichever is nearest.
The contract costs £84,700 per annum with 73per cent of this being funded through a subsidy at a cost of £4.24 per passenger journey.

111: Burnbanks - Bampton - Askham - Penrith (Tuesday)
The service being withdrawn provides one trip to and from Penrith on a Tuesday from villages to the south of Penrith towards Haweswater.
The Saturday service on the route, also supported by the county council, is unaffected, and will continue to operate as normal.
Rural Wheels will take passengers to Penrith or to their nearest bus stop on other routes if more convenient.
The Voluntary Car Scheme also exists in a number of the areas served, and may be able to help with transport.
The contract costs £7,500 per annum with 80 per cent of this been funded through a subsidy at a cost of £5.82 per passenger journey.

511: Broughton in Furness - Ulverston including Service 60: Ulverston - Canal Head
This service provides three trips a day Monday to Saturday, between Broughton in Furness and Ulverston and additionally provides four trips a day to the Canal Head area of Ulverston. All journeys are being withdrawn.
Rural Wheels will take passengers to Ulverston.
The contract costs £53,300 per annum with 83 per cent of this being funded through a subsidy at a cost of £4.74 per passenger journey.

541: Bowness/Winster - Kendal via Underbarrow, Crosthwaite and Brigsteer
(Tuesday and Thursday only)

This service being withdrawn provides one return trip, twice a week to Kendal from a number of villages to the west of the town.
Rural Wheels will take passengers to Bowness or Kendal, whichever is the nearer for onward connections.
The contract costs £9,700 per annum with 78 per cent of this being funded through a subsidy at a cost of £7.83 per passenger journey.

550: Silverdale - Beetham - Kendal via Hincaster, Sedgwick and Natland
This service provides four trips a day from Beetham to Kendal Monday to Saturday with two trips extended to Silverdale. All journeys are being withdrawn.
The Service 555 provides an hourly service between Milnthorpe and Kendal.
Rural Wheels will take passengers to Milnthorpe or Kendal, whichever is the nearer, for onward connections.
The contract costs £78,400 per annum with 75 per cent of this being funded through a subsidy at a cost of £3.60 per passenger journey.

552: Levens - Kendal / Milnthorpe Diversion
This contract provides a diversion to serve Levens village, on the commercially provided Service 552, on four journeys Monday to Friday and five journeys on a Saturday.
The rest of the Service 552 will continue to operate as normal.
An hourly service is provided from Levens Bridge to Kendal and Milnthorpe by the Service 555.
Rural Wheels will take passengers to Milnthorpe or Kendal, or the nearest bus stop for onward connections.
The contract costs £17,300 per annum at a cost of £8.62 per passenger journey.

564: Kendal - Sedbergh (Monday - Friday 17:40)
The journey being withdrawn provides a single late afternoon trip to Sedbergh, which supplements the Service 564 which are both unchanged.
The last trip from Kendal to Sedbergh will become 4.25pm.
The contract costs £12,600 per annum with 90 per cent of this being funded through a subsidy at a cost of £9.41 per passenger journey.

564A: Cowgill - Dent - Sedbergh - Kendal (Saturdays)
This service being withdrawn provides a single return trip to Kendal on a Saturday for villages to the east of Sedbergh.
The Wednesday service, on the same route is not affected and will continue to operate as normal.
The Voluntary Car Scheme also exists in a number of the areas affected and may be able to help with transport.
The contract costs £10,000 per annum with 79 per cent of this being funded through a subsidy at a cost of £5.60 per passenger journey.

571: Crosby Garrett - Kirkby Stephen (Wednesday)
The service being withdrawn replaced the Upper Eden Plusbus in September 2010. It provides a single return journey from a number of villages to Kirkby Stephen on a Wednesday only. This followed a wide range of consultation to determine, a service to be provided on the most popular day. There has been considerable promotion locally of the service as the county council made it clear at the outset that good usage would be necessary to sustain the service.
The Service 563 provides a daily service along the A66 and A685 between Brough and Kirkby Stephen.
Rural Wheels will take passengers to Kirkby Stephen or a convenient bus stop as appropriate.
The Voluntary Car Scheme also exists in a number of the areas served, and may be able to help with transport.
The contract costs £4,900 per annum with 74 per cent of this being funded through a subsidy at a cost of £7.02 per passenger journey.

