Status of Class 442 coaches

[TransportHub]

Does anyone know the current status of the coaches in blue?

Coaches in red are scrapped, green survive in some way (see note) and blue are unknown

 

[Versa274]

Does anyone know the current status of the coaches in blue?
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Coaches in red are scrapped, green survive in some way (see note) and blue are unknown

2421 is definitely scrapped i have a pic somewhere and will post it

Does anyone know the current status of the coaches in blue?
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Coaches in red are scrapped, green survive in some way (see note) and blue are unknown

 

[D6975]

According to my list only 9 vehicles remain intact, but I'm unsure of the accuracy of this info.

2401​	77382​
2405​		71822​		71846​
2412​	77393​	71829​		71853​	77417​
2424​		71841​		71865​

 

[Versa274]

According to my list only 9 vehicles remain intact, but I'm unsure of the accuracy of this info.

2401​	77382​
2405​		71822​		71846​
2412​	77393​	71829​		71853​	77417​
2424​		71841​		71865​

Where are these located now?
I believe there are no EE546 motors from ex REP left now?

 

[TransportHub]

2421 is definitely scrapped i have a pic somewhere and will post it

do you know if it was the whole of 421 that was scrapped or just one of the driving coaches

 

[JonathanH]

Where are these located now?
I believe there are no EE546 motors from ex REP left now?

Depends whether any went into class 73s?

 

[Defiance149]

Rest of 2401 is scrapped as is all of 2421.

71822/24/41/46/48/65 all at Eastleigh Works. As far as I know, 77388 is also still at Eastleigh as well.

62954 and 77400 at Wolverton.

 

[Invincible]

77388 is also still at Eastleigh as well.

On Facebook Northumbria railway have put a picture of 77388 looking good in Gatwick Express livery and coupled to a HST MK3 coach at Eastleigh.
Presumably when it gets to the Northumbria railway they will have some means of powering it on the non electrified track (batteries or a HST diesel loco?), rather than leave it as a static display?.

In a way sad it could not have been preserved in the South of England, but the Bluebell Railway, Swanage Railway and MHR at Alton are short of space and Swanage Railway is busy long term with its 4TC project. But maybe 77388 with its distinctive cab could visit Bluebell, Swanage or the MHR at Alton at a gala sometime, and travel there over the mainline again?.

 

[busestrains]

What a shame that so many have been scrapped. They should have at least preserved one full five carriage unit. These are a great piece of history so it is shame this did not happen.

 

[Class15]

What a shame that so many have been scrapped. They should have at least preserved one full five carriage unit. These are a great piece of history so it is shame this did not happen.

Completely agreed, it was also a waste to withdraw them from SWR in the first place.

 

[DelW]

What a shame that so many have been scrapped. They should have at least preserved one full five carriage unit. These are a great piece of history so it is shame this did not happen.

Who is "they"?
Museums don't have room for a 5 car EMU set.
Heritage lines don't have any use for an indivisible 5 car set needing electricity to power doors and air-con.
Most of their visitors aren't interested in trains that look similar to those running on the main line.
There are very few EMU sets that have been successfully preserved, and that have found a use and a home.

 

[zwk500]

What a shame that so many have been scrapped. They should have at least preserved one full five carriage unit.

Who's got 120m of available siding to do this, as well as a suitable track to run it up and down regularly to stop it rotting away? Preserve the driving carriage that led the Speed Record if you must, but a whole unit is a pain in the proverbial for nothing.

These are a great piece of history so it is shame this did not happen.

What people seem to forget is that history is specifically what is written about events, not what happened. The word actually means 'enquiry', so ask yourself what question preserving a 5-car unit helps future generations answer. An EMU isn't disappearing any time soon, and 110mph is bread and butter on other lines. The 442s story can be told in a book much better than any museum could hope to do.

Money no object, I'd have preserved the driving cab only that led the record run and fit it with a simulator replaying Wimbledon to Basingstoke so that kids can sit in the chair and get a feel of 'driving' the train.

 

[43096]

Who is "they"?

Exactly!

I think it normally means someone else should do it, whilst others foam that it is has the wrong livery/seat type/headlights/certain specific widget while contributing precisely nothing.

 

[nlogax]

The 442s story can be told in a book much better than any museum could hope to do.

I tend to agree. As game-changing as they were on the London to Weymouth route there are thousands of photos and probably days of video footage in existence (I have my own footage from twenty years ago on a random Digital8 tape somewhere).

The single DTS in preservation is enough. We don't need to preserve one complete example of every unit going when the archive material is so good and so accessible.

 

[Invincible]

Isn't the 442 basically an old MK3 carriage with a cab added, and old traction control and motors from old 4REP units (which SWR found difficult to update as each unit was different).

Looking into Northumbria Rail it does not have its own track. But reading comments from Facebook, DTS 77388 is likely to be occasionally run with other restored MK3 coaches and class 43 HST power locos at the Neve Valley Railway near Peterborough.

 

[Ash Bridge]

Isn't the 442 basically an old MK3 carriage with a cab added, and old traction control and motors from old 4REP units (which SWR found difficult to update as each unit was different).

Looking into Northumbria Rail it does not have its own track. But reading comments from Facebook, DTS 77388 is likely to be occasionally run with other restored MK3 coaches and class 43 HST power locos at the Neve Valley Railway near Peterborough.

I’m pretty certain the 442 bodyshells were all new build, but yes certainly of mk3 pattern.

 

[whoosh]

Isn't the 442 basically an old MK3 carriage with a cab added, and old traction control and motors from old 4REP units (which SWR found difficult to update as each unit was different).

For clarity, they were built new based on the Mk3 bodyshell, but they did re-use 4REP electrical equipment.

 

[CStock04]

Does anyone know the current status of the coaches in blue?
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Coaches in red are scrapped, green survive in some way (see note) and blue are unknown

Coaches 71838 and 62957 are scrapped. I own number panels from these coaches.


It's worth to note there are a few coaches remaining at Arlington. They own eleven vehicles in total, four of them from 442 412. There are seven more coaches parked far back but numbers are unknown, one of them is a driving coach.

Depends whether any went into class 73s?

A handful of EE546 motors were saved from scrapped units at Eastleigh for Class 73s. No idea how many have been fitted though.

 

[TransportHub]

On Facebook Northumbria railway have put a picture of 77388 looking good in Gatwick Express livery and coupled to a HST MK3 coach at Eastleigh.
Presumably when it gets to the Northumbria railway they will have some means of powering it on the non electrified track (batteries or a HST diesel loco?), rather than leave it as a static display?.

In a way sad it could not have been preserved in the South of England, but the Bluebell Railway, Swanage Railway and MHR at Alton are short of space and Swanage Railway is busy long term with its 4TC project. But maybe 77388 with its distinctive cab could visit Bluebell, Swanage or the MHR at Alton at a gala sometime, and travel there over the mainline again?.

do you mean 77382 (442401) not 77388 (442407), or have they got two coaches now?

 

[43096]

do you mean 77382 (442401) not 77388 (442407), or have they got two coaches now?

77382 is the one preserved by Northumbria Rail/125 Preservation.

 

[Invincible]

do you mean 77382 (442401) not 77388 (442407), or have they got two coaches now?

Thanks my mistake.