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As expected, Stuart Meek has now moved back to the Chief Operating Officer position pending the end of the franchise.
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Wonder who the new MD will be, could be someone from the GBR board since usually railway MDs come from the parent organisation.
I like to imagine Chris Green showing up to the launch day in the newly painted unit to announce he's coming out of retirement... but of course that is just a fairytale ;)
The new MD I think is called Lawrence something
 
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FirstGroup have released the usual PR article about how many "improvements" they've made to the railway since the franchise begun..
FirstGroup celebrated the achievements of South Western Railway (SWR) today and the hundreds of millions of pounds of improvements the operator has seen since 2017.

FirstGroup and MTR have been operating SWR since that year, connecting communities and providing commuter, regional and long-distance services to customers in South West London, the southern counties of England and the Isle of Wight. During that time, passenger volumes increased to a pre-pandemic high of 216m and have recovered to more than 165m today.

Operating more than 1,600 services each weekday and carrying commuter, business and leisure travellers across the region, over the last eight years SWR has increased the size of the workforce which now stands at 5,600 employees.

First MTR South Western Trains Limited will transfer to public control under the DfT Operator (DfTO) on 25 May, in line with the Government’s policy and as announced in December 2024.

Ahead of the transition, First Rail Managing Director Steve Montgomery said it had been a privilege for FirstGroup to have operated SWR since 2017. Over the last eight years FirstGroup have delivered investment in SWR’s rolling stock including a £70m refurbishment of the existing Desiro fleet; a new depot at Feltham; and launching the new Arterio fleet. While the Arterio roll out has been slower than expected due to a number of factors largely beyond FirstGroup’s control, the number of new trains on the network is set to double by the early summer, replacing older rolling stock and giving good momentum to the business in future.

Alongside rolling stock upgrades, FirstGroup have delivered improvements to stations along the route and a further £26m investment in the transformation of the Isle of Wight’s railway, including a new fleet of trains and refurbished stations and the pier at Ryde.

Customers across the network have benefited from the introduction of smartcards and subsequently the Tap2Go service, allowing customers to access the best fares by capping prices to the equivalent weekly season ticket price. New tickets have been introduced including the popular Evening Out fares; and new loyalty scheme SWR Rewards has allowed customers to take advantage of discounts from shops, restaurants and West End attractions.

As the operator is handed over, advanced 5G services have been introduced for passengers to use on 70km of line between Basingstoke and Earlsfield giving a best-in-class Wi-Fi experience for customers thanks to the installation of new equipment by FirstGroup.

First Rail Managing Director Steve Montgomery said: “Passengers have been at the forefront of service improvement throughout our eight year stewardship of these important routes. We are proud of how SWR brings people together across the south east of England.

“Improving the infrastructure, customer experience and rolling stock across the service has enabled us to deliver for our passengers, who make 165m journeys each year. Right up until the final weeks we have continued to innovate, with a new fast Wi-Fi service being rolled out.

“I would like to thank our SWR passengers for their custom during this time. Above all, I would like to say thanks to our SWR colleagues for their hard work and dedication to our customers and recognise the important role all those across the business have played in delivering these improvements to the service. We are supporting DfTO to ensure a smooth transition and we wish passengers, partners and colleagues every success for the future.”

Lawrence Bowman.

Although not like the name of the MD will mean much to those on the ground
He has quite an interesting history, with him starting his career on the railway with an industry placement at South West Trains (working on the 450/444 rollout), so it's quite a full circle moment.
 
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"We are proud of how SWR brings people together across the south east of England."

Wasn't aware of SWR calling at Canterbury, Maidstone, Folkestone, Hastings etc... Doh, ha ha.

FirstGroup clearly did not have good awareness of the South Western rail region, despite nearly a decade, as it was they used the "Famous Five" characters for promoting GWR as most of the Enid Blyton stories were set in Dorset, which SWR is the main operator!

Won't be sorry to see them go.
 

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"We are proud of how SWR brings people together across the south east of England."