618: Barrow - Ulverston - Newby Bridge - Windermere - Ambleside
The journeys on this service which are being withdrawn are the late night service at 9:45pm from Barrow and return at 11pm from Ambleside, plus the whole of the Sunday service.
The early morning and daytime service on the route are unaffected by these changes and will continue as normal. A late evening and Sunday timetable is provided between Barrow and Newby Bridge by the Service X35 and Service 6. Services are provided in the evening between Bowness and Ambleside by the Service 555, and on Sundays by the 599 in Summer and 505/516 in Winter.

625: Appleby - Penrith via Brampton Long Marton, Dufton, Knock, Silverband (Tuesdays)
This service being withdrawn provides a single return route to Penrith on a Tuesday from a number of villages to north of the A66.
The Saturday service to Penrith, via the same route will continue to be provided as normal. The Friday service, from most of the villages on the route, to Appleby will also continue to operate unchanged.
Rural Wheels will take passengers to Appleby or Penrith whichever is nearer or to a convenient bus stop for onward connections.
In some areas the Voluntary Car Scheme also exists in a number of the areas served, and may be able to help with transport.
The contract costs £3,800 per annum with 76per cent of this being funded through a subsidy at a cost of £2.53 passenger journey.

Sourced from http://www.lakelandradio.co.uk/goto...1D1D58+E+C57+9+95F534A14155E55+9+158&id=23675
 
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STAGECOACH (NORTH WEST) LTD T/A CUMBERLAND MOTOR SERVICES, SECOND FLOOR, BROADACRE HOUSE, 16 - 20 LOWTHER STREET, CARLISLE, CA3 8DA
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Workington Bus Stn and Workington Bus Stn given service number 50B/50/51 effective from 04-Mar-2011. To amend Timetable.

STAGECOACH (NORTH WEST) LTD T/A CUMBERLAND MOTOR SERVICES, SECOND FLOOR, BROADACRE HOUSE, 16 - 20 LOWTHER STREET, CARLISLE, CA3 8DA
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Kendal and Cartmel given service number 530/531/735 effective from 01-Mar-2011. To amend Timetable.

STAGECOACH (NORTH WEST) LTD T/A CUMBERLAND MOTOR SERVICES, SECOND FLOOR, BROADACRE HOUSE, 16 - 20 LOWTHER STREET, CARLISLE, CA3 8DA
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Workington Bus Stn and Workington Bus Stn given service number 46B/46/46A effective from 04-Mar-2011. To amend Timetable.

STAGECOACH (NORTH WEST) LTD T/A CUMBERLAND MOTOR SERVICES, SECOND FLOOR, BROADACRE HOUSE, 16 - 20 LOWTHER STREET, CARLISLE, CA3 8DA
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Workington and Workington given service number 47 effective from 04-Mar-2011. To amend Timetable.
 

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Updated 50B timetable has also been released (returned to hourly instead of ever 1hr 10 mins)
... they've managed to miss off 51 on the 50/51 timetable though! :roll:

Workington Route Service map has yet to be updated, still showing 47 over temporary road bridge still.

Will hopefully see all Workington Town Services low-floor by Monday then... well, there's always hope :lol:
 
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Seems odd that they'd carry "On loan to Ribble Motor Services" when they already have Ribble legals!

"On loan to Preston Bus" sounds more likely.

Quite a few Stagecoach NW vehicles carried "On loan to Ribble Motor Services" notices in ether the front or side window recently. I don't appear to have captured any bus carrying this on camera and any bus that did carry it no longer does. I think it might have had something to do with both Stagecoach and Preston Bus operating vehicles in Stagecoach colours following the acquisition by Rotala. I know a number of Preston Bus vehicles, definitely ones in Stagecoach colours, carried "Preston Bus" notices in their front windows for a short time. People of Moor Nook would certainly have had trouble telling the difference in operators services when all the vehicles, on both Stagecoach route 9 and Preston Bus route 8, carried Stagecoach livery.

Frenchwood depot gaining a surplus of vehicles with changes to routes and services losses. Well maybe that might help them to sort out their bus to route allocations as its all just a mess at the moment. The ALX400s they gained from Chorley and then branded for the 68 are hardly ever on it, well not a full daily allocation anyway. Olys and B10Ms are still regular performers on the route.

I think routes 61 and 59 are long over due a change of bus allocation. Changing the 61 to low floor and the 59 to just one type of bus instead of the continual odd ball allocation it gets.

