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Strike Impact on Railway Workers Compared to Other Strikers

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Plus they don't get painted as the bad guy by the media like RMT do. Mick Whelan doesn't get nearly as much media coverage as Mick Lynch and even when he is interviewed, they're never as hard on him.
He certainly plays the game well. Even when he is interviewed he comes across as reasonable. One thing he does do is proactively engage with media so you will sometimes see articles from him about the future of the railways, not just when there's a dispute on.
 
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Plus they don't get painted as the bad guy by the media like RMT do.
That's the most irritating bit- ooh nasty train guards are on strike, trying to save their jobs, terms and conditions.

ASLEF gets a free ride while their dispute is purely about pay, and you can bet your bottom dollar that if RMT settle for 5% with conditions, ASLEF will get 7% no strings.
 

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Nobody can afford tea bags anymore, and the guards can’t afford Sudoku to do in the back cab. Why do you think everyone is out :lol:.
It's not so much that. Not every station stock a Metro paper, so some don't benefit from the free crosswords/puzzles page. :rolleyes:

On the subject of recouping lost earnings, then some overtime / Sundays maybe available, but these are not assured. It also differs between resources managers, as to how they interpret the roster agreements.
 

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ASLEF gets a free ride while their dispute is purely about pay, and you can bet your bottom dollar that if RMT settle for 5% with conditions, ASLEF will get 7% no strings.
Which will include agreeing to more DOO while at the same time saying they're opposed to more DOO. :D
 

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It's great for the drivers.
RMT does all the hard work and drivers get to book on from the golf course and enjoy their jollies while on full pay..

When they did strike, we had to book on in depot and sit in the mess room for our full shift.

If you can get away with that, why would you ever strike?


Modernisation and workplace reform...

That's the most irritating bit- ooh nasty train guards are on strike, trying to save their jobs, terms and conditions.

ASLEF gets a free ride while their dispute is purely about pay, and you can bet your bottom dollar that if RMT settle for 5% with conditions, ASLEF will get 7% no strings.
I’m in ASLEF, got up at 0200 this morning went to work and stayed until my day was up.
I‘m totally against doo and stand with the rmt members in their dispute. Maybe you can keep typing your thoughts and convince me otherwise ?
 

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I’m in ASLEF, got up at 0200 this morning went to work and stayed until my day was up.
I‘m totally against doo and stand with the rmt members in their dispute. Maybe you can keep typing your thoughts and convince me otherwise ?
I can only speak from what I hear up and down the messrooms on our network. While the majority of drivers support us, some are just having a free ride.

I'm sorry for lumping you in with them.
 

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I can only speak from what I hear up and down the messrooms on our network. While the majority of drivers support us, some are just having a free ride.

I'm sorry for lumping you in with them.
I guess if some tocs are going easy on drivers it is another way to divide and rule and we all need to stay together.
To be fair, if someone is told they don’t have to come in, they probably aren’t going too.
All the best.
 

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This thread died a death didn’t it? ASLEF have done nothing to undermine RMT and aren’t working against them.
 

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I can only speak from what I hear up and down the messrooms on our network. While the majority of drivers support us, some are just having a free ride.

I'm sorry for lumping you in with them.
It isn't the drivers fault the union isn't taking more action! Some would argue the RMT is being a little gung ho and Aslef is being a little more considered in its approach. I have no doubt we will be striking at some point in January.
 

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I presume there is less options for rail workers striking to claw back lost earnings compared to other industries? For example if bin workers strike, when they return to work, overtime might be offered to clear the backlog. Likewise with Royal Mail? Is this a fair assumption?
I know someone who works for Royal Mail and they’re not getting o/t to deal with backlog apparently.
 

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It isn't the drivers fault the union isn't taking more action! Some would argue the RMT is being a little gung ho and Aslef is being a little more considered in its approach. I have no doubt we will be striking at some point in January.
ASLEF not striking seems both a tactical choice but also isn't Christmas the time when you can make extra dosh as a driver?
 

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The unfortunate thing I think, for RMT members, is even if ASLEF isn‘t involved in the strikes, quite a lot of the public have the misconception that it’s the “train drivers“ on strike and everybody earns £60k+.

