I've at last uploaded some of my photos from my short October 2017 trip:
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ac6000cw
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Nice photos 
In this one - http://railfoteurop.piwigo.com/picture?/7216/category/216-steinen_gotthard_route - is that 2 x Re620 + 1 x Re420 leading the train? Super-powered freight if it is...(nearly 28,000hp/21MW !)
In this one - http://railfoteurop.piwigo.com/picture?/7216/category/216-steinen_gotthard_route - is that 2 x Re620 + 1 x Re420 leading the train? Super-powered freight if it is...(nearly 28,000hp/21MW !)
ac6000cw
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That was my thought too...
axlecounter
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If the panto is up the loc is active. You can even often see a double “Re10”, that is two Re420 and two Re620!
There’s no such thing as a “too strong” locomotive. It all depends on the wagons’ weight. Either the locos can haul the given weight or they can’t. The driver is given a theoretically calculated value in tonnes for each type of loc (depending on the maximum gradient), which represents “how much” each loc can haul. He then sums up his locos values, if the value is above the waggons weight (by no matter how much) everything’s fine, if not, you’ll need a bank engine...
There’s no such thing as a “too strong” locomotive. It all depends on the wagons’ weight. Either the locos can haul the given weight or they can’t. The driver is given a theoretically calculated value in tonnes for each type of loc (depending on the maximum gradient), which represents “how much” each loc can haul. He then sums up his locos values, if the value is above the waggons weight (by no matter how much) everything’s fine, if not, you’ll need a bank engine...
I can confirm that all three locos were powering, and as I normally video all trains (camcorder on tripod, still camera in hand) I can confirm this after the day.
Here is a copy of the trip report to tally against the photos.
A short break in Switzerland: two days of freight chasing then a weekend in Geneva
Cargo sector loco number listing:
if I have listed the sighting with the loco’s old traditional number first and the computer number in brackets eg 11647 (620 047) then it is a loco with the traditional red livery but with the new computer number on the cab fronts (and the full UIC number on the lower body side)
If I have just listed a loco with the computer number (eg 421 379) then the loco is in full blue/red Cargo livery with all numbers in the computer style.
listings are shown as:
loco number then train type, then direction, then time, then road number (at larger or junction stations )
direction code: nbd = northbound, ebd = eastbound sbd = southbound wbd = westbound
Wed 11 October
mid evening flight LGW - BSL
overcrowded bus 50 to SBB
Basel SBB
101 050 overnight seats IC to Kiel Hbf
Thursday 12 October
Münchensteinerstrasse bridge south of Basel SBB station
11135 07.47 Sissach - Basel SBB EW oldie commuter set arr 08.16
11150 stabled
421 379 UID train sbd 08.19
ÖBB 1216 xxx Nightjet ex Hamburg 08.20
460 113 UID train sbd 08.22
146 195 DB dostos in from Basel Bad 08.30
37040 (SNCF) mixed containers sbd 08.30
460 090 UID train nbd 08.30
11150? Hamburg Nightjet to Zurich
Rheinfelden
460 057 IR nbd 09.13
185 101 +185 xxx nbd 09.20
11109 (Swiss Express) IR1965 sbd, taken to Frick
Frick
11327 (420 327) + 421 xxx + 421 xxx mixed containers nbd 09.47
185 103 mixed freight nbd 09.53
185 106 mixed freight sbd 10.01
11237 + 184xx Bm4/4 mixed freight nbd 10.04
460 057 IR sbd 10.06, taken to Brugg
Brugg
11649 (620 049) mixed freight ebd: saw it was being looped to be overtaken so I realised I could get ahead via a 460 IR and get a good photo on the sharp curve at Baden.
Baden
620 049 arrived soon after I got into photting position (10.43) , so got the shot and boarded the first available train back to Brugg!