Will be interesting to see what changes take place at Chorley. It takes a great mind to keep up with peoples ideas of what’s to happen :)

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South Shields Enviros,

Fleet Number Reg Delivery Date
27723 NK11 BFJ 25/03/2011
27724 NK11 BFL 25/03/2011
27725 NK11 BFM 01/04/2011
27726 NK11 BFN 01/04/2011
27727 NK11 BFO 01/04/2011
27728 NK11 BFP 01/04/2011
27729 NK11 BFU 08/04/2011
27730 NK11 BFV 08/04/2011
27731 NK11 BFX 08/04/2011
27732 NK11 BFY 08/04/2011
27733 NK11 BFZ 15/04/2011
27734 NK11 BGE 15/04/2011
27735 NK11 BGF 15/04/2011
27736 NK11 BGO 15/04/2011
27737 NK11 BGU 22/04/2011
27738 NK11 BGV 22/04/2011
27739 NK11 BGX 22/04/2011
27740 NK11 BGY 22/04/2011

Enviros 200's will not be too long after this. There will be some interesting cascades from South Shields when they start to arrive.
 

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South Shields Enviros,

Fleet Number Reg Delivery Date
27723 NK11 BFJ 25/03/2011
27724 NK11 BFL 25/03/2011
27725 NK11 BFM 01/04/2011
27726 NK11 BFN 01/04/2011
27727 NK11 BFO 01/04/2011
27728 NK11 BFP 01/04/2011
27729 NK11 BFU 08/04/2011
27730 NK11 BFV 08/04/2011
27731 NK11 BFX 08/04/2011
27732 NK11 BFY 08/04/2011
27733 NK11 BFZ 15/04/2011
27734 NK11 BGE 15/04/2011
27735 NK11 BGF 15/04/2011
27736 NK11 BGO 15/04/2011
27737 NK11 BGU 22/04/2011
27738 NK11 BGV 22/04/2011
27739 NK11 BGX 22/04/2011
27740 NK11 BGY 22/04/2011

Enviros 200's will not be too long after this. There will be some interesting cascades from South Shields when they start to arrive.

Wonder if ME'S E300'S may arrive earlier now as ours are meant to be starting 27741
 

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33171 is now in store at Morecambe in transfer/sale rather than scrap corner. Possible onward transfer to Cumbria or to Lilyhall for further storage, although the last Dart to possibly be transferred to Cumbria from Frenchwood, aka 33143, ended up being rejected and sent back to who it came from and still carries 'in Cumbria' strap lines!
Some of the Preston bus Tridents, which should be noted haven't had a full repaint since new, are now carrying Rotalla fleet names.
 

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Just seen 22809 on the 755 with an LED display in it, front and rear certainly, didn't see the side

Great stuff. The old flip dot was faulty and has been for a little while so I don't know whether the LED was just replacing the old one out of necessity or whether they are going to replace all the flip dots in the MANs. Hope it has a side LED as well
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33171 is now in store at Morecambe in transfer/sale rather than scrap corner. Possible onward transfer to Cumbria or to Lilyhall for further storage, although the last Dart to possibly be transferred to Cumbria from Frenchwood, aka 33143, ended up being rejected and sent back to who it came from and still carries 'in Cumbria' strap lines!
Some of the Preston bus Tridents, which should be noted haven't had a full repaint since new, are now carrying Rotalla fleet names.

Wonder what state 33171 is in. I'm sure the Cumbrian's would love it lol!

33171 sat at ME http://gcbp.fotopic.net/p69274161.html

40011 sat at ME: http://gcbp.fotopic.net/p69274152.html Seems like it was down from KL to pick up some seats from 14193

14193 looking ready for service... http://gcbp.fotopic.net/p69274153.html

Follow on to see how it's been gutted.

Credit to Gregg Collins
 
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Revised timetable for Barrow service 1 – from 7th March 2011
Following experience of the revised timetable for service 1, introduced on 21st February, we will be making some further changes to restore reliability and ensure the timetable remains reliable going forward.

Buses will still operate to the same frequency, we are simply giving more time for the bus to complete each journey. As a result, there will be some minor changes to journey start/finish times, so please check the new timetable carefully.

At the same time, we will restore the link to Long Bank and Westminster Avenue on Walney. Customers can board or alight on these roads going to or from town.

New timetable and map is available to download. Revised timetable booklets will be out towards the middle of next week.

Please note that there will be NO CHANGES to the timetables of any other Stagecoach service in the area.
 
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