Wasn't aware of SWR calling at Canterbury, Maidstone, Folkestone, Hastings etc... Doh, ha ha.

FirstGroup clearly did not have good awareness of the South Western rail region, despite nearly a decade, as it was they used the "Famous Five" characters for promoting GWR as most of the Enid Blyton stories were set in Dorset, which SWR is the main operator!

Won't be sorry to see them go.
I think the general view is that "the south east" covers Hampshire, Berkshire and Surrey (amongst other places) so it's quite legitimate to say SWR served the South East.

And GWR do serve Dorset, so they're quite entitled to use that fact to promote their services. It's not like they'd used pictures of Edinburgh to promote Bath or anything.
 

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"We are proud of how SWR brings people together across the south east of England."

Wasn't aware of SWR calling at Canterbury, Maidstone, Folkestone, Hastings etc... Doh, ha ha.

FirstGroup clearly did not have good awareness of the South Western rail region, despite nearly a decade, as it was they used the "Famous Five" characters for promoting GWR as most of the Enid Blyton stories were set in Dorset, which SWR is the main operator!

Won't be sorry to see them go.
Last time I checked Berkshire, Hampshire, Surrey and London were in the South East
 

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Lawrence Bowman.

Although not like the name of the MD will mean much to those on the ground
Oh yes, I remember Lawrence at East Midlands Trains. Pleasant chap to speak to and quite keen - I seem to recall finding him on my 153 somewhere near Spalding (I think) or the like one early bank holiday morning and in the usual tongue in cheek manner enquired as to what had gotten a Director out of bed at that time on a Bank Holiday and he replied that some station works had been running a bit late and he wanted to come and have a look at them himself. That impressed me!

Glad to see he's getting on well.

Sort of shows the different worlds we inhabit too - at the much smaller TOC I'm at the senior management and the workforce are pretty well known to each other I think.
 
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Oh yes, I remember Lawrence at East Midlands Trains. Pleasant chap to speak to and quite keen - I seem to recall finding him on my 153 somewhere near Spalding (I think) or the like one early bank holiday morning and in the usual tongue in cheek manner enquired as to what had gotten a Director out of bed at that time on a Bank Holiday and he replied that some station works had been running a bit late and he wanted to come and have a look at them himself. That impressed me!
That's good to hear - hands on directors/managers are hard to come by these days and exactly what we need.
 

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It is true that some counties SWR serves are in the South East, but clearly NOT across the South East as the press release states as it implies also covers East Sussex & Kent which is the eastern half of SE England which SWR does not serve anyway.

I refer to the "South Western rail region" as the area covered by SWR as the counties in that part would come under both SE and SW England, so it understandably looks confusing when referring this geographically instead of TOC coverage, perhaps I should have called this the "Wessex region" instead?

It is also true about GWR serving Dorset however on a much smaller scale, but I feel the Famous Five were mostly based away from GWR's actual coverage which is the Isle of Purbeck that Wareham & Wool are served by SWR and the railway through the Isle is run by the heritage Swanage Railway.
 

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The south western rail region is a meaningless concept to the public though. Railway organisational geography is meaningless to the public.

The concept of the South East also includes Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire etc, and SWR certainly contributed to "bringing people together across the South East"...
 

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The south western rail region is a meaningless concept to the public though. Railway organisational geography is meaningless to the public.

The concept of the South East also includes Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire etc, and SWR certainly contributed to "bringing people together across the South East"...

True about this being meaningless to the public, but when referring to SWR's coverage, especially on here, then maybe "SWR region" or "Wessex rail area" or whatever...

The press release probably should have said "southern England" which is mostly true as this covers both SW (eastern part) and SE (western part) England regions. I respectfully just don't agree with "certainly contributed ... across the South East" as SWR obviously do not serve Oxon, Bucks, East Sussex etc therefore clearly not the entire SE of England, only the western parts of it.

