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SWR Class 458 to be retained

Siemens Staines

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TEW said:
The new peak additional Monday-Thursday at 0752 from Surbiton to Waterloo is also booked to start on Monday.
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Thank you for all of your information, it is much appreciated. Is this Surbiton additional worked by the pair of 450s freed up by the extra 458/4 diagram or, as I suspect, it is more complicated than that?
 
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TEW said:
The stock related alterations have likely not been uploaded to RTT yet. The 701 diagram is unchanged from next week. What I posted are the 458/4 diagrams. Based on how many have actually ran the past two weeks I am not guaranteeing they will all run, but on paper they are booked 458/4.

The new peak additional Monday-Thursday at 0752 from Surbiton to Waterloo is also booked to start on Monday.
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Perhaps RTT isn`t changed yet.
Thanks.
It seems that`s right and we won`t see first ALL DAY 701 curciut (((((((((
 
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Siemens Staines said:
Thank you for all of your information, it is much appreciated. Is this Surbiton additional worked by the pair of 450s freed up by the extra 458/4 diagram or, as I suspect, it is more complicated than that?
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More complicated of course. The diagram that was 450 on main suburban last week but 455 this week will be 450 again. The Surbiton additional is then booked 8-455. That's all that's in that 455 diagram.
 
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Looks like there are plans to clear the 458/4s to windsor and all the way to wokingham (for Bracknell terminators) and woking (for sunday woking via hounslow services).
 
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swr444 said:
Looks like there are plans to clear the 458/4s to windsor and all the way to wokingham (for Bracknell terminators) and woking (for sunday woking via hounslow services).
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Entirely sensible, but I wonder why not all the way to Reading. There are only 3 scheduled Bracknell terminators, Mon-Fri only.
 
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Entirely sensible, but I wonder why not all the way to Reading. There are only 3 scheduled Bracknell terminators, Mon-Fri only.
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I do not know, but possibly because the only regular Bracknell terminator that turns round at Wokingham, rather than Bracknell itself, is FO 2250 Waterloo - Bracknell and that set spends the rest of the day on Weybridge or Hounslow loop services. However, I do agree that to do all of that clearance/paper work and skip the last seven miles to Reading is a little odd. It would mean having to deal with a different NR region if that has anything to with it?
 
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Siemens Staines said:
It would mean having to deal with a different NR region if that has anything to with it?
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It wouldn’t, the DC-electrified platforms are still officially NR Wessex territory (even though they’re controlled from Thames Valley signalling centre) - the boundaries between Wessex and Western are on the connecting lines themselves.
 
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It wouldn’t, the DC-electrified platforms are still officially NR Wessex territory (even though they’re controlled from Thames Valley signalling centre) - the boundaries between Wessex and Western are on the connecting lines themselves.
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Thank you for this explanation. OTT maps shows a boundary dotted line between Earley and the connecting lines which is what led to my confusion. That must be the boundary between who controls the signals, as you describe, rather than whose territory it is. Is this why the DC platforms have a different TIPLOC to the rest of Reading station?

Back on topic. I notice that the Friday 5B39 from Wimbledon Park to Bournemouth is en-route. On alternate Fridays, 5B39 is usually the next 458/5 for Widnes. If so, then it must be 458502 because 458503 and 458519 are out elsewhere today. Of course it could be something other than a 458, so if someone could confirm then it would be much appreciated. Thank You.
 
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Siemens Staines said:
I do not know, but possibly because the only regular Bracknell terminator that turns round at Wokingham, rather than Bracknell itself, is FO 2250 Waterloo - Bracknell and that set spends the rest of the day on Weybridge or Hounslow loop services. However, I do agree that to do all of that clearance/paper work and skip the last seven miles to Reading is a little odd. It would mean having to deal with a different NR region if that has anything to with it?
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Perhaps a stupid question but.... Why not terminate at Wokingham if it's going there anyway? More helpful for passengers...
 
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swr444 said:
Looks like there are plans to clear the 458/4s to windsor and all the way to wokingham (for Bracknell terminators) and woking (for sunday woking via hounslow services).
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Sorry if I'm not keeping up here, but as 458s have historically been the mainstay of Reading services, what exactly needs clearing? They've not had any modifications that would alter the body cross section, have they?
 
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driverd said:
Sorry if I'm not keeping up here, but as 458s have historically been the mainstay of Reading services, what exactly needs clearing? They've not had any modifications that would alter the body cross section, have they?
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The yaw dampers which were re added i believe are the issue
 
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Siemens Staines said:
Thank you for this explanation. OTT maps shows a boundary dotted line between Earley and the connecting lines which is what led to my confusion. That must be the boundary between who controls the signals, as you describe, rather than whose territory it is. Is this why the DC platforms have a different TIPLOC to the rest of Reading station?

Back on topic. I notice that the Friday 5B39 from Wimbledon Park to Bournemouth is en-route. On alternate Fridays, 5B39 is usually the next 458/5 for Widnes. If so, then it must be 458502 because 458503 and 458519 are out elsewhere today. Of course it could be something other than a 458, so if someone could confirm then it would be much appreciated. Thank You.
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5B39 was a 455 today.
 
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Hello, does anyone know if this is a 458? Thanks
 

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Siemens Staines said:
It would appear that 458410 is the next 458/4 to enter passenger service

Realtime Trains | 2S45 1522 London Waterloo to Weybridge | 06/09/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S45 1522 departure from London Waterloo to Weybridge on 06/09/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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U.458410 was on 5Q90 11+18 Bournemouth Depot to Wimbledon Park Thursday and

U.458425 was on 5Z60 10+30 Eastleigh Works to Bournemouth Depot on Thursday.
 
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Seems there’s a 5Q95 1833 Eastleigh to Widnes Transport Tech Departing on 10th September 2024, anyone have clues? Thank you
 
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All 6 diagrams covered this morning so 12 units in traffic at the same time including a first outing for 458416, starting on 2S07.
 
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Perhaps a stupid question but.... Why not terminate at Wokingham if it's going there anyway? More helpful for passengers...
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Crew diagrams are currently as efficient as possible, namely guard diagrams.

Extending the diagram could be done by STP until the new timetable in December but for it to go LTP would require more guards.
 
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