Brugg
11625 (620 025) mixed freight wbd 10.56
BT 11 (oldie preserved green ‘box’ BoBo elec) arrived with two preserved full brake coaches
620 042 mixed tankers (inc OnRail, Ermewa, GATX) ebd 11.13
11367 (430 367) mixed freight wbd 11.20
11364 (430 364) [ now very rare Green livery loco ] mixed freight wbd 11.30
took advantage of the now all-day EMU service linking Brugg with Othmarsingen
Othmarsingen (roads: p2 = platform 2 from Zurich to Lenzburg; p3 = Lenzburg - Zurich; p4= southbound ‘Gotthard route’ platform p5 = northbound ‘Gotthard route’ )
420 216 DB stock IC ebd 11.49 p3
460 104 wbd IC/IR 11.49 p3
11649 (620 049) short mixed freight sbd 11.55 p4
11621 (620 021) mixed freight sbd 12.03 p4
620 047 block Holcim cement tanks wbd 12.07 p2
460 059 IC/IR ebd 12.15 p3
ICE wbd 12.18 p2
BLS 186 105 mixed containers ebd 12.21 p5
11649 light ebd 12.22 p5
11355 (430 355) + Travys 420 503 Re4/4 dit + 2 wagons ebd 12.24 p3
421 379 ICIR wbd 12.27 p2
474 017 + 474 003? mixed intermodal nbd 12.28 road 5
460 064 IC/IR ebd 12.37 p3
420 307 postal wbd 12.40 p2
Hendshicken (briefly)
185 099 +185 XXX mineral gondolas sbd 12.52
465 017 Pink Panther RailCare CoOp containers sbd 12.55
Hendschiken to Aarau Flirt EMU, for post bus over a minor Jura pass road to reach a line side spot in the hills east of Frick station.
Frick hillside (14.15 — 16.35)
11625 (620 025) mixed freight ebd 14.18
11146 IR wbd 14.18
620 032 block Wascosa blue/orange tankers wbd 14.31
11115 IR ebd 14.46
185 116 Cargowaggons ebd 14.50
185 085 mineral gondolas wbd 14.51
460 100 IR wbd 14.58
11676 (620 076) + 420 276 mixed containers ebd 15.02
11636 (620 036) mixed freight ebd 15.06
460 070 IC2000 d/d ebd 15.11
11140 IR wbd 15.17
482 013 light wbd 15.23
420 216 IR ebd 15.47
474 015 + 474 xxx mixed containers wbd 15.52
486 502 mixed containers ebd 16.04
185 104 gas tankers wbd 16.07
460 100 IR ebd 16.09
620 082 + 11322 (420 322) mixed containers ebd 16.12
TGV4416 ebd 16.16
460 014 IR wbd 16.17
185 129 mixed freight ebd 16.31
BLS 182 (brownie) Gefco car carriers wbd 16.33
walk back to Frick for Flirt to Möhlin
Möhlin
Am843 080 on sugar beet train being loaded
11133 S Basel - Stein Sackingen EWII oldies ebd 17.25
11153 + 111xx IR ebd 17.33
11109 IR wbd 17.33
620 032 arrive from west into yard onto freight wagons 17.40
11133 back wbd 17.46
11636 (620 036) + 11625 (620 025) wbd mixed freight 17.49
11299 S Basel - Stein S 17.55
11315 containers ebd 17.59
186 101 containers ebd 18.01
185 101 containers ebd 18.05
highly amused to see 186 101 literally followed 4 mins later by 185 101!
11138 EW UID ersatz ebd 18.08
11340 (420 340) + 421 xxx + 421 xxx mixed containers ebd 18.18
Rheinfelden
11649 (620 049) arrive from east 18.27 on to vans waiting in Feldschlösschen exchange sidings
11122 IR ebd 18.28
620 032 mixed freight ex Möhlin (above) wbd 18.29
420 216 IR wbd 18.35 inc unrepainted RICs
11299 S EW blue commuter ridden Rheinfelden - Basel SBB
Basel SBB
SNCF 37039 (ghost livery) sbd Ambrogio intermodal 19.08
11109 Swiss Express IR Basel - Zürich IR 1985 taken to Zürich HB
Zürich HB
11300 Chur 20.31 to Chur
11136 EN Nighjet Graz/Zagreb
460 UID IC2000 d/d to Baar
overnight Ibis Baar
Friday 13 October
Rotkreuz
189 107 + 189 112 sbd mixed containers 08.19 in fog
SOB 2-car NPZ type EMU on peak only S32 to Arth Goldau
Arth Goldau
11266 (420 266) + 116xx (620 xxx) mixed containers sbd 08.37
Steinen
11331 (420 331) + 620 xxx XRail + 11645?(620 xxx) mixed freight nbd 08.52
460 chiquita nbd 09.03
11336 (420 336) + 11680 (620 080) mixed containers nbd 09.11
460 046 IR nbd 09.14
Rotkreuz
11167 + 11245 parked (both lacking computer addition) 10.17
Aarau
11132 postal wbd 11.10
420 307 mixed freight wbd 11.14
