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SWR Metro fleet permanent withdrawals

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Also the stock shortage has bitten big this week with far too many 4 car sets on busy services, including 2C55 Waterloo to Reading two days in a row...
Guessing this is due to "more trains than usual needing repairs" or something along those lines.
2C55 is one of the highest use peak services and is a known “problem train” for loadings, hence why it went over to 10-707 then 10-458.

For it to be 4 car is a disgrace. You think SWR have scraped the bottom of the barrel, but they always find a way to go lower.
 
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SWR still hasn't updated their website to state that the 707s are no longer in service - they're still in the "current fleet" section
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455917 has been withdrawn due to its corrosion not being a viable repair. It has helped 5723 return to service with the donation of parts.
Good that it's effectively one in one out there so hopefully shouldn't mean any additional short forms.

Is this something we're likely to see more of in the near future? Is the stock shortage on SWR likely to get worse before it gets better?
 

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Good that it's effectively one in one out there so hopefully shouldn't mean any additional short forms.

Is this something we're likely to see more of in the near future? Is the stock shortage on SWR likely to get worse before it gets better?
There's just one 458/5, 514, left to be taken out of service for conversion. After that I suppose it's just a case of waiting for 455s to fall apart and the remaining 458/5s to run out of miles. Plus, either on this thread or elsewhere it's been stated that the 450s are being worked very hard, so that's doubtless taking its toll.
 

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Thanks. I wonder when it will leave the network
If it's 455856 you mean here, then it returned to service about a week ago but only ran as 4 car and doesn't appear to be in service today. I wonder if it's motor is as loud as it was before its temporary hiatus from service or if that's what it was out of service for.
 

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If it's 455856 you mean here, then it returned to service about a week ago but only ran as 4 car and doesn't appear to be in service today. I wonder if it's motor is as loud as it was before its temporary hiatus from service or if that's what it was out of service for.
Ah right thanks for this information.
 

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Seen a 455 carriage on a lorry up in Scotland few days ago, anyone know where it was going?
 

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One of the driving coaches of 455904 returned from Kilmarnock yesterday, possibly that?
 

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What's the plan for the remaining 458/5s?
Are they being kept until they run out of miles?
 
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What's the plan for the remaining 458/5s?

A clue could be in the 701 roll-out programme published by SWR on their website on Thursday. That has the 0543 Shepperton diagram as the next diagram going over to 701 this month, and the 0659 Dorking to go over to 701 in March, so I am guessing that 458/5 will be gone by then? I guess that they could possibly move over to the old 707 diagram for a while, but that too is shown to go over to 701 in March.
 

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A clue could be in the 701 roll-out programme published by SWR on their website on Thursday. That has the 0543 Shepperton diagram as the next diagram going over to 701 this month, and the 0659 Dorking to go over to 701 in March, so I am guessing that 458/5 will be gone by then? I guess that they could possibly move over to the old 707 diagram for a while, but that too is shown to go over to 701 in March.
Could do with them back on a Reading diagram. One of the busiest trains in the AM peak, the 0709 from Reading, went from 10 458/5 to 8 455 several months ago, an overnight loss of 20% seating and overall capacity. We've got to wait until June for that to go over to 701.
 

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The short forms on SWR SWML yesterday evening were pretty bad. I was at Surbiton at around 9pm and observing the rammed fast trains passing through the station. Checking RTT's departures for yesterday (Saturday), 8 to 10pm at Waterloo

2000 WAT - PMH (via GLD) - 5-car
2035 WAT - WEY - 5-car
2042 WAT - BSK - 5-car
2050 WAT - SAL - 3-car
2100 WAT - PMH (via GLD) - 5-car
2109 WAT - PMH (via BSK) - 4-car
2112 WAT - BSK - 5-car
2135 WAT - WEY - 5-car
2145 WAT - PMH (via GLD) - 5-car

Bonus short forms not on SWML
2120 WAT - RDG - 4-car
2150 WAT - RDG - 5-car
 

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Quite a few of those are booked formations, only the 2000, 2100 and 2109 Portsmouth services of those are short formations.
There is some lengthening of mainline services from the December timetable change which will hopefully make a difference on some of the busiest short services.
 

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Quite a few of those are booked formations, only the 2000, 2100 and 2109 Portsmouth services of those are short formations.
There is some lengthening of mainline services from the December timetable change which will hopefully make a difference on some of the busiest short services.
Thanks for the info. I guess this is "managed" short form with their knowledge of available trains. This wasn't the case a year ago, I remember they were all at least 8-cars.

The one which was most thoroughly rammed was the 2109 4-car departure
 
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Has the diagram including 2F35 13:50 Waterloo to Woking gone over to 450 allocation now? I note it has been a 450 (ex 455) every day this week.

EDIT: Looks like it's been a 450 for a while now.

That diagram went over to 450 at the start of last week, using the 450s freed up by the 5th 701 diagram
 

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Has the diagram including 2F35 13:50 Waterloo to Woking gone over to 450 allocation now? I note it has been a 450 (ex 455) every day this week.

EDIT: Looks like it's been a 450 for a while now.
Funnily enough I was the guard for that! First time doing a Woking with one too.
 

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It’s crazy to think there are 455s running to Reading still but they’re replacing suburban 455 diagrams with 450s
On the face it yes, but to understand the bigger picture it would be helpful to know the start/finish location of both diagrams and consequently both the previous and next day's diagram details as well. There may be a good reason not obvious from the diagram(s) on the day concerned. Just a thought.
 

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On the face it yes, but to understand the bigger picture it would be helpful to know the start/finish location of both diagrams and consequently both the previous and next day's diagram details as well. There may be a good reason not obvious from the diagram(s) on the day concerned. Just a thought.
it did cross my mind, they could be coming from diagrams where the trains need to go to fratton or northam. I'll see if i can have a look tomorrow
 

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On the face it yes, but to understand the bigger picture it would be helpful to know the start/finish location of both diagrams and consequently both the previous and next day's diagram details as well. There may be a good reason not obvious from the diagram(s) on the day concerned. Just a thought.
The 13:50 Woking diagram begins at Woking on 2F08 and finishes there later in the evening on 2F71 with both originating and returning to the Up yard.
 

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The 13:50 Woking diagram begins at Woking on 2F08 and finishes there later in the evening on 2F71 with both originating and returning to the Up yard.
just had a look on genius and the diagram is NT515 and NT516, so they must get swapped out every now and then to go to NT.
 

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