"Southern region" could be confused with the old BR region also with the possible new GBR region and the area covered by GTR Southern! Similarly "Wessex region" could be associated with the area previously covered by Wales & West then Wessex Trains. I could go on... Sorry, I am not sure how to refer to all this without resorting to pedantics. Some of us will just have to agree to disagree.

It's weird to think that, as soon aa one crosses from Dorset into the New Forest, one is in the South East....

Before 1974 all stations before/after Branksome would have been in the South East as Bournemouth used to be in Hampshire before being transferred to Dorset. Now the first/last SE station would be Hinton Admiral instead of Bournemouth!
 
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espectfully just don't agree with "certainly contributed ... across the South East" as SWR obviously do not serve Oxon, Bucks, East Sussex etc therefore clearly not the entire SE of England, only the western parts of it.
If you have to serve the entire area then nobody has since BR.

But that's why I said "contributed" - lots of organisations have played a part, and SWR were one of them.

As a former SWT/R commuter I wouldn't say that they did anything particularly amazing, and certainly weren't an improvement on Stagecoach. But it wasn't a horror show, either.
 

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FirstGroup have released the usual PR article about how many "improvements" they've made to the railway since the franchise begun..



He has quite an interesting history, with him starting his career on the railway with an industry placement at South West Trains (working on the 450/444 rollout), so it's quite a full circle moment.
Have SWR objectively made any improvements since they took over? They are leaving it in a far worse state than they inherited. Ultimately they have been in charge for 8 years and we have fewer services and shorter trains than when they took over.
 

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Have SWR objectively made any improvements since they took over? They are leaving it in a far worse state than they inherited. Ultimately they have been in charge for 8 years and we have fewer services and shorter trains than when they took over.

I'm struggling to come up with any positives from SWR's tenure - probably the introduction of 484s to the Island line?
 

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I'm struggling to come up with any positives from SWR's tenure - probably the introduction of 484s to the Island line?

Botched introduction of 701s, wasted money on 442s, downgrade of first class...it's not a great record! The 484s do the job but haven't gone spectacularly well either, and the half hourly timetable was botched too.
 

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True about this being meaningless to the public, but when referring to SWR's coverage, especially on here, then maybe "SWR region" or "Wessex rail area" or whatever...

The press release probably should have said "southern England" which is mostly true as this covers both SW (eastern part) and SE (western part) England regions. I respectfully just don't agree with "certainly contributed ... across the South East" as SWR obviously do not serve Oxon, Bucks, East Sussex etc therefore clearly not the entire SE of England, only the western parts of it.

"Southern region" could be confused with the old BR region also with the possible new GBR region and the area covered by GTR Southern! Similarly "Wessex region" could be associated with the area previously covered by Wales & West then Wessex Trains. I could go on... Sorry, I am not sure how to refer to all this without resorting to pedantics. Some of us will just have to agree to disagree.

People are thinking way too much into this. It’s simply a nice passing phrase to use in a press release.

Anything geographically specific enough would be overly long and prescriptive, e.g. listing the counties it serves or some form of ‘the wider Hampshire-Surrey portion of southern England’ to differentiate it from SE, Southern or GWR
 

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Botched introduction of 701s, wasted money on 442s, downgrade of first class...it's not a great record! The 484s do the job but haven't gone spectacularly well either, and the half hourly timetable was botched too.

Well a lot of the 701s were down to Alstom supplying a substandard product. SWR can hardly be blamed for that. Ok the latest issue is about method of operation which is down to how they were originally specified

There was an event called COVID which changed the economics of the 442s which meant they were surplus, the 442s introduction was based on 2017 demand not the post 2020s

They've done a nice job on the Desiro refurbishment and the day to day operations are good with a reliable service. A lot of the stock was tatty and dirty when SWT gave back the franchise
 

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They've done a nice job on the Desiro refurbishment

I'd disagree. It's drab, dowdy, flat cloth so won't wear well and First Class isn't worthy of the name (it's little more than average Standard, basically the same as Standard in the Greater Anglia FLIRTs, and in the 444s inferior to actual Standard as e.g. the legroom is tighter due to the thick seat backs). A classic lackadaisical FirstGroup "lost interest" type job in my eyes.
 