Solothurn
BLS 180 + vectron 187 001 in dead in tow wbd 13.06
Dietingen station
decent station with good angle for eastbound trains with Jura mountain background
11363 (430 363) mixed freight wbd 13.28
11645 (620 045) mixed freight wbd 13.42
11635 (620 035) tankers ebd 13.49
11166 * mainly ‘cargo wagon’ type vans ebd 13.53
11162 postal ebd 14.04
11234 * + 11364 (430 364 green) mixed freight and infra ebd 14.16
189 990 (Novelis) mixed SBB Cargo and Novelis freight ebd 14.34
185 087 + 185 xxx tankers ebd 14.38
Solothurn
11350 (430 350) postal wbd 14.54
11244 (420 244) vans ebd 14.55
11627 (620 027) mixed freight ex Biberist ebd 15.08
Bettlach
420 246 + 11xxx (420 xxx) freight wbd 15.41
11295 (420 295) short mixed freight ebd 15.43
11235 * light ebd 15.55
11683 620 083 tankers ebd 16.17
11314??xxx + 11609 620 009 mixed freight ebd 16.34
620 047 block high side hoppers ebd 16.42
BLS 174 ebd light 16.45
11614 (620 014) block Holcim cement tanks ebd 16.50
11363 + draisine infra gadget ebd 17.16
Yverdon
420 253 sbd sugar beet 18.56
bonus photo, was able to jump off ICN as it was in a good position 2 roads across from passenger platforms
Saturday 14/10
Genthod
460 073 IR ebd 09.19
465 016 Black Pearl RailCare CoOp containers wbd 09.22
460 091 IR ebd 10.08
460 076 IR ebd 15.09
460 003 IC2000 wbd 15.16
460 091 IR wbd 15.28
460 047 IR ebd 15.37
460 028 IC2000 wbd 15.46
460 067 IC2000 ebd 15.49
460 089 IR wbd 15.57
In between time:
Visited TPG open day at Bachet de Pesay depot (40 years of TPG and depot).
807 (Vevey Duewag)
729 + 308 (Swiss standard set preserved in CGTE orange/red+cream)
were doing the honours on the ‘Tram Safari’ which carried visitors on a twisting route round the depot complex (inside and out on two levels!) using the various access tracks available
Sunday viewed Lyon hauled trains then late flight to LGW
Here is a copy of the trip report to tally against the photos.
A short break in Switzerland: two days of freight chasing then a weekend in Geneva
Cargo sector loco number listing:
if I have listed the sighting with the loco’s old traditional number first and the computer number in brackets eg 11647 (620 047) then it is a loco with the traditional red livery but with the new computer number on the cab fronts (and the full UIC number on the lower body side)
If I have just listed a loco with the computer number (eg 421 379) then the loco is in full blue/red Cargo livery with all numbers in the computer style.
listings are shown as:
loco number then train type, then direction, then time, then road number (at larger or junction stations )
direction code: nbd = northbound, ebd = eastbound sbd = southbound wbd = westbound
Wed 11 October
mid evening flight LGW - BSL
overcrowded bus 50 to SBB
Basel SBB
101 050 overnight seats IC to Kiel Hbf
Thursday 12 October
Münchensteinerstrasse bridge south of Basel SBB station
11135 07.47 Sissach - Basel SBB EW oldie commuter set arr 08.16
11150 stabled
421 379 UID train sbd 08.19
ÖBB 1216 xxx Nightjet ex Hamburg 08.20
460 113 UID train sbd 08.22
146 195 DB dostos in from Basel Bad 08.30
37040 (SNCF) mixed containers sbd 08.30
460 090 UID train nbd 08.30
11150? Hamburg Nightjet to Zurich
Rheinfelden
460 057 IR nbd 09.13
185 101 +185 xxx nbd 09.20
11109 (Swiss Express) IR1965 sbd, taken to Frick
Frick
11327 (420 327) + 421 xxx + 421 xxx mixed containers nbd 09.47
185 103 mixed freight nbd 09.53
185 106 mixed freight sbd 10.01
11237 + 184xx Bm4/4 mixed freight nbd 10.04
460 057 IR sbd 10.06, taken to Brugg
Brugg
11649 (620 049) mixed freight ebd: saw it was being looped to be overtaken so I realised I could get ahead via a 460 IR and get a good photo on the sharp curve at Baden.
Baden
620 049 arrived soon after I got into photting position (10.43) , so got the shot and boarded the first available train back to Brugg!
Brugg
11625 (620 025) mixed freight wbd 10.56
BT 11 (oldie preserved green ‘box’ BoBo elec) arrived with two preserved full brake coaches
620 042 mixed tankers (inc OnRail, Ermewa, GATX) ebd 11.13
11367 (430 367) mixed freight wbd 11.20
11364 (430 364) [ now very rare Green livery loco ] mixed freight wbd 11.30
took advantage of the now all-day EMU service linking Brugg with Othmarsingen
Othmarsingen (roads: p2 = platform 2 from Zurich to Lenzburg; p3 = Lenzburg - Zurich; p4= southbound ‘Gotthard route’ platform p5 = northbound ‘Gotthard route’ )
420 216 DB stock IC ebd 11.49 p3
460 104 wbd IC/IR 11.49 p3
11649 (620 049) short mixed freight sbd 11.55 p4
11621 (620 021) mixed freight sbd 12.03 p4
620 047 block Holcim cement tanks wbd 12.07 p2
460 059 IC/IR ebd 12.15 p3
ICE wbd 12.18 p2
BLS 186 105 mixed containers ebd 12.21 p5
11649 light ebd 12.22 p5
11355 (430 355) + Travys 420 503 Re4/4 dit + 2 wagons ebd 12.24 p3
421 379 ICIR wbd 12.27 p2
474 017 + 474 003? mixed intermodal nbd 12.28 road 5
460 064 IC/IR ebd 12.37 p3
420 307 postal wbd 12.40 p2
Hendshicken (briefly)
185 099 +185 XXX mineral gondolas sbd 12.52
465 017 Pink Panther RailCare CoOp containers sbd 12.55
Hendschiken to Aarau Flirt EMU, for post bus over a minor Jura pass road to reach a line side spot in the hills east of Frick station.
Frick hillside (14.15 — 16.35)
11625 (620 025) mixed freight ebd 14.18
11146 IR wbd 14.18
620 032 block Wascosa blue/orange tankers wbd 14.31
11115 IR ebd 14.46
185 116 Cargowaggons ebd 14.50
185 085 mineral gondolas wbd 14.51
460 100 IR wbd 14.58
11676 (620 076) + 420 276 mixed containers ebd 15.02
11636 (620 036) mixed freight ebd 15.06
460 070 IC2000 d/d ebd 15.11
11140 IR wbd 15.17
482 013 light wbd 15.23
420 216 IR ebd 15.47
474 015 + 474 xxx mixed containers wbd 15.52
486 502 mixed containers ebd 16.04
185 104 gas tankers wbd 16.07
460 100 IR ebd 16.09
620 082 + 11322 (420 322) mixed containers ebd 16.12
TGV4416 ebd 16.16
460 014 IR wbd 16.17
185 129 mixed freight ebd 16.31
BLS 182 (brownie) Gefco car carriers wbd 16.33
walk back to Frick for Flirt to Möhlin
Möhlin
Am843 080 on sugar beet train being loaded
11133 S Basel - Stein Sackingen EWII oldies ebd 17.25
11153 + 111xx IR ebd 17.33
11109 IR wbd 17.33
620 032 arrive from west into yard onto freight wagons 17.40
11133 back wbd 17.46
11636 (620 036) + 11625 (620 025) wbd mixed freight 17.49
11299 S Basel - Stein S 17.55
11315 containers ebd 17.59
186 101 containers ebd 18.01
185 101 containers ebd 18.05
highly amused to see 186 101 literally followed 4 mins later by 185 101!
11138 EW UID ersatz ebd 18.08
11340 (420 340) + 421 xxx + 421 xxx mixed containers ebd 18.18
Rheinfelden
11649 (620 049) arrive from east 18.27 on to vans waiting in Feldschlösschen exchange sidings
11122 IR ebd 18.28
620 032 mixed freight ex Möhlin (above) wbd 18.29
420 216 IR wbd 18.35 inc unrepainted RICs
11299 S EW blue commuter ridden Rheinfelden - Basel SBB
Basel SBB
SNCF 37039 (ghost livery) sbd Ambrogio intermodal 19.08
11109 Swiss Express IR Basel - Zürich IR 1985 taken to Zürich HB
Zürich HB
11300 Chur 20.31 to Chur
11136 EN Nighjet Graz/Zagreb
460 UID IC2000 d/d to Baar
overnight Ibis Baar
Friday 13 October
Rotkreuz
189 107 + 189 112 sbd mixed containers 08.19 in fog
SOB 2-car NPZ type EMU on peak only S32 to Arth Goldau
Arth Goldau
11266 (420 266) + 116xx (620 xxx) mixed containers sbd 08.37
Steinen
11331 (420 331) + 620 xxx XRail + 11645?(620 xxx) mixed freight nbd 08.52
460 chiquita nbd 09.03
11336 (420 336) + 11680 (620 080) mixed containers nbd 09.11
460 046 IR nbd 09.14
Rotkreuz
11167 + 11245 parked (both lacking computer addition) 10.17
Aarau
11132 postal wbd 11.10
420 307 mixed freight wbd 11.14
Solothurn
BLS 180 + vectron 187 001 in dead in tow wbd 13.06
Dietingen station
decent station with good angle for eastbound trains with Jura mountain background
11363 (430 363) mixed freight wbd 13.28
11645 (620 045) mixed freight wbd 13.42
11635 (620 035) tankers ebd 13.49
11166 * mainly ‘cargo wagon’ type vans ebd 13.53
11162 postal ebd 14.04
11234 * + 11364 (430 364 green) mixed freight and infra ebd 14.16
189 990 (Novelis) mixed SBB Cargo and Novelis freight ebd 14.34
185 087 + 185 xxx tankers ebd 14.38
Solothurn
11350 (430 350) postal wbd 14.54
11244 (420 244) vans ebd 14.55
11627 (620 027) mixed freight ex Biberist ebd 15.08
Bettlach
420 246 + 11xxx (420 xxx) freight wbd 15.41
11295 (420 295) short mixed freight ebd 15.43
11235 * light ebd 15.55
11683 620 083 tankers ebd 16.17
11314??xxx + 11609 620 009 mixed freight ebd 16.34
620 047 block high side hoppers ebd 16.42
BLS 174 ebd light 16.45
11614 (620 014) block Holcim cement tanks ebd 16.50
11363 + draisine infra gadget ebd 17.16
Yverdon
420 253 sbd sugar beet 18.56
bonus photo, was able to jump off ICN as it was in a good position 2 roads across from passenger platforms
Saturday 14/10
Genthod
460 073 IR ebd 09.19
465 016 Black Pearl RailCare CoOp containers wbd 09.22
460 091 IR ebd 10.08
460 076 IR ebd 15.09
460 003 IC2000 wbd 15.16
460 091 IR wbd 15.28
460 047 IR ebd 15.37
460 028 IC2000 wbd 15.46
460 067 IC2000 ebd 15.49
460 089 IR wbd 15.57
In between time:
Visited TPG open day at Bachet de Pesay depot (40 years of TPG and depot).
807 (Vevey Duewag)
729 + 308 (Swiss standard set preserved in CGTE orange/red+cream)
were doing the honours on the ‘Tram Safari’ which carried visitors on a twisting route round the depot complex (inside and out on two levels!) using the various access tracks available
Sunday viewed Lyon hauled trains then late flight to LGW
Nice photos
In this one - http://railfoteurop.piwigo.com/picture?/7216/category/216-steinen_gotthard_route - is that 2 x Re620 + 1 x Re420 leading the train? Super-powered freight if it is...(nearly 28,000hp/21MW !)
In fact, this is less powerful than the old Re20/20 combination (2xRe6/6, 2x Re4/4) was. Nevertheless I was very pleased to see it!
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themiller
Member
A few years ago, I used to go to Spiez station to see the china clay train which goes loaded from Germany to Italy. It split at Thun and had 2 locos at the head and 2 locos at the rear of each half. This frequently produced 4 Re465s on one half rake of loaded wagons - 28MW. This arrangement was used not only to power the train over the Loetchberg mountain route but also for braking on the downhill into Brig using regenerative braking where the two halves of the train were rejoined for the final run into Italy.
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