Then even if they do have an inkling of the difference, ASLEF goes on strike and instantly the cleaners, platform staff etc get forgotten about because the “lazy £60k+ drivers” become the focus of attention (especially for the media).
 

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How are they doing that when so many days have no or reduced service thanks to guard and signaller strikes?
Case in point being SWR which from today has service levels barely better than on strike days (today's is in fact worse). Can't be any scope for overtime there!
 

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ASLEF not striking seems both a tactical choice but also isn't Christmas the time when you can make extra dosh as a driver?

You can make extra dosh as a driver at any time of the year. Where I am people are having annual leave declined and lots of rest day work is available.
 

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You can make extra dosh as a driver at any time of the year. Where I am people are having annual leave declined and lots of rest day work is available.
Yes that's pretty much mirrored here too. Last week there where even several drivers working rest days even on the RMT dispute days with the very limited service in force too as none of those spare could catch certain turns due to roster move limitations.
 

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I guess this is why many of the general public despair with the railways. To them it must *appear* that rail staff are always rolling in money, quietly chuckling at all the nurses, postmen and ambulance drivers who are struggling.
I know there is a big difference between ASLEF train drivers and many of the RMT staff - but that's not necessarily how the public see the ongoing train disputes.
Does anyone seriously believe that we can achieve settlements that the RMT, TOCs and Government will be happy with ?
 

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You can make extra dosh as a driver at any time of the year. Where I am people are having annual leave declined and lots of rest day work is available.
Depends on the depot I guess, there’s not much going where I am and it’s a pretty big depot.
 

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No strike pay from RMT.
When I was on strike with the NUR in 1989/90, the strike pay £1.00 per day, and you had to collect it from the NUR meetings locations.

The unfortunate thing I think, for RMT members, is even if ASLEF isn‘t involved in the strikes, quite a lot of the public have the misconception that it’s the “train drivers“ on strike and everybody earns £60k+.

Then even if they do have an inkling of the difference, ASLEF goes on strike and instantly the cleaners, platform staff etc get forgotten about because the “lazy £60k+ drivers” become the focus of attention (especially for the media).
Saw a public comment on an article about the RMT strikes the other day, it seems Signaller's now earn according to the remark at least £100K per year, seems to creep up with every person that comments on the issue !
 

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I guess this is why many of the general public despair with the railways. To them it must *appear* that rail staff are always rolling in money, quietly chuckling at all the nurses, postmen and ambulance drivers who are struggling.
Some of the unions involved in these disputes offer tax-free strike pay. Unite and Unison certainly do so that definitely helps makes up for any shortfall.

The CWU doesn't and amusingly has incurred the wrath of the World Socialist Website as a result, who accuse it of therefore being in league with Royal Mail management. :D
 

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Some of the unions involved in these disputes offer tax-free strike pay. Unite and Unison certainly do so that definitely helps makes up for any shortfall.

Not the major railway ones.
 
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Does anyone seriously believe that we can achieve settlements that the RMT, TOCs and Government will be happy with ?
Ultimately there will be a settlement that all parties will have to live with, which will be better than the one offered at the start.
 

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Ultimately there will be a settlement that all parties will have to live with, which will be better than the one offered at the start.

It would be in the interests of everyone concerned, not least the travelling public, to get to that point sooner rather than later!
 

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Some of the unions involved in these disputes offer tax-free strike pay. Unite and Unison certainly do so that definitely helps makes up for any shortfall.

The CWU doesn't and amusingly has incurred the wrath of the World Socialist Website as a result, who accuse it of therefore being in league with Royal Mail management. :D
Yes RMT paid SWR conductors to strike for a month in 2019 , so not much consistency in any of this .
 

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Yes RMT paid SWR conductors to strike for a month in 2019 , so not much consistency in any of this .

And Southern guards for a long time.

However it’s one thing giving strike pay to a few hundred people. Quite another to 40,000.
 

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Yes RMT paid SWR conductors to strike for a month in 2019 , so not much consistency in any of this .

You seem to have an encyclopaedic, bordering on the obsessive, knowledge of the RMT’s activities. Why is that?


And Southern guards for a long time.

From memory it was a lot less than their net basic salary, so they would still have ended up worse off, which I’m sure is gratifying to certain people (not aimed at yourself).
 
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