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I'd disagree. It's drab, dowdy, flat cloth so won't wear well and First Class isn't worthy of the name (it's little more than average Standard, basically the same as Standard in the Greater Anglia FLIRTs). A classic lackadaisical FirstGroup "lost interest" type job in my eyes.
It is a lot better than the tacky bright red.
Looks clean and modern

Arguably SWR doesn't need First, it's mostly short commuter journeys anyway
 

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It is a lot better than the tacky bright red.
Looks clean and modern

Nah, I preferred the red. Bright, warm and welcoming, just like the LNER interior (much as I hate the actual seats!)

Arguably SWR doesn't need First, it's mostly short commuter journeys anyway

I think people doing a nearly five hour journey to Weymouth (and plenty of people do do the full journey) might disagree. You could argue the 450s don't need it but the 444s definitely do, as do the 159s.
 

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I think people doing a nearly five hour journey to Weymouth (and plenty of people do do the full journey) might disagree. You could argue the 450s don't need it but the 444s definitely do, as do the 159s.

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Normal journey time between Weymouth and Waterloo is between 2hrs 40mins to 3hrs, or on Sunday circa 3hrs 30mins.
 

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Normal journey time between Weymouth and Waterloo is between 2hrs 40mins to 3hrs, or on Sunday circa 3hrs 30mins.
And even that doesn't count in a way, since Weymouth is quite a small town. Much like how Kings Lynn gets an outer suburban service. However there should be proper first class and catering of some form at the very least since both Bournemouth and Portsmouth take longer to get to from London than Birmingham and Bristol, however since it's on the third rail network and formerly NSE it gets downgraded to a glorified outer suburban service instead of the intercity service the 444s were designed to provide.
 

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My interpretation is it’s a small logo on the side of a single train and that’s it. The article only mentions the logo being red white and blue. It also says other trains will not be receiving this small logo for a long time.
Why would application of a small logo need the train to go to Bournemouth when it could easily be done at Wimbledon?
 

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FirstGroup have released the usual PR article about how many "improvements" they've made to the railway since the franchise begun..
My word, they really are utterly deluded.

With the service I regularly use they promised:
- new trains by December 2020. FAILED - none in use
- existing Desiros refurbished within 12 months. FAILED - 12 months late
- all-day 4tph service implemented. FAILED - indeed gone backwards as the 4tph peak service has been cut to 2tph
- journey times reduced. FAILED - journey times have been increased in a desperate bid to mask sloppy operating

Good riddance to bad rubbish. And that is being very polite. Steve Montgomery really wouldn’t want a conversation with me.
 

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However there should be proper first class and catering of some form at the very least since both Bournemouth and Portsmouth take longer to get to from London than Birmingham and Bristol,
They are very similar. Attached are timetabled services leaving after 10:00am.
Limited-stop paths are 1h 35m to 1h 40m.
Bournemouth is sub 2h.

Hybrid working patterns mean I and others are prepared to commute farther, where jobs are "in office 1 to 2 days pwk".

Leisure travel, understandably, will create some demand for food and drink facilities.
Commuting, we just want to to able to work on the train (or "zone out"!).
 

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Today is supposed to be the day the new branding is revealed at Bournemouth depot by Heidi Alexander according an article from The Times last week.
 

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Today is supposed to be the day the new branding is revealed at Bournemouth depot by Heidi Alexander according an article from The Times last week.
And they obviously don't want it to be prime time TV news

Picked the day, exactly one year from when Rishi stood in the rain and announced the election, so blaming conservatives after a year looks feeble. Then there is Chagos Islands giveaway ceremony and publication of migration and asylum figures today, along with last nights speech by work and pensions secretary on welfare reform, all of which are probably more controversial subjects for the news